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Matt to win Strictly!!!!!
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claire2281
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by rita1:
“I do think the more ITT continues in an anti-Matt mode throughout the week, the more Matt's chances of winning increase.”

I'd hardly say ITT has been anti-Matt. They've been gushing a lot about his waltz and praising his comeback which rather outweighs one person saying they wouldn't have given him 40/40 (which to be fair, many seem to agree with anyway).
mintchocchip
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“I'd hardly say ITT has been anti-Matt. They've been gushing a lot about his waltz and praising his comeback which rather outweighs one person saying they wouldn't have given him 40/40 (which to be fair, many seem to agree with anyway).”

Really? All they seem to talk about is how overmarked it was and whether or not he really deserves to be there. Not very encouraging for someone going into the finals methinks. Not one guest the last two days has actually stated that they feel he deserves to be or is happy that he is there. I'm not saying anyone should lie but for heavens sake say something positive about him instead of the endless 'oh I though gethin would go through' 'Oh but how does he compare to gethin?' I think it smacks of a total lack of support and I hope it is rectified over the next few days.
ellieb123
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by mintchocchip:
“Really? All they seem to talk about is how overmarked it was and whether or not he really deserves to be there. Not very encouraging for someone going into the finals methinks. Not one guest the last two days has actually stated that they feel he deserves to be or is happy that he is there. I'm not saying anyone should lie but for heavens sake say something positive about him instead of the endless 'oh I though gethin would go through' 'Oh but how does he compare to gethin?' I think it smacks of a total lack of support and I hope it is rectified over the next few days.”

I think the judges were very complimentary of him on Saturday night but then Craig was rather tactless on Monday re the dance off . Then again, he picked up on Alesha's footwork being laboured on Monday, but mentioned nothing to her on Saturday. It's almost as if they watch the show back on Sunday and decide what they'll say on ITT then.
To be honest I think people would have been less surprised if it had have been Alesha who had left rather than Gethin. The impression I get from the guests is that they thought Gethin was a dead cert for the final after his transformation over the past couple of weeks. I don't think they are trying to do Matt down, rather just surprised that Gethin isn't there.

xx
CityofRoses
19-12-2007
Wasn't Phillip Jackson the only one who said he was over marked? I can't remember anyone else saying it.
teabee
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by Snippy:
“In your opinion she may be the best, not in mine though. She has her problems and weaknesses just as Matt does. Having said that I think she is fantastic - but I think it incredibly unfair that her negatives are rarely highlighted by the judges/commentators. Not only unfair to the other contestants but also to Alesha, she should have been told to sort out her leg/footwork problem a long time ago!

She is a beautiful woman and dancer, I love watching her, she beguiles us and disguses her problems with flawless performances which are a treat to watch.

I believe there is little to choose between Matt and Alesha and it should make for a thrilling final. Throughout the series they have been the most exciting to watch!

Matt just edges it for me because on the many, many times he has danced well, he puts in great performance and is usually technically more sound than Alesha. ”

Its because of people giving sympathy votes and voting for their favourites that Matt is in the final,I ask you has Alesha ever messed up so badly that she should no longer be in the competition?.The answer is no,and all of you Matt Lovers know it,so once again I will say if the voting goes with the best dancer (failing mishaps) then Alesha will win easily,but if all people vote for Matt just because he they fancy him then who knows what will happen.Just remember its because of strange voting that we never saw enough of Gabby and Penny.
CAMBER
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by teabee:
“Its because of people giving sympathy votes and voting for their favourites that Matt is in the final,I ask you has Alesha ever messed up so badly that she should no longer be in the competition?.The answer is no,and all of you Matt Lovers know it,so once again I will say if the voting goes with the best dancer (failing mishaps) then Alesha will win easily,but if all people vote for Matt just because he they fancy him then who knows what will happen.Just remember its because of strange voting that we never saw enough of Gabby and Penny.”

How can you know now who will be the best dancer on the night?
Have to say though that dishy Matt+that salsa+that waltz is a winning combination for me!
Muggsy
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by teabee:
“Its because of people giving sympathy votes and voting for their favourites that Matt is in the final,I ask you has Alesha ever messed up so badly that she should no longer be in the competition?.The answer is no,and all of you Matt Lovers know it,so once again I will say if the voting goes with the best dancer (failing mishaps) then Alesha will win easily,but if all people vote for Matt just because he they fancy him then who knows what will happen.Just remember its because of strange voting that we never saw enough of Gabby and Penny.”

Come on now, you haven't read any of the replies people gave, have you?

Just repeating what you want to believe doesn't make a valid argument.
clonion
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by mintchocchip:
“Really? All they seem to talk about is how overmarked it was and whether or not he really deserves to be there. Not very encouraging for someone going into the finals methinks. Not one guest the last two days has actually stated that they feel he deserves to be or is happy that he is there. I'm not saying anyone should lie but for heavens sake say something positive about him instead of the endless 'oh I though gethin would go through' 'Oh but how does he compare to gethin?' I think it smacks of a total lack of support and I hope it is rectified over the next few days.”

The comparison to Gethin cannot be avoided because they were compared in the dance-off. Also, in a show such as this, it's hard to determine "deserve". Take last year - would Emma have "deserved" a place in the final when the public weren't behind her?

Also, Karen was very complimentary about him yesterday - can't remember it exactly, but did she not say that his hands and arms are among the best ever seen on SCD?
nancy1975
19-12-2007
Matt could well be the best dancer on the night if he remembers to smile more than twice in a routine.
Who Am I?
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by teabee:
“Its because of people giving sympathy votes and voting for their favourites that Matt is in the final,I ask you has Alesha ever messed up so badly that she should no longer be in the competition?.The answer is no,and all of you Matt Lovers know it,so once again I will say if the voting goes with the best dancer (failing mishaps) then Alesha will win easily,but if all people vote for Matt just because he they fancy him then who knows what will happen.Just remember its because of strange voting that we never saw enough of Gabby and Penny.”

I totally agree that the best dancer should win but who's to say that won't be Matt on the night. He's certainly capable of giving a great performance and with Flavias choreography there's no reason why it won't WOW us.

I hope both couples go out and have fun on Saturday night - enjoy the dance and enjoy the show. I might just be rooting for Matt and Flavia a little bit more (well a lot more if I'm honest) than Alesha and Matthew but I won't be disappointed if the best dancer wins. They are both winners getting to the final.
teabee
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by Muggsy:
“Come on now, you haven't read any of the replies people gave, have you?

Just repeating what you want to believe doesn't make a valid argument.”

What I am trying to point out is that Matt should not be in the competition ,he should have gone out 2 weeks ago when he gave 2 very poor performances,and it is because of sympathy voting that he got through.This is a dance competition not a "ahh we feel sorry for him,just look at him he is nearly crying" so we will vote for him competition
Who Am I?
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by teabee:
“What I am trying to point out is that Matt should not be in the competition ,he should have gone out 2 weeks ago when he gave 2 very poor performances,and it is because of sympathy voting that he got through.This is a dance competition not a "ahh we feel sorry for him,just look at him he is nearly crying" so we will vote for him competition”

There is probably an element of truth that Matt did pick up some sympathy voting that week from 'floating' viewers, but its also possible that other viewers voted on his previous performances and felt that was a glitch. Admittely it was a huge glitch and I think all of Matts fans and even Matt and Flavia themselves recognise how fortunate they were to get to the semi final - without having to face the dance off.

However, judging from their performances on Saturday they earnt their place in the final on merit. I know thats subjective and others might disagree with me but thats in my opinion.
teabee
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by Who Am I?:
“There is probably an element of truth that Matt did pick up some sympathy voting that week from 'floating' viewers, but its also possible that other viewers voted on his previous performances and felt that was a glitch. Admittely it was a huge glitch and I think all of Matts fans and even Matt and Flavia themselves recognise how fortunate they were to get to the semi final - without having to face the dance off.

However, judging from their performances on Saturday they earnt their place in the final on merit. I know thats subjective and others might disagree with me but thats in my opinion.”

Some sympathy voting?.My sympathy lies with Letitia who was far far better than Matt on that particular night,but because of the voting she was put in to the dance off,and now with Gethin who should have been up against Letitia and Alesha,not Matt in the semis.Matt does not deserve to be in the final because he did not deserve to be in the semi final
gorlagon
19-12-2007
I think that Matt probably has the most latent talent and potential in dance than any of the other competitors - including, dare I say it, Alesha. He really could be great.

However, SCD is all about making the most of your potential, from whatever position you start out at, and I honestly, honestly, honestly think that Matt has made the least of what he has naturally. We've seen only tiny glimpses from him. Most of what he has is still, for me, as latent as the day he started in week one.

For that reason, I don't think he should win.

Nevertheless, the best of luck to him in the final.
KDee
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by teabee:
“Some sympathy voting?.My sympathy lies with Letitia who was far far better than Matt on that particular night,but because of the voting she was put in to the dance off,and now with Gethin who should have been up against Letitia and Alesha,not Matt in the semis.Matt does not deserve to be in the final because he did not deserve to be in the semi final”

You are totally in your rights to voice your opinion but as you can see from this tread - you are out numbered.

Why dont you just agree to disagree and 'just let go'
EmmaGx
19-12-2007
Guys responding to teebee is only encouraging him/her ... whoever they are they only signed up to cause trouble in this thread ... that doesn't sound like a true SCD fan to me ... and they definitely aren't someone who's mind you will be able to change with reasoned argument ... well, so far as I can see!
footygirl
19-12-2007
Matt win SCD-unlikely-he should have got the boot in the week Tish went
diyqueen
19-12-2007
I'm with you matt to win

**********go matt go***************
Dollystanford
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by gorlagon:
“I think that Matt probably has the most latent talent and potential in dance than any of the other competitors - including, dare I say it, Alesha. He really could be great.

However, SCD is all about making the most of your potential, from whatever position you start out at, and I honestly, honestly, honestly think that Matt has made the least of what he has naturally. We've seen only tiny glimpses from him. Most of what he has is still, for me, as latent as the day he started in week one.

For that reason, I don't think he should win.

Nevertheless, the best of luck to him in the final.”

I absolutely agree with this. I think the best two dancers are in the final, HOWEVER, what you say about him making the least of what he has naturally is bang on. I haven't seen much change in him, his jive was as good as any of his later latins and his AS and QS were in my opinion better than his waltz, despite the error

the reason I want Alesha to win is this - there have only been two of her dances that I have thought 'mm not sure about that'; the samba and paso. All of her other dances have delighted me

With Matt, I have really enjoyed his jive, AS, QS, salsa and waltz. I've not really been bothered about any of his others and he of course had two absolute disasters

so it's Alesha 11/13 and Matt 5/13

for me, that is
Chiaroscuro
19-12-2007
I do wish people would get over the fact Matt is in the final. Those saying he only stayed because of sympathy votes the week Letitia went out seem to forget that Letitia got a fair few sympathy votes herself, as did Kate, as have other people in previous series. It just happens...!

Although my heart is with a win for Matt, I'd be happy to see Alesha win it because she's a lovely dancer and you could see how much being in the final meant to her by her reaction last week.

What I really don't understand is all this business about Gethin deserving to be there more than Matt. I liked the two lads equally but felt that Matt had the edge on Gethin through the series. It was only in the last fortnight that Gethin seemed to really improve - after he saw the acting coach - and for me his performances last week weren't as powerful as Matt's.
Chiaroscuro
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by Dollystanford:
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for me, that is ”

I always feel I have to put 'for me' in posts too. I really don't ever want someone to think I'm sayin "Ooh you're wrong for thinking/feeling that", even if I disagree with their view.
mintchocchip
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by Chiaroscuro:
“I do wish people would get over the fact Matt is in the final. Those saying he only stayed because of sympathy votes the week Letitia went out seem to forget that Letitia got a fair few sympathy votes herself, as did Kate, as have other people in previous series. It just happens...!

Although my heart is with a win for Matt, I'd be happy to see Alesha win it because she's a lovely dancer and you could see how much being in the final meant to her by her reaction last week.

What I really don't understand is all this business about Gethin deserving to be there more than Matt. I liked the two lads equally but felt that Matt had the edge on Gethin through the series. It was only in the last fortnight that Gethin seemed to really improve - after he saw the acting coach - and for me his performances last week weren't as powerful as Matt's.”

I agree with everything you say. I am getting a bit sick of all this, it's like some sort of lynchmob against him.

Last time I saw something similar about an EE actor in Strictly something rather awful happened to the guy shortly after. I know I'm being overdramatic but hopefully Matt is too busy to hear or read what some people have been saying about him.

I think whether he or Gethin deserved to get through is down to the individual's personal opinion of which dancer they preferred. I have faith that he will wow us on Saturday.
Dollystanford
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by Chiaroscuro:
“ I always feel I have to put 'for me' in posts too. I really don't ever want someone to think I'm sayin "Ooh you're wrong for thinking/feeling that", even if I disagree with their view. ”

well you too often get accused of 'telling people what to think' on here so I'm careful to point it out
Muggsy
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by teabee:
“What I am trying to point out is that Matt should not be in the competition ,he should have gone out 2 weeks ago when he gave 2 very poor performances,and it is because of sympathy voting that he got through.This is a dance competition not a "ahh we feel sorry for him,just look at him he is nearly crying" so we will vote for him competition”

So you don't have a beef about the judges putting him through to the final over Gethin?
teabee
19-12-2007
Originally Posted by Muggsy:
“So you don't have a beef about the judges putting him through to the final over Gethin?”

My BEEF? is not with the judges,it is with the public, who voted for a dancer that completely cocked-up both dances in one evening just because they felt sorry for him, and or fancy him.I will say again this is a dancing comp and his dancing that evening did not warrant him going any further in the programme.If he is the best dancer on Saturday then I will vote for him if he is not then I will vote for Alesha I dont mind who wins,but remember Alesha has never had a bad week and your guy has had a few
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