Technically, yes. In practice, his vote has never made a difference - he's always gone with the majority. So he's never used his casting vote to make a difference, so effectively his vote is pointless.


Oh yes, if he wanted to make a difference, and to actually exercise his power, then that was his ideal opportunity to do so. Although, can you imagine the ranting from Matt fans on this forum if he'd gone for Gethin?


No, he has casting vote - so if it's 2-2, then he decides. As it'd be extremely unlikely - I would say "impossible", but nothing surprises me about judges now - to decide against his own vote, then he effectively has 2 votes.

This would be fine were it not for the fact that there have been references in previous dance-offs to 'dance potential' and what contestants have done previously as well.

Len has behaved in a stupid and OTT manner and actually cast a shadow over the competition.

Yes, that's clear inconsistency - at least earlier on. They all seem to be more on-message now, though.


What's Len done? Apart from go with the majority?

I know that is the case, I am saying what would be better. Most of Gethin's supporters feel cheated because it is unlikely that he was bottom in the public vote. Many of us were outraged that Matt got through the week before so it's a question of how many people the show has alienated. I don't read any rantings from Matt's fans

They are all now singing from the same hymn book but there's still controversy as to whether it's the right one. Len has been inconsistent, rude and belligerent. he has lost the credibility he once had.

If Matt or Alesha had been bottom of the judges' leaderboard and been ejected a la Gethin, they too would be ranting today about the unfairness of the system.

It's to do with the small number in the semi-final and a dance-off. The chances of saving your favourite are almost negligible - you are in effect voting and then relying on only one possible voting permutation by other fans to enable your fave to avoid the dance-off.

I have posted at tedious length about this on another thread :yawn: but the BBC is almost at the point of misleading the public when saying "vote to keep your favourite in the competition". I think the producers have abused the spirit of the competition. (Sorry for sounding so pompous)

They all have imo.

LOL! Sounds a bit like 'he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't' to me"

This is all a repeat of last year. They had Matt Dawson bottom of the judges scores. Mark went through and it was between him and Emma. Matt went through as it was clear that he must have had the highest public vote.

They didn't want the same thing happening. They desperately wanted Emma in the final last year and have almost completely written Matt out of SCD history because he beat her. This year they wanted Matt Di in the final and therefore didn't abandon the dance-off in the semi as I believe they would have done if it had been a four person semi.

Again, that is also all down to their lack of forward planning which has resulted in yet another two person final.

It's not pompous at all - it's completely true. The producers and the judges have damaged SCD's brand with their stupidity.

And this will get even worse if we have yet more 'Matt's comeback' hysteria this week or in the final. Somebody is obviously trying to skew the final result by ramming 'Matt's comeback' (:yawn down the audience's throats.

It's being done so crassly and obviously that it's no wonder that people are up in arms.

The producers need to stop trying to influence the vote and the judging panel sould be shaken up - starting off with Len, who should move to LA full-time to do Dancing With The Stars.

Is this up on Youtube at all?

Yes, please?

Not neccesarily - he could have come 2nd to Mark. All we know is that Emma had the lowest public vote.

Judges/Public/Total

Mark 3/3/6
Emma 2/1/3
Matt 1/2/3

With Matt going through as public vote > judges score

I have said very much the same thing elsewhere. Once the leaderboard positions had been established voting for Gethin was pretty much futile. There's been talk on TV and in newspaper articles about Gethin's fans not voting. It's likely they did vote but their vote did not have the power to do anything. It is not pompous to say the producers have abused the spirit of the competition, they have also abused the public.

Which is hardly a surprise *wry grin*


Actually, as an Alesha fan I have said in several places that I think having a dance off in the semis was a foolish idea.

See, that's when I lose it, when I absolutely shouting and throwing things lose it, when I see any variation of 'Why didn't people vote for Gethin?' Even Gethin on a radio interview was joking about the phone lines being cut in Wales and I wanted to shout at him, 'We voted! We voted and voted! For all we know we voted more than anyone - and it didn't make any difference!' I've accepted the judges' decision, I hope Alesha and Matt D have a great final, I know that Gethin may just as possibly have got the lowest votes. It's when people say 'Gethin wasn't popular' as a proven fact that I want to howl. (Sorry to rant.)

Having a dance off, full stop, is a foolish idea and should be dropped for next year as well as the Sunday results show.

Yup.


Of course we flaming voted and voted and voted....first time in the series for me in fact.

I voted all week and then most of Saturday night prbably around 40 times in all . I know loads of Gethin fans who did the same.

I wonder whether that's why Len's sticking to the other judges opinions ATM, because it's the easier 'damn'. Maybe if he didn't have ultimate repsonsibilty, he might be more relaxed going for a 2-2 and taking it back to the public?

Not saying it affected his decision on Saturday, but might help him in future series.

Imo it shows a serious flaw in the current system. No matter how many votes for Gethin, he couldn't escape the dance off unless Matt also beat Alesha - something that ought to be irrelevant.

'Course it's 'cause the judges' marks are also in there.

they should have made it a public vote.
I have a feeling Matt would have still got more votes then gethin but we'll never know now which is annoying.