You cannot use those statistics! If last week's result would be the same as this one, then Matt should've beaten Alesha - and it's a fact that he didn't. In fact, if you want to use statistics, consider this. Last week, Matt was top of the public vote. This week, Alesha was higher than Matt. If you really want to argue statistics, then statistically, that would suggest an Alesha-Matt-Gethin leaderboard. It makes more sense for Alesha to be top of the public vote, because she WAS the best dance on the night. And being the best dancer on the night means that you swing floating voters to vote for you. Gethin was the worst dancer so wouldn't have caused floating voters to vote for him, but he wasn't bad enough to get the sympathy vote. All you have is the die hard fans.

Alesha could well have topped the public vote if other people behaved as I did : before this week, no votes for anybody, this week 50 votes for Alesha.

Surely if Alesha got through on the public vote, that means she got more votes, or am I missing something lol.

Judges scores:
Alesha - 3
Matt - 2
Gethin - 1

Possible scores w/public:
Alesha - 2
Matt - 1
Gethin - 3

Alesha - 3
Matt - 2
Gethin - 1

Alesha - 3
Matt - 1
Gethin - 2

Note that if Matt topped public vote he would have been safe so it seems unlikely he did very well with the public this week.

I think if it had been down to the public then Gethin would have won the vote last night with Alesha going through as second. I was talking today to a friend who works in the theatre and she said that if she were to choose a dancer for a show and she had either Matt or Gethin to choose from she would choose Gethin. The reason being - he is a good dancer, reliable (meaning he would perform and get through the routine), hard working. She would not have chosen Matt because he is hit and miss, unreliable as a performer, she said she wouldn't be sure if on the night he would remember his routine or if he would bottle it. She said you would want the person who is best for the role (Gethin) who would not jeapardise the production and unfortunately that would be Matt. She couldn't understand 2 theatre choreographers choosing an unreliable person over a good one. To me this makes sense even in a ballroom competition you would surely only enter or be put through if you could be relied upon to do a good job? Same with football or tennis you only put through the player who is consistent and in form. Sorry if this went off track but the judges decisions have baffled me this series.

i think this is how the vote went.

4 methods could have decided last night's result:

1. The judges' leaderboard being academic (ignored) and the top 2 (Alesha +1) being decided 100% via the public vote

2. The judges' leaderboard scores and the public vote being combined with the top 2 (Alesha +1) going through (like previous years, no dance off)

3. The judge's leaderboard being academic and the top person (Alesha or Gethin) being decided by the public vote, and the 2nd person being chosen by the judges after a dance off

4. The system presently in place (Alesha & Matt through).

The general consensus is that the ideal method at this stage is method 1, but without voting figures we don't know for sure that the outcome would've been any different. I understand it's very frustrating for Gethin fans but we all knew this system was in place and took the risk by spending money on phone votes. I posted yesterday (before the show) that if Alesha was 3rd on the leaderboard she was toast, but even if she had been I would have gambled and voted, knowing my efforts would quite possibly be futile.

Alesha - 2
Matt - 1
Gethin - 3

I'm more inclined to think the public vote was this ... but you know what ... we'll never find out and there is nothing we can do about it now.

Good luck to them both in the final.

Exactly.

No-one knows anything for sure it`s a toss up between speculation and wishful thinking.

Exactly. I've never voted for anyone, but I voted 10X for Alesha last night, because she was in the dance off last week.

I bet many did the same.

But the voters can reverse the judge's order when there are 3 couples. Why not? Imagine that they get 3 + 1 = 2 + 2 = 1 + 3 and that ties are broken by the public vote.

Not necessarily. My friend who is an Alesha supporter said she didn't vote for her this week she voted for Gethin as she Knew in any dance off with the boys she would be chosen by the judges.

There's no reason why watching rubbish dancers would be more lucrative than watching good ones.

I really like the Kate & Anton double act, but it went on too long...

I agree many of the dancers at my dance school didnt vote last week because they thought Alesha a cert to got through I think her being in dance off last week made many more people vote for her

This is such a bizarre thread! It's based on the premise that Gethin was the public favourite. Er, just look at the Week 11 poll to see that Alesha was top, Gethin second and Matt third.

Admittedly, this is a forum for diehard SCD fans, and we all get a bit cranky about our favourites, but I bet the poll reflects public opinion and that Gethin was second favourite with the public last night.

On public opinion only, it would have been an Alesha/Gethin final, I admit.

I should add that I have voted just once each week (tight-fisted). I adopted a voting pattern that simply chose the best person on the night IMO. That means I have voted most weeks for Alesha, once for Gethin and once for Matt. That system changed yesterday, I can't remember how many times I hit that redial button - 15ish, I think - but I was worried that the popularity contest that is SCD could eliminate the best dancer in the show - Alesha.

Well there are a lot of people saying on here they did what I did, or that the multiplied their votes for Alesha this week (having voted for her previously)...

Absolutely!

If anyone was a certainty it was Alesha. The judges have all said or implied that she is the best dancer left in the competition. The uncertainties in the judges eyes last night were the boys so in any dance off against Alesha both boys would have lost.

No chance of me being able to work out how many votes I put in until the bill arrives - will "redial" do for now?


La Boheme said "I bet many did the same." Of course there are going to be exceptions, like your friend, but as I posted on the A&M thread before last night's show, the general feeling I got from several casual viewers I spoke to last week was one of shock at Alesha being in the bottom 2, a wish to see her in the final and a pledge to vote for her, often for the first time.

The only thing we DO know for definite is that Matt didn't poll the highest public vote.

Whether Alesha or Gethin polled the highest public vote we will never know

La Boheme - perhaps we are talking at cross purposes here? I'm certainly not saying there is any reason whatsoever that 'rubbish' dancers are more a more lucrative proposition than those with talent - but more popular dancers ARE!

If they happen to be the ones you consider 'rubbish', so be it - still don't see why it precludes the public from voting for them. What people find entertaining varies and I still think that if you are making the effort to vote and spending the money then you ought to get what you pay for.

I did exactly the same as your dance school people. I'd not voted once before but Alesha got 10 quids' worth of votes from me this week after the shock of seeing her in the dance-off last week.
Before that, I'd just assumed she would make the final and was saving up all my votes for next week.
Gethin *may* have been the public favourite, but it's just as - if not more - likely that Alesha was.
And there's no way we can know for definite which it was.

Which shows a fundamental flaw in the theory that the person with the most votes is the most popular and that popularity in that sense should prevail over the judges.

Of course, you can define "popularity" as "most votes" when multiple voting is involved, but that's not how people normally think. Instead, it's tacitly assumed that the winner had more people voting for them: that, if the involvement of multiple voting is remembered at all, it's similar enough for all of the contestants who matter that it doesn't make any difference to the result.

But what if twice as many people supported one of the losers in the public vote? Or 3 or 4 or 5 or more times as many people?

Surely SCD's not supposed to be about who has the most fanatical or deep-pocketed supporters!

Of course, the same applies to Matt being saved last week and to other results, since multiple voting might be what determined them.

It could have happened like this but I know alot of people who did the same with Gethin wanting it to be a Gethin/Alesha final and knowing that the judges would put Alesha through over Matt without doubt. So I know a few Alesha fans who voted for Gethin because Alesha was a dead cert.

Which I believe happened last year with Emma/Mark and Matt.