DS Forums

 
 

Can someone explain please?


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 18-12-2007, 09:23
Scots_Dragon
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Scotland
Posts: 2,517

I am a little confused as to this new twist in the Leon-gate saga.

People are claiming Leon got extra time for voting, I can't say that I was paying much attention as I was trying to get through to vote for Leon after the lines re-opened (unsuccessfully I might add).

The way I read it, lines re-opened. Leon sang his version of the winners song and then we had an advertisement break. Then Rhydian sang, lines closed and we had another advertisement break with the results at the end.

If this is incorrect, could someone please clear it up for me please.
Scots_Dragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 18-12-2007, 09:26
pink sparkle
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,725
Nope you are correct. I don't get it either!
pink sparkle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2007, 09:29
Tiggah
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Awww Maaan!!!
Posts: 398
Sorry, I'm back, I've been drowning in Southern Comfort since Saturday and haven't read the boards at all. As far as I know, while I watched the show, Leon sang and his voting number was shown. I'm sure that there was then a break before Rhydian sang and his number was shown underneath. So in voting terms Leon did have a 5-10 minute head start.

FWIW, I thought Leon did a great job on Saturday, just confuzzled by Rhydian not winning.
Tiggah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2007, 09:34
Scots_Dragon
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Scotland
Posts: 2,517
Sorry, I'm back, I've been drowning in Southern Comfort since Saturday and haven't read the boards at all. As far as I know, while I watched the show, Leon sang and his voting number was shown. I'm sure that there was then a break before Rhydian sang and his number was shown underneath. So in voting terms Leon did have a 5-10 minute head start.

FWIW, I thought Leon did a great job on Saturday, just confuzzled by Rhydian not winning.
So Rhydian voters were not paying attention in the whole of the 3 hours previous, hadn't voted previously so wouldn't have had it on their phone redial or maybe even written it down so they wouldn't lose it.

Thank you for clearing this up for me, it seems that there is no problems with the time given to each finalist. More a case of one of them had to sing first, so Leon gets more time for singing first. For what its worth, I have always admired Rhydian's voice and always thought it was more consistent then Leon's. I was shocked Leon won, but accept it for what it truly is - a talent contest with public voting deciding the result.
Scots_Dragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2007, 09:39
pink sparkle
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,725
So Rhydian voters were not paying attention in the whole of the 3 hours previous, hadn't voted previously so wouldn't have had it on their phone redial or maybe even written it down so they wouldn't lose it.

Thank you for clearing this up for me, it seems that there is no problems with the time given to each finalist. More a case of one of them had to sing first, so Leon gets more time for singing first.
Yep, this is how i see it and on top of this noone has mentioned how Rhydian could be said to have an advantage as having heard the song once it may influence people to think Rhyd's was better. Sorry i can't explain it very clearly, but i know what i mean.

Besides Rhydian voters could still have voted all the way through Leons performance, they aren't exactly gonna vote on how well he performed the last song as most will have already made their minds up. They had enough evidence to go on, from the songs before, oh and however many weeks before that!
pink sparkle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2007, 09:41
Tiggah
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Awww Maaan!!!
Posts: 398
So Rhydian voters were not paying attention in the whole of the 3 hours previous, hadn't voted previously so wouldn't have had it on their phone redial or maybe even written it down so they wouldn't lose it.

Thank you for clearing this up for me, it seems that there is no problems with the time given to each finalist. More a case of one of them had to sing first, so Leon gets more time for singing first. For what its worth, I have always admired Rhydian's voice and always thought it was more consistent then Leon's. I was shocked Leon won, but accept it for what it truly is - a talent contest with public voting deciding the result.
Maybe some people only tuned in for the final, voted at the last minute? I haven't a clue what people do with the numbers but not everyone in the UK watched the main show.

Of course one of them had to go first but it was a mistake of the producers to put only Leon's number on first. The fair thing to do would have been to show both numbers during both performances I suppose.
Tiggah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2007, 09:41
padrinomatt
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 1,047
If Leon had gone second, everyone would be saying he had an advantage because he was fresher in the memory. This is actually the more accepted logic in these competitions.
padrinomatt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2007, 09:46
Tiggah
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Awww Maaan!!!
Posts: 398
If Leon had gone second, everyone would be saying he had an advantage because he was fresher in the memory. This is actually the more accepted logic in these competitions.
Fair point!

That is one thing that did annoy me about the main show on Saturday. It ran - SD, Leon, Rhyd then SD, Rhyd, Leon. SD never had the chance to perform last which WOULD have been fairer
Tiggah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2007, 09:46
tiggosaurus
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Broadway baby!
Posts: 3,464
I think the "Rhydian voters" comment is a bit misleading - not everyone would have made their mind up who they were going to vote for before the 'winner's song'. More time should have been allowed for those who were waiting to judge both the final two on that performance to cast their votes. I also think it would have been fairer if phone lines had been re-opened for 15-20 mins after both had sung, numbers displayed side by side.

It might not have made a jot of difference to the final result and, whatever happens, the result is not going to be overturned. I just think there are some important lessons for the producers and Simon Cowell to take note of for next year to avoid a repeat of this brouhaha.
tiggosaurus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2007, 09:53
Daisy-Chain
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 267
Can someone clear up how it worked in previous years? Conversational wisdom has always said that the act going first, when there are a number of acts, usually looses - so it was not surprising that SD went out but what has happened when there are only 2?

I know if the first series the winner sang first in the final singoff but can't remember the next couple of series?
Daisy-Chain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2007, 09:53
tiggosaurus
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Broadway baby!
Posts: 3,464
Fair point!

That is one thing that did annoy me about the main show on Saturday. It ran - SD, Leon, Rhyd then SD, Rhyd, Leon. SD never had the chance to perform last which WOULD have been fairer
I think it was fairly obvious they weren't 'destined' to be in the final two. Song choices, star guest, running order, reserved comments etc - all not really in their favour. Not a conspiracy theory, I just thought it was a bit of a shame for them after they had worked so hard and performed so consistently throughout the series.
tiggosaurus is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply




 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 18:42.