OKay listen up before you moan at me.

Sorry if this appears to be a dumb question but how is Gethin clearly the public fave ?

I'm a Gethin fan by the way
Last edited by Joanne MA : 16-12-2007 at 10:13

Um.. you might want a spoiler warning for this one

How do you know?

You can work the mathematics out from previous weeks. It is my job to work stats/logic/patterns and to me its obvious.

Hahaha....you make me laugh ^^^^ how do you know that??

That's a load of rubbish, you can't be 100% accurate and I believe that this person tooped the public vote last night



If Gethin was the favourite then how come >>

It may be 'obvious' to you...but you cannot prove it.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Gethin could have come first, second or third in the public vote. Alesha could have come first or second and Matt second or third. We don't know any more than that.

Having said that, I do disagree with a system that could potentially eliminate the most popular contestant.

llarge fan base
never been in dance off
bookie insider favourite

believe me this person was public favourite. Wait to see wwhen they are published.

It makes the competition a mockery. ANd the BBC are to blame. and the judges.

Nothing thus far in this series has suggested that there's a definite pattern to the voting - cf. Kate and Kenny avoiding the bottom 2 for ages then suddenly being there. You're just assuming Gethin topped the public vote based on him never being in the bottom 2, but maybe all along he avoided the bottom 2 because people voted for him as he was often in danger? Suddenly he started topping the leaderboard and like Alesha's fans/supporters his fans may have become complacent, especially during the week when die hard fans do a lot of repeat panic-voting.

We know for a fact that Alesha got more votes than Matt in week 6 (when he was in the bottom 2) and last night, but Matt got more votes than she did last week. If there was a definite pattern this should not have happened.

I've voted at least once for Alesha every week, but I've put in more votes for her in some weeks, depending on my perception of her "safety." I won't be surprised if this applies to the GBP. In fact I voted for John Barnes Foxtrot/Paso week as I knew Alesha wasn't going to drop into the bottom 2 from her position of 1st out of 10.

Something else - Gethin's seemingly large fanbase was made up of a lot of people switching their allegiances from people like Kelly and Kenny. These people had put energy and money into their favourites before they left, and although Gethin was their new favourite, they may not have been as invested as they were with Kelly, say, unlike A&M fans who may not have greatly increased in number but have stayed faithful and were passionate enough about them to vote like mad this week.

Voting patterns change- to me last night showed up the weaknesses in Gethin's "improvement". Maybe some other voters agreed? Just a thought

The abbot is clearly correct.

First, can we not use spoiler tags in a thread that is titled "spoilers"? It just makes it more time consuming to read.

Your posts everywhere reek of bitterness, the_abott, because your favourite was booted out. However convinced YOU may be that Gethin topped the public vote, we can't be sure - he could equally have been at the bottom. Saying that Gethin was the public's favourite based on previous weeks is weak - plenty of people who voted for him in previous weeks may have been floating voters, who didn't vote for him today because he didn't impress them. You can post all sorts of reasons why you think that Gethin topped the public vote but we can't be sure. So it's pointless basing an argument on something that we don't know is fact. When we have stats from the BBC that says that Gethin topped the public vote, then yes, your argument would be valid.

I agree that the system of a dance-off in the semi-finals is stupid because that the person with the highest public vote can be kicked out. But this was something that has been true all week, yet you couldn't see a single person that was complaining about it. It could equally have happened to Matt, or Alesha, if they were bottom of the leaderboard tonight, yet frankly I can't see any of Matt's or Alesha's fans in the forum yelling "fix!" to this extent about it if that had happened.

Also, how on earth is Matthew Culter a 'far better' winner than Flavia? I think both of them (as well as Camilla was) a deserving winner of the title. This perplexes me.

I think we can dispense with spoiler tags now the title has been amended.

The trouble is, these televotes rarely make 'sense' and often seem almost quite random. The fact is we don't know for certain how it went last night.

Great post - am loving your maths work The abbott and I so agree with you.

Matt Cutler has done some excellent work with ALesha. EVert week it looks natural. Last nights AT for Matt and Flavia was crap. Matt did nothing at all and Flavia is the world champion.

ANd I'm not bitter in the way your suggesting. If you read I am talking about the BBC, the dance off and the judges. I have not said I blame Matt or Alesha have I?

Yes my favourite has gone out and I think your'll find I am correct. and when its proved I will let you know.

can you post the leaderboard of the public vote from the previous weeks if you can work it out then?

I think if we're investing so much money in voting for these contestants we deserve to know the truth

Yes, if you get the stats do let me know because I am absolutely fine with your argument if it is.

I still don't see how Matthew is 'far better' than Flavia though. The fact is Flavia too has done excellent work with Matt (salsa anyone?) and although I do agree that their AT was disappointing it doesn't negate anything Flavia has done.

By the way, I agree that we cannot be certain about who topped the public vote last night. I'm a psychologist and I use statistics as a matter of course in my work, however, because we don't have enough facts you cannot be 100% who the public favourite was . Based on the OP's logic, Matt should have been the public favourite as he must have topped the public vote last week. It changes every week. We said it before, because the judges have now the power to rule who goes and stays, it was always going to be a tough and contentious decision, but it wasn't a fix.

But imagine if its oublished and it showed Gethin way up top? The BBC would get loads of angry customers writing in. I don't think they will

Matt and Wet Geth were in dance off. Wet Geth deemed worse than Matt. Whats the problem? Oh, your bitterness.

Here's my question. How can the public have such a wet and dull favourite such as wet Geth? Dreary me what a drip he was.

Matt was second last week behind Gethin. Alesha was third which is how she ended up in the dance off she tied with Matt but he had teh public vote to go through.

Thanks for the very constructive addition to the argument.