As the judges have stated previously, they mark the dance off on that performance only and not previous performances. So as Matt was the better of the 2 on the night, it's right that they go with him in the dance off. 
PATHETIC *spoiler alert*
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Actually the judges only mark on the present performance when it suits them. I can recall more than one occasion when they have chosen based on a couple's POTENTIAL, PAST PERRFORMANCES etc. Their decisions appear to be based on different factors depending on what will give them their preferred outcome.
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“8 days ago an admirable attempt at objective judgment by Craig was shouted down. Fair play and impartiality was conclusively buried by the behaviour of Len, head of the panel charged with defending impartiality.
Letitia was the victim in the short term. The longterm victim will, surprisingly, be young Matt di Angelo. All future conversations with him and about him will come back to a minor incident fanned by Len into an airlift rescue mission at any cost. In the rush to action it was doubtful if voters foresaw the repercussions. Matt will carry a millstone round his neck, typecast as the 20-year-old object of pity, and the recipient of charitable rescue.”
“8 days ago an admirable attempt at objective judgment by Craig was shouted down. Fair play and impartiality was conclusively buried by the behaviour of Len, head of the panel charged with defending impartiality.
Letitia was the victim in the short term. The longterm victim will, surprisingly, be young Matt di Angelo. All future conversations with him and about him will come back to a minor incident fanned by Len into an airlift rescue mission at any cost. In the rush to action it was doubtful if voters foresaw the repercussions. Matt will carry a millstone round his neck, typecast as the 20-year-old object of pity, and the recipient of charitable rescue.”
If you don't mind my saying so, soulmate61, I think you might be overdramatizing things just a little here
Originally Posted by dogsdinner:
“Actually the judges only mark on the present performance when it suits them. I can recall more than one occasion when they have chosen based on a couple's POTENTIAL, PAST PERRFORMANCES etc. Their decisions appear to be based on different factors depending on what will give them their preferred outcome.”
“Actually the judges only mark on the present performance when it suits them. I can recall more than one occasion when they have chosen based on a couple's POTENTIAL, PAST PERRFORMANCES etc. Their decisions appear to be based on different factors depending on what will give them their preferred outcome.”
.....or perhaps, rather, when things are not cut and dried and they don't feel one contestant is clearly better overall than the other.
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“ Matt will carry a millstone round his neck, typecast as the 20-year-old object of pity, and the recipient of charitable rescue.”
“ Matt will carry a millstone round his neck, typecast as the 20-year-old object of pity, and the recipient of charitable rescue.”
Why will Matt be an object of pity? He is a brilliant dancer and his dancing excites me. He fully deserves to be in the final. Imho of course
And no I do not watch Eastenders nor am I a love struck teenager (not there is anything wrong with either of these). Also appreciate Alesha and Gethin.
Originally Posted by rita1:
“If you don't mind my saying so, soulmate61, I think you might be overdramatizing things just a little here”
“If you don't mind my saying so, soulmate61, I think you might be overdramatizing things just a little here
”
No - soulmate 61 is bang on the money.
What some posters seem to miss is that most Gethin fans' disappointment about what happened last night isn't driven by some silly, shallow 'I hate Matt' nonsense: it's a perfectly justified reaction to the BBC-generated hysteria about Matt's nerves that has snowballed all week, to the point where it has eclipsed the dancing.
I don't think last night was Gethin's finest hour: but it certainly wasn't Matt's either. The four 10s was just part of the week's silliness - he has put in better performances previously, but the judges decided to fuel the 'Matt's panic attack' soap opera further.
This, to me, isn't what SCD is about: sure, it has 'reality' elements, but it's supposed to be about the dancing (as Craig said before he drifted off to another planet).
Perhaps the judges might remember that in time for the final ...?
Originally Posted by jane-hen12:
“Totally agree.
The Rhyd fans are just HARSH. Leon had the public vote, and so got through. Like Alesha.
To be honest, the only reason i'm not happy about matt being through is because i feel sorry for him. It was clear the pressure was getting to him, and so there is still a chance he will humiliate himself next week.
As a Gethin And Rhyd fan...yesterday was NOT a good night
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“Totally agree.
The Rhyd fans are just HARSH. Leon had the public vote, and so got through. Like Alesha.
To be honest, the only reason i'm not happy about matt being through is because i feel sorry for him. It was clear the pressure was getting to him, and so there is still a chance he will humiliate himself next week.
As a Gethin And Rhyd fan...yesterday was NOT a good night
”
Sorry about Gethin. Fortunately (for me) I'm an Alesha fan. Found out Alesha was through and Rhyd lost at the exact same moment, didn't know whether to laugh or cry 
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“No - soulmate 61 is bang on the money.
What some posters seem to miss is that most Gethin fans' disappointment about what happened last night isn't driven by some silly, shallow 'I hate Matt' nonsense: it's a perfectly justified reaction to the BBC-generated hysteria about Matt's nerves that has snowballed all week, to the point where it has eclipsed the dancing.”
“No - soulmate 61 is bang on the money.
What some posters seem to miss is that most Gethin fans' disappointment about what happened last night isn't driven by some silly, shallow 'I hate Matt' nonsense: it's a perfectly justified reaction to the BBC-generated hysteria about Matt's nerves that has snowballed all week, to the point where it has eclipsed the dancing.”
I don't agree with this. Matt's meltdown was practically ignored on ITT on Monday and Tuesday and it was only really mentioned a couple of times and when he himself was being interviewed. Surely they should have spoken about it
it did happen.
The decision to have a dance off with only three couples left was always going to end in controversy in my opinion.
Regardless of who was eliminated, their supporters would have found fault with it.
I really think that it should have been entirely down to the votes cast by the public at this stage in the competition with the lowest scoring couple eliminated. There is much less scope for the "fix" allegations etc.
The judges can be accused of overmarking certain couples in order to boost the scores of those they think are not as popular with the public. Len and Bruno have consistently overmarked every week and an argument can be made that a bit of tactical marking might have come into the equation last night.
Another thing, it's never a good idea to let us know who is winning the competition. Will Alesha's fans vote next week or assume she's already won?. Will Matt's fans vote more and more to try to catch her up?. It takes the competition away from the dance to a certain extent and that's not good.
I think it's only fair that Alesha made the final as she has been consistently very good all through the competition. Personally I would have preferred to see Gethin in the final too as I enjoy watching him dance more than Matt. I don't know why but he always seems as if he's enjoying it more and that can sometimes make all the difference.
All the same, I do like Matt and Flavia and hope they are at their best next week. If they are we could see some great dancing from both couples and see the most evenly matched final I can remember.
Regardless of who was eliminated, their supporters would have found fault with it.
I really think that it should have been entirely down to the votes cast by the public at this stage in the competition with the lowest scoring couple eliminated. There is much less scope for the "fix" allegations etc.
The judges can be accused of overmarking certain couples in order to boost the scores of those they think are not as popular with the public. Len and Bruno have consistently overmarked every week and an argument can be made that a bit of tactical marking might have come into the equation last night.
Another thing, it's never a good idea to let us know who is winning the competition. Will Alesha's fans vote next week or assume she's already won?. Will Matt's fans vote more and more to try to catch her up?. It takes the competition away from the dance to a certain extent and that's not good.
I think it's only fair that Alesha made the final as she has been consistently very good all through the competition. Personally I would have preferred to see Gethin in the final too as I enjoy watching him dance more than Matt. I don't know why but he always seems as if he's enjoying it more and that can sometimes make all the difference.
All the same, I do like Matt and Flavia and hope they are at their best next week. If they are we could see some great dancing from both couples and see the most evenly matched final I can remember.
Yes, I'm extremely uneasy at knowing who was ahead - as much as Alesha's fans are ECSTATIC to know that they succeeded in getting her through, it's certainly a double edged sword.
I told Gethin fans to put a couple of votes in for Matt, as Gethin's survival relied on him coming first and Matt second in the public vote, and Gethin fans got upset, whilst Alesha fans went crazy and the thread got closed.
Originally Posted by mlvcr:
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Another thing, it's never a good idea to let us know who is winning the competition. Will Alesha's fans vote next week or assume she's already won?. Will Matt's fans vote more and more to try to catch her up?. It takes the competition away from the dance to a certain extent and that's not good.
All the same, I do like Matt and Flavia and hope they are at their best next week. If they are we could see some great dancing from both couples and see the most evenly matched final I can remember.”
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Another thing, it's never a good idea to let us know who is winning the competition. Will Alesha's fans vote next week or assume she's already won?. Will Matt's fans vote more and more to try to catch her up?. It takes the competition away from the dance to a certain extent and that's not good.
All the same, I do like Matt and Flavia and hope they are at their best next week. If they are we could see some great dancing from both couples and see the most evenly matched final I can remember.
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Matt received more votes than Alesha last week and vice versa this week. So I dont think the winner is a done deal, far from it ! Gethins spare votes <if any> may switch to either and next week the public vote can completely reverse the judges scoreboard.
It`s now in the publics hands <at last>!
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“No -
This, to me, isn't what SCD is about: sure, it has 'reality' elements, but it's supposed to be about the dancing (as Craig said before he drifted off to another planet).
Perhaps the judges might remember that in time for the final ...?”
“No -
This, to me, isn't what SCD is about: sure, it has 'reality' elements, but it's supposed to be about the dancing (as Craig said before he drifted off to another planet).
Perhaps the judges might remember that in time for the final ...?”
Well it was obviously about the dancing
Matt danced better than Gethin on the night
I'm getting pretty sick and tired of all this. I never seen so many BAD LOSERS in my life - some people seriously need to get out more.
Originally Posted by KDee:
“Well it was obviously about the dancing
Matt danced better than Gethin on the night
I'm getting pretty sick and tired of all this. I never seen so many BAD LOSERS in my life - some people seriously need to get out more.”
“Well it was obviously about the dancing
Matt danced better than Gethin on the night
I'm getting pretty sick and tired of all this. I never seen so many BAD LOSERS in my life - some people seriously need to get out more.”
If you look at all the posters on this subject, it would appear that there are many different opinions on the matter of who danced best. For me, it was Alesha who deserved four tens.
Personally, none of this is about being a bad loser - it's about the BBC hijacking one contestant's poor performance one week and milking it for all it's worth to the ridiculous extent we saw last night. THAT is what has soured SCD.
And, mintchocchip, with the greatest respect, mentions of Matt's mishaps grew acros the week in ITT - that's what I meant when I said it had snowballed. I'm not suggesting it should have been forgotten - but instead it was hyped up to such a ridiculous extent that it dominated things more and more.
Then again, all they will care about is the ratings - especially as this week's semi coincided with the X Factor final ...
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“
And, mintchocchip, with the greatest respect, mentions of Matt's mishaps grew acros the week in ITT - that's what I meant when I said it had snowballed. I'm not suggesting it should have been forgotten - but instead it was hyped up to such a ridiculous extent that it dominated things more and more.
Then again, all they will care about is the ratings - especially as this week's semi coincided with the X Factor final ...”
“
And, mintchocchip, with the greatest respect, mentions of Matt's mishaps grew acros the week in ITT - that's what I meant when I said it had snowballed. I'm not suggesting it should have been forgotten - but instead it was hyped up to such a ridiculous extent that it dominated things more and more.
Then again, all they will care about is the ratings - especially as this week's semi coincided with the X Factor final ...
”
With all respect to you too, perhaps that is so...I missed bits of ITT towards the end of this week. However, I would argue that most of the viewers of Strictly only watch it on a Saturday, therefore were not party to the hype you speak of. Further to this, the viewers did not vote Matt through in the end, so the 'hype' had no effect on his votes, he still was in the bottom two.
Agree with your last sentence.
Originally Posted by dogsdinner:
“Actually the judges only mark on the present performance when it suits them. I can recall more than one occasion when they have chosen based on a couple's POTENTIAL, PAST PERRFORMANCES etc. Their decisions appear to be based on different factors depending on what will give them their preferred outcome.”
“Actually the judges only mark on the present performance when it suits them. I can recall more than one occasion when they have chosen based on a couple's POTENTIAL, PAST PERRFORMANCES etc. Their decisions appear to be based on different factors depending on what will give them their preferred outcome.”
A lot depends on who's involved in the dance off as well
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“If you look at all the posters on this subject, it would appear that there are many different opinions on the matter of who danced best. For me, it was Alesha who deserved four tens.”
“If you look at all the posters on this subject, it would appear that there are many different opinions on the matter of who danced best. For me, it was Alesha who deserved four tens.”
The fact that the judges went overboard with the marking for his waltz doesn't detract from his waltz though. Irrespective of the marking, do you think Gethin outdanced Matt yesterday?
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“And, mintchocchip, with the greatest respect, mentions of Matt's mishaps grew acros the week in ITT - that's what I meant when I said it had snowballed. I'm not suggesting it should have been forgotten - but instead it was hyped up to such a ridiculous extent that it dominated things more and more.”
“And, mintchocchip, with the greatest respect, mentions of Matt's mishaps grew acros the week in ITT - that's what I meant when I said it had snowballed. I'm not suggesting it should have been forgotten - but instead it was hyped up to such a ridiculous extent that it dominated things more and more.”
Yes, that was ridiculous. All of Matt's fans were quite disgusted with the negativity on ITT and the amount his messup the week before was constantly mentioned.
There is no way that Matt was better than Gethin, for a number of weeks Matt has been a poor dancer and has rode his luck; often acting like a spoilt child when given criticism or poor marks.
Gethin has conducted himself with perfect dignity and decorum that befits a true gentleman, unlike Matt.
How on earth can the BBC be allowed to con voters for the final three contestants, when at the end of the day it came to the judges decision anyway. From the general consensus on all forums it would seem that the public vote for Gethin far outnumbered that for Matt, again giving rise to the fact that on these type of shows we will never truly find out the true winner, but that which the organisers want to win.
CYMRU AM BYTH
Gethin has conducted himself with perfect dignity and decorum that befits a true gentleman, unlike Matt.
How on earth can the BBC be allowed to con voters for the final three contestants, when at the end of the day it came to the judges decision anyway. From the general consensus on all forums it would seem that the public vote for Gethin far outnumbered that for Matt, again giving rise to the fact that on these type of shows we will never truly find out the true winner, but that which the organisers want to win.
CYMRU AM BYTH
Originally Posted by LILLYM73:
“There is no way that Matt was better than Gethin, for a number of weeks Matt has been a poor dancer and has rode his luck; often acting like a spoilt child when given criticism or poor marks.
Gethin has conducted himself with perfect dignity and decorum that befits a true gentleman, unlike Matt.
How on earth can the BBC be allowed to con voters for the final three contestants, when at the end of the day it came to the judges decision anyway. From the general consensus on all forums it would seem that the public vote for Gethin far outnumbered that for Matt, again giving rise to the fact that on these type of shows we will never truly find out the true winner, but that which the organisers want to win.
CYMRU AM BYTH”
“There is no way that Matt was better than Gethin, for a number of weeks Matt has been a poor dancer and has rode his luck; often acting like a spoilt child when given criticism or poor marks.
Gethin has conducted himself with perfect dignity and decorum that befits a true gentleman, unlike Matt.
How on earth can the BBC be allowed to con voters for the final three contestants, when at the end of the day it came to the judges decision anyway. From the general consensus on all forums it would seem that the public vote for Gethin far outnumbered that for Matt, again giving rise to the fact that on these type of shows we will never truly find out the true winner, but that which the organisers want to win.
CYMRU AM BYTH”
Well file an official complaint with the beeb a lot of us have already. The more of a stink we can kick up the better
I think no matter who went out last night their fans would be devestated...
Yes I'm a Gethin fan... Yes I REALLY thought Gethin performed better then Matt... Yes I'm devested that he's gone... Yes at the moment I feel like the competition is a little more dull without him... But then again the Kelly fans feel the same as me about Kelly, the Kate fans probably feel the same... Right now all Gethin fans are going to be upset... But we'll get over it... We might not want to see the final that would be our loose.... I watch Mobile Act Unsigned and my fav group was voted out today (really bad weekend for me) but I'll get over it... Its only a TV programme after all, its not like Gethin or Matt will make a living of dancing so it really isn't that important (unlike Unsigned)...
The fact that some Matt fans think that ALL Gethin fans are against Matt because Matt is still in and Gethin isn't is making it worse... And the small minority of Gethin fans that are acting silly because he's left... But all the couples have these kinds of fans and its not the majority of the fans... Right now the Gethin fans that know he's out are going to be upset, and being told we have to get over it isn't going to help...
Sorry for the rant... Just feel like I needed to say it... I would like to point out I will vote (if I watch the final) for whoever I liked, more likely to be Matt because I've enjoyed more of his dances... But you never know, also I don't mean ALL Matt fans...
Yes I'm a Gethin fan... Yes I REALLY thought Gethin performed better then Matt... Yes I'm devested that he's gone... Yes at the moment I feel like the competition is a little more dull without him... But then again the Kelly fans feel the same as me about Kelly, the Kate fans probably feel the same... Right now all Gethin fans are going to be upset... But we'll get over it... We might not want to see the final that would be our loose.... I watch Mobile Act Unsigned and my fav group was voted out today (really bad weekend for me
) but I'll get over it... Its only a TV programme after all, its not like Gethin or Matt will make a living of dancing so it really isn't that important (unlike Unsigned)...The fact that some Matt fans think that ALL Gethin fans are against Matt because Matt is still in and Gethin isn't is making it worse... And the small minority of Gethin fans that are acting silly because he's left... But all the couples have these kinds of fans and its not the majority of the fans... Right now the Gethin fans that know he's out are going to be upset, and being told we have to get over it isn't going to help...
Sorry for the rant... Just feel like I needed to say it... I would like to point out I will vote (if I watch the final) for whoever I liked, more likely to be Matt because I've enjoyed more of his dances... But you never know, also I don't mean ALL Matt fans...
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“If you look at all the posters on this subject, it would appear that there are many different opinions on the matter of who danced best. For me, it was Alesha who deserved four tens.
Personally, none of this is about being a bad loser - it's about the BBC hijacking one contestant's poor performance one week and milking it for all it's worth to the ridiculous extent we saw last night. THAT is what has soured SCD.
And, mintchocchip, with the greatest respect, mentions of Matt's mishaps grew acros the week in ITT - that's what I meant when I said it had snowballed. I'm not suggesting it should have been forgotten - but instead it was hyped up to such a ridiculous extent that it dominated things more and more.
Then again, all they will care about is the ratings - especially as this week's semi coincided with the X Factor final ...”
“If you look at all the posters on this subject, it would appear that there are many different opinions on the matter of who danced best. For me, it was Alesha who deserved four tens.
Personally, none of this is about being a bad loser - it's about the BBC hijacking one contestant's poor performance one week and milking it for all it's worth to the ridiculous extent we saw last night. THAT is what has soured SCD.
And, mintchocchip, with the greatest respect, mentions of Matt's mishaps grew acros the week in ITT - that's what I meant when I said it had snowballed. I'm not suggesting it should have been forgotten - but instead it was hyped up to such a ridiculous extent that it dominated things more and more.
Then again, all they will care about is the ratings - especially as this week's semi coincided with the X Factor final ...
”
But its only some peoples opinion - not everyones. And the judges have their opinion and in ALL competion - their word is final.
YAY GETHIN WENT OUT!!!!!!!
Never really like him, Matt and Alesha are sooo much better dancers.
**Prepares to be hit**
Never really like him, Matt and Alesha are sooo much better dancers.
**Prepares to be hit**
Originally Posted by Kaos:
“The fact that some Matt fans think that ALL Gethin fans are against Matt because Matt is still in and Gethin isn't is making it worse... And the small minority of Gethin fans that are acting silly because he's left... But all the couples have these kinds of fans and its not the majority of the fans... Right now the Gethin fans that know he's out are going to be upset, and being told we have to get over it isn't going to help...
Sorry for the rant... Just feel like I needed to say it... I would like to point out I will vote (if I watch the final) for whoever I liked, more likely to be Matt because I've enjoyed more of his dances... But you never know, also I don't mean ALL Matt fans...”
“The fact that some Matt fans think that ALL Gethin fans are against Matt because Matt is still in and Gethin isn't is making it worse... And the small minority of Gethin fans that are acting silly because he's left... But all the couples have these kinds of fans and its not the majority of the fans... Right now the Gethin fans that know he's out are going to be upset, and being told we have to get over it isn't going to help...
Sorry for the rant... Just feel like I needed to say it... I would like to point out I will vote (if I watch the final) for whoever I liked, more likely to be Matt because I've enjoyed more of his dances... But you never know, also I don't mean ALL Matt fans...”
Yes this is the problem isn't it? It's the minority who act immature that ruin it for the majority of each's fans.
I'm a Matt fan and I don't think all Gethin fans are acting like that and you have my sympathies, he's a great dancer and I don't blame you for being upset.
Some of the vitriol and whinging from some fans however (of all three groups of fans), is very disappointing to read.
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