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Why Rhydian lost
Three reasons why Rhydian lost despite being odds on favourite to win this year...
Choice of songs for the final - O Holy Night, Somewhere, and You Raise Me Up. All a bit too Churchy, too Welsh Male Voice Choir.. If you were to buy a Rhydian album, it would be to hear his amazing voice taking on Get The Party Started and Go West, not the faux-opera standards which sound dull in comparison. Who watches X Factor and buys albums by Katherine Jenkins? Secondly, Leon's perfomance with Kylie was TV Gold. A fantastic performance... Thrirdly- and the most damning of all, they replayed Rhydian's origial auditions where he came acros as slimey, smarmy and egotistical. It reminded viewers of how they disliked him in the early days before the makeover of the the white hair and high camp that Danii created for him. |
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Rhydian wanted to do one upbeat song in the final but was told no, so he had to do what he was told to do.
I think a lot of Rhydian fans wanted to see him reprise one of his showy numbers .... he has said that he really enjoyed doing I Would Do Anything For Love ... that would have been a better one to do rather than all ballads. The Kylie factor may have played a part, I don't know. I agree about the VT footage from the auditions. Yes show bits of his audition, I have no problem with them showing the bits where he sung, and even some of the things he said, but I thought it was a bit insensitive to show Dannii putting her fingers down her thoat and Sharron saying he's repulsive whilst wringing her hands together. I mean the lad was standing on stage on national TV in front of millions when the showed him that again. His parents were interviewed on a radio programme today and his mum said she felt awful having to watch that again, knowing how much it had upset them and Rhydian when it was originally shown. Louis Walsh was also on the same radio interview and he said that it was Leon's VT of his sob story that probably swung a lot of the voters. |
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I think because Leon was the better performer on the night
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Three reasons why Rhydian lost despite being odds on favourite to win this year...
Choice of songs for the final - O Holy Night, Somewhere, and You Raise Me Up. All a bit too Churchy, too Welsh Male Voice Choir.. If you were to buy a Rhydian album, it would be to hear his amazing voice taking on Get The Party Started and Go West, not the faux-opera standards which sound dull in comparison. Who watches X Factor and buys albums by Katherine Jenkins? Secondly, Leon's perfomance with Kylie was TV Gold. A fantastic performance... Thrirdly- and the most damning of all, they replayed Rhydian's origial auditions where he came acros as slimey, smarmy and egotistical. It reminded viewers of how they disliked him in the early days before the makeover of the the white hair and high camp that Danii created for him. cant agree that leons performance was tv gold. And on rhydians album, i would expect there to be some 'showman' songs, but IMO, i think that the more serious performances were the ones he was most passionate about. The fact that none were included in the fianl may have cost him votes, but you could see after he had performed the finale songs that he loved what he was singing. Especially o'holy night, which was IMO divine. Maybe his best of the series. |
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Three reasons why Rhydian lost despite being odds on favourite to win this year...
Choice of songs for the final - O Holy Night, Somewhere, and You Raise Me Up. All a bit too Churchy, too Welsh Male Voice Choir.. If you were to buy a Rhydian album, it would be to hear his amazing voice taking on Get The Party Started and Go West, not the faux-opera standards which sound dull in comparison. Who watches X Factor and buys albums by Katherine Jenkins? Secondly, Leon's perfomance with Kylie was TV Gold. A fantastic performance... Thrirdly- and the most damning of all, they replayed Rhydian's origial auditions where he came acros as slimey, smarmy and egotistical. It reminded viewers of how they disliked him in the early days before the makeover of the the white hair and high camp that Danii created for him. |
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Face the FACT, He lost because on the night LEON was the better man and put in the better performances , Leon has been underestimated by many Rhydian fans.
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I think because Leon was the better performer on the night
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Face the FACT, He lost because on the night LEON was the better man and put in the better performances, Leon has been underestimated by many Rhydian fans.
If we're going to talk about facing FACTS, you don't have to look further than at the general reaction to Leon's victory (though I hesitate to use that word for what the poor little mite is already being subjected to and what he is yet to be subjected to). |
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I think because Leon was the better performer on the night
![]() A better performer in crying on the VT's maybe (I still cant stop laughing remembering him blubbering over that Hindu booklet! Funnier than the fat girl on the throne!!) |
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I think Rhydian lost because he couldn't better his first 4 weeks. He peaked too early. Some of those earlier performances should have been kept until the later weeks. He never did have a poor week, but I'm wondering if some viewers got a little bored of him.
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A better performer in crying on the VT's maybe (I still cant stop laughing remembering him blubbering over that Hindu booklet! Funnier than the fat girl on the throne!!)
He really is a pathetic little individual and all this trying to be nice and reasonable is starting to get on my raisins. OK, I'll be honest now. I hope he disappears asap. |
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Face the FACT, He lost because on the night LEON was the better man and put in the better performances, Leon has been underestimated by many Rhydian fans.
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He lost I believe because he became an 'ordinary' singer of classic songs. He doesn't have the voice & vocal range to really excel at this stuff & give it a 'wow' moment. I posted this earlier on another thread.
Rhydian is the best vocalist & was way ahead with a few shows to go but it went downhill for him. Why?? My opinion is that Rhydian the showman destined for West End stage worked but Rhydian the Classical crossover artist didn't. There was a distinct change in tack for him part way through live shows. Not sure if this was Rhydian himself not liking the camp stuff or Simon being his usual non-original self sticking with the well worn classics. Whichever it didn't work & it was made worse with his duet with Katherine Jenkins as it showed that he doesn't have the vocals to work too well in this genre. Many fans have been writing ridiculous stuff about Katherine. It wasn't her best performance & if it is any consolation I doubt it has done much for her CD sales but she isn't the appalling singer she is being made out to be. For me it just emphasises that many of Rhydian fans don't actually appreciate her genre & Rhydian being groomed to go into it was wrong. I hope lessons have been learnt & that his material going forward is more Rhydian of old & links to musical theatre & he keeps clear of classical crossover stuff |
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Three reasons why Rhydian lost despite being odds on favourite to win this year...
Choice of songs for the final - O Holy Night, Somewhere, and You Raise Me Up. All a bit too Churchy, too Welsh Male Voice Choir.. If you were to buy a Rhydian album, it would be to hear his amazing voice taking on Get The Party Started and Go West, not the faux-opera standards which sound dull in comparison. Who watches X Factor and buys albums by Katherine Jenkins? Secondly, Leon's perfomance with Kylie was TV Gold. A fantastic performance... Thrirdly- and the most damning of all, they replayed Rhydian's origial auditions where he came acros as slimey, smarmy and egotistical. It reminded viewers of how they disliked him in the early days before the makeover of the the white hair and high camp that Danii created for him. Or was it Simon Cowell? ![]() As for the performance with Kylie, that will turn up on 'The most embarrassing moments on TV' programme.
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He lost I believe because he became an 'ordinary' singer of classic songs. He doesn't have the voice & vocal range to really excel at this stuff & give it a 'wow' moment. I posted this earlier on another thread.
Rhydian is the best vocalist & was way ahead with a few shows to go but it went downhill for him. Why?? My opinion is that Rhydian the showman destined for West End stage worked but Rhydian the Classical crossover artist didn't. There was a distinct change in tack for him part way through live shows. Not sure if this was Rhydian himself not liking the camp stuff or Simon being his usual non-original self sticking with the well worn classics. Whichever it didn't work & it was made worse with his duet with Katherine Jenkins as it showed that he doesn't have the vocals to work too well in this genre. Many fans have been writing ridiculous stuff about Katherine. It wasn't her best performance & if it is any consolation I doubt it has done much for her CD sales but she isn't the appalling singer she is being made out to be. For me it just emphasises that many of Rhydian fans don't actually appreciate her genre & Rhydian being groomed to go into it was wrong. I hope lessons have been learnt & that his material going forward is more Rhydian of old & links to musical theatre & he keeps clear of classical crossover stuff
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Nice post. Spot on, too!
![]() Thanks. Rhydian fans rather than thrashing about being negative about Leon, Katherine & voting process surely need to be thinking about what he needs to be doing in his music career. I think the message out of saturday was a clear one & it needs to get through to Simon Cowell in a clear & concise way. I do hope he has 'got it' but you never know as he seems to be so set him his ways. How many more times do we need to hear You'll Never Walk Alone |
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I was a Rhydian supporter throughout but have to admit that he was out of his depth singing alongside Katherine Jenkins
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I was a Rhydian supporter throughout but have to admit that he was out of his depth singing alongside Katherine Jenkins
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Thanks.
Rhydian fans rather than thrashing about being negative about Leon, Katherine & voting process surely need to be thinking about what he needs to be doing in his music career. I think the message out of saturday was a clear one & it needs to get through to Simon Cowell in a clear & concise way. I do hope he has 'got it' but you never know as he seems to be so set him his ways. How many more times do we need to hear You'll Never Walk Alone Rhydian's future is on the Musical stage, hopefully. That's where he will shine, I'm sure. If that happens, I doubt Cowell will manage him.
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I think you say that cos he's Andy's mate
![]() I have always said HOWEVER that dspite Rhyd being the consistently best performer and vocalist of the show, he was not right for this show. Hes not commercial chart music, and whether we like it or not, thats what the XF has become |
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I was a Rhydian supporter throughout but have to admit that he was out of his depth singing alongside Katherine Jenkins
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I was a Rhydian supporter throughout but have to admit that he was out of his depth singing alongside Katherine Jenkins
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Not at all. If I thought Rhyd performed better then I would be gracious enough to say! I think Saturday was Leons best week vocally and performance, where I thought Rhydians was his weakest. Yes, hes Andys mate - as is Rhydian! Going on ur theory, I should prefer Rhyd because hes welsh and - shock horror - so is Andy I guess
I have always said HOWEVER that dspite Rhyd being the consistently best performer and vocalist of the show, he was not right for this show. Hes not commercial chart music, and whether we like it or not, thats what the XF has become for a reason ![]() Up the 'Port! U knowzzzz it
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He lost I believe because he became an 'ordinary' singer of classic songs. He doesn't have the voice & vocal range to really excel at this stuff & give it a 'wow' moment. I posted this earlier on another thread.
Rhydian is the best vocalist & was way ahead with a few shows to go but it went downhill for him. Why?? My opinion is that Rhydian the showman destined for West End stage worked but Rhydian the Classical crossover artist didn't. There was a distinct change in tack for him part way through live shows. Not sure if this was Rhydian himself not liking the camp stuff or Simon being his usual non-original self sticking with the well worn classics. Whichever it didn't work & it was made worse with his duet with Katherine Jenkins as it showed that he doesn't have the vocals to work too well in this genre. Many fans have been writing ridiculous stuff about Katherine. It wasn't her best performance & if it is any consolation I doubt it has done much for her CD sales but she isn't the appalling singer she is being made out to be. For me it just emphasises that many of Rhydian fans don't actually appreciate her genre & Rhydian being groomed to go into it was wrong. I hope lessons have been learnt & that his material going forward is more Rhydian of old & links to musical theatre & he keeps clear of classical crossover stuff agreed. I think that there is a gap in the market for Rhydian the Showman (after all who else does what he did) and let's not forget, it was the sheer unexpected exuberance of the first few performances that made people sit up(including ALW) . I seem to remember that it was Sharon and Louis who complained that he was being over the top. Rhydian said that he had enjoyed them so why was he then forced into a more predictable and less appealing mold? I just wonder how he would have done if could have sung something with Kylie!!!! Unpredictable Rhydian was one of his strengths. And I cannot understand why he was not allowed to sing POTO or GTPS at the final. It just seems so bizarre. Where was the feel good factor he could have given the floating voter? And there were lot of new viewers that night. Why four samey songs? And who was responsible for that just plain nasty VT? Presumably it was seen and okayed by Danii (as a hands on mentor or simon Cowell as a control freak). Did they want him to lose? |
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Agreed. I thought he had a powerful operatic voice, until you put them together and realised that his voice was weak in comparison to hers. That made me ask what niche is Rhyd?!
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