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Matt was REWARDED for having a bad week last week |
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I think Matt danced better than Gethin tonight. Last week was last week. As the judges said on ITT throughout the week, they all have had times like that but what you do is move on, that is in the past.
I do feel that Matt was greatly encouraged by the vote of confidence he was given by the public. |
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The judges really shouldn't have had any say in who was eliminated this week. It was silly with there only being 3 people in the semis, and pretty well ensured whoever finished last would be in the dance-off, and that anyone dancing against Aleisha would go out. A public vote might've risked Aleisha going out (though probably not, as she was in the dance-off last week), but at least it would've meant votes were actually meaningful and would've avoided the contrived feeling of this week. If only, as you say, they weren't so paranoid about controlling the result.
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Even Craig said...
... his 10 was based on Matt not messing up.
Just on tenterhooks to see if he'd get through. Not good enough IMHO. Gethin sadly had a not-so-gr8-week whilst all this was going on.
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... his 10 was based on Matt not messing up.
Just on tenterhooks to see if he'd get through. Not good enough IMHO. Gethin sadly had a not-so-gr8-week whilst all this was going on. ![]() |
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On Sunday...
That's when Craig explained his voting.
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It's not that I didn't like Matt's waltz, in fact I loved it, but the '10' from Craig seemed somehow arbitrary and I'm not sure he's yet managed to convince anyone why he scored it.
Also, for me, the judges picked the wrong dance of the night as the weakest dance. Surely Matt's extremely nervous, hesitant AT was several marks poorer than Gethin's rather maligned paso, which was at least an extremely efficient performance of the dance? |
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That's when Craig explained his voting.
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Good point, Paperbag...
Did NOT like the Gethin paso.
Hideous opening. But he did a good job with poor material. Surely not his fault???? Camilla's daft idea? Therefore worthy of higher marks for execution despite artistic imperfection? |
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That's when Craig explained his voting.
Total doublestandards-bet if Emma Bunton had been in the dance off against Matt it might have been a different outcome. Favouritism is outrageous
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Did NOT like the Gethin paso.
Hideous opening. But he did a good job with poor material. Surely not his fault???? Camilla's daft idea? Therefore worthy of higher marks for execution despite artistic imperfection? His Paso is more than 'weird' choreography: * Bad banana hands (at times), * Wrong/bizarre posture (butt should be sticking out all the time for the Flemenco posture) * Not very impressive cape work. Eights and nines maybe, definitely not a ten. |
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I quite liked the paso, seeing the clips of it again
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... his 10 was based on Matt not messing up.
Just on tenterhooks to see if he'd get through. Not good enough IMHO. Gethin sadly had a not-so-gr8-week whilst all this was going on. ![]() This was what Craig said: Well I was (impressed to have given Matt a 10). Matt pulled it out of the bag, actually. I didn't expect him to get through the routine, LET ALONE MASTERED THE WALTZ, to be honest. Matt, we know as judges, is a talented dancer it's only those nerves things that flummoxed him. Judge for yourself if he gave Matt a ten because he simply got through the routine.
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It's not that I didn't like Matt's waltz, in fact I loved it, but the '10' from Craig seemed somehow arbitrary and I'm not sure he's yet managed to convince anyone why he scored it.
Also, for me, the judges picked the wrong dance of the night as the weakest dance. Surely Matt's extremely nervous, hesitant AT was several marks poorer than Gethin's rather maligned paso, which was at least an extremely efficient performance of the dance? But with regards to Matt's AT: it was far more AT content in 30 seconds than Gethin's entire AT sequence. Matt coped with it really well and the lifts Matt has done for the AT are far more sharp and precise (esp. the last one) than Gethin's. And I agreed with the overall score of Gethin's Paso (though I don't agree with Len's ten). |
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Did NOT like the Gethin paso.
Hideous opening. But he did a good job with poor material. Surely not his fault???? Camilla's daft idea? Therefore worthy of higher marks for execution despite artistic imperfection? I also thought Camilla didn't look particularly sharp in the AT so perhaps it's not her dance, which may have affected what she felt able to choreograph. Either way, I don't think the actual technical content of Gethin's routines was worthy of a place in the final - but I am prepared to be shot down
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Yes, Craig didn't explain very well why he gave a ten. He was 'sold', that's all he said.
But with regards to Matt's AT: it was far more AT content in 30 seconds than Gethin's entire AT sequence. Matt coped with it really well and the lifts Matt has done for the AT are far more sharp and precise (esp. the last one) than Gethin's. And I agreed with the overall score of Gethin's Paso (though I don't agree with Len's ten). |
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Flavia was the best female AT dancer...
And what a surprise THAT was!!!
True - but you can't judge Alesha by the same yardstick as La Flavia. Or even La Cam. Don't think it fair that the AT had to be performed by all at this stage... |
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I wondered about the routines Gethin was doing - while I think he was his own undoing in the paso, the AT simply looked content-free compared to the others.
I also thought Camilla didn't look particularly sharp in the AT so perhaps it's not her dance, which may have affected what she felt able to choreograph. Either way, I don't think the actual technical content of Gethin's routines was worthy of a place in the final - but I am prepared to be shot down ![]()
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It may be that the AT is a harder dance for a layperson to judge - and Len hardly gives us much insight with his 'sweaty gaucho' spiel
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No, Alesha went for kill. Secada (lots, and she did it quite well), Gaucho (sp?) etc.. Just a little story telling in the beginning not AT, but full of it as well...
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That's how it seemed to me - all the judges did was praise him for his "comeback" so essentially he was rewarded for doing badly last week with overmarking this week.
It's like when you were in school and the naughty kids were sent to Alton Towers as a treat for being well behaved for most of term when all the good pupils are left behind in lessons with piles of homework. |
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That's how it seemed to me - all the judges did was praise him for his "comeback" so essentially he was rewarded for doing badly last week with overmarking this week.
It's like when you were in school and the naughty kids were sent to Alton Towers as a treat for being well behaved for most of term when all the good pupils are left behind in lessons with piles of homework. |
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Exactly it is a no contest now. I didn't think Matt would stand a chance of beating Aleesha but Gethin could hsve beaten her-had he been given the chance
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If responses in this thread are a guide, the person who was most rewarded was Alesha, since she'll gain from all the resentment swirling around Matt.
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Absolutely, I have directed most of my venom towards the judges and the Beeb. Only thinh I have said about Matt was that overall he is a weaker dancer who is overmarked
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Most of the resentment is against the judges and the firm though
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