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Old 21-12-2007, 18:20
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Looking back at the performances, i have realised that leon actually has a really good singing voice when he stays in tune. With some lessons and the right songs he could be around for a while yet

However, the song that will be xmas number 1 is possibly one of the blandest songs/versions i have ever heard
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Old 21-12-2007, 18:24
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Looking back at the performances, i have realised that leon actually has a really good singing voice when he stays in tune. With some lessons and the right songs he could be around for a while yet

However, the song that will be xmas number 1 is possibly one of the blandest songs/versions i have ever heard

I would tend to agree. I think that the winners song would have suited Niki best of all. He would have been better with Long and Winding Road. I might even have been temoted to buy that myself - although I don't really buy singles.
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Old 21-12-2007, 19:03
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Looking back at the performances, i have realised that leon actually has a really good singing voice when he stays in tune. With some lessons and the right songs he could be around for a while yet

However, the song that will be xmas number 1 is possibly one of the blandest songs/versions i have ever heard
That's what most Leon supporters believe.

He is new to this and needs more experience, but when he sings and gets it right, his voice is beautiful. I can't wait to see how he develops.

agree about the single too, but luckily I don't think it matters, as it will do well regardless. It all depends on what he follows up with.
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Old 21-12-2007, 19:09
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I agree Leon isn't that bad. But the problem is - he isn't very good.
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Old 21-12-2007, 19:15
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Looking back at the performances, i have realised that leon actually has a really good singing voice when he stays in tune. With some lessons and the right songs he could be around for a while yet
However, the song that will be xmas number 1 is possibly one of the blandest songs/versions i have ever heard
But that was the only song Leon was able to give a decent persformance of!
In my opinion it was that song which won Leon the competition against Rhydian, whose version was technically perfect but so dull and lack-lustre I almost nodded off.
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Old 21-12-2007, 19:31
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But that was the only song Leon was able to give a decent persformance of!
In my opinion it was that song which won Leon the competition against Rhydian, whose version was technically perfect but so dull and lack-lustre I almost nodded off.
Not quite true - there was You don't Know Me, Crazy Little thing Called Love, Home, Long and Winding Road, Relight My Fire, Fly Me to the Moon . I liked his first performance too, even though he didn't impress Simon.

Leon's songs didn't have the grandiosity of Rhydian's performances, but it was his feel for the songs and the lovely warm tone that earned him his support. A lot of us followed his live performances on Youtube as well ie singing with Michael Buble at Wembley and at the Livingston Centre.
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Old 21-12-2007, 19:38
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Not quite true - there was You don't Know Me, Crazy Little thing Called Love, Home, Long and Winding Road, Relight My Fire, Fly Me to the Moon . I liked his first performance too, even though he didn't impress Simon.

Leon's songs didn't have the grandiosity of Rhydian's performances, but it was his feel for the songs and the lovely warm tone that earned him his support. A lot of us followed his live performances on Youtube as well ie singing with Michael Buble at Wembley and at the Livingston Centre.
You're so right about that.
I just meant to say that he didn't always do himself justice in some of the songs. Actually I was forever willing him on not to be so nervous.
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Old 21-12-2007, 19:52
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You're so right about that.
I just meant to say that he didn't always do himself justice in some of the songs. Actually I was forever willing him on not to be so nervous.
I think we all were....
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Old 21-12-2007, 19:57
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Looking back at the performances, i have realised that leon actually has a really good singing voice when he stays in tune.
That's classic That's like me saying that I'm a good cook when I don't burn the food.

Leon had a couple of very good performances ('The Long and Winding Road' and 'You Don't Know Me') but other than that, he was mediocre bordering on the poor. His performance of 'When You Believe' was the vocal equivalent of anaesthetic. Unfortunately, the recorded version is even worse.
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Old 21-12-2007, 19:58
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The OP is spot on - great post.

People voted for the potential they can see in Leon, and maybe Rhydian was just too professional?
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Old 21-12-2007, 20:06
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That's classic That's like me saying that I'm a good cook when I don't burn the food.

Leon had a couple of very good performances ('The Long and Winding Road' and 'You Don't Know Me') but other than that, he was mediocre bordering on poor.
Do you consider Tom Wait or Lou Reed to be good singers I wonder, or is your criteria being note perfect? Example - Cliff Richard is never out of tune but I can't stand him.
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Old 21-12-2007, 20:07
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I agree Leon isn't that bad. But the problem is - he isn't very good.
Someone who is 'too bad' winning a national singing competition? What next - someone who is passably good looking winning Miss World - someone who can rustle up beans on toast winning Master Chef? No harm to the lad but it's a national embarassment to think that people voted him the best in X Factor. Or did they think they were watching a competition called 'The Sympathy Factor' where viewers voted for the best sob story
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Old 21-12-2007, 20:11
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Do you consider Tom Wait or Lou Reed to be good singers I wonder, or is your criteria being note perfect? Example - Cliff Richard is never out of tune but I can't stand him.
Please don't compare Leon to Tom Wait or Lou Reed! Just because some acclaimed singer/songwriters don't have technically perfect voices (and I'd add Bob Dylan to that list) doesn't mean that a Leon with his charisma bypass and total lack of passion for singing is in their league
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Old 21-12-2007, 20:12
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Someone who is 'too bad' winning a national singing competition? What next - someone who is passably good looking winning Miss World - someone who can rustle up beans on toast winning Master Chef? No harm to the lad but it's a national embarassment to think that people voted him the best in X Factor. Or did they think they were watching a competition called 'The Sympathy Factor' where viewers voted for the best sob story
I can only speak for myself and I voted for Leon because he was the only one I consistently enjoyed watching and listening to. On the repeat I had to fast forward everyone else's, including Rhydian's rather tedious performances in the latter stages of the competition.
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Old 21-12-2007, 20:14
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Do you consider Tom Wait or Lou Reed to be good singers I wonder, or is your criteria being note perfect? Example - Cliff Richard is never out of tune but I can't stand him.
For me, there is no substitute for perfect pitch and vocal clarity. However, I am a big fan of singers who are neither but have originality or emotion or engaging tone.

Sadly, Leon has none of the above in any reasonable amount.
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Old 21-12-2007, 20:14
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Please don't compare Leon to Tom Wait or Lou Reed! Just because some acclaimed singer/songwriters don't have technically perfect voices (and I'd add Bob Dylan to that list) doesn't mean that a Leon with his charisma bypass and total lack of passion for singing is in their league
Absolutely. You must have been posting at th same time as me but you put it so much better.
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Old 21-12-2007, 20:15
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Someone who is 'too bad' winning a national singing competition? What next - someone who is passably good looking winning Miss World - someone who can rustle up beans on toast winning Master Chef? No harm to the lad but it's a national embarassment to think that people voted him the best in X Factor. Or did they think they were watching a competition called 'The Sympathy Factor' where viewers voted for the best sob story
Don't look at me. I didn't vote for him.
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Old 21-12-2007, 20:16
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I can only speak for myself and I voted for Leon because he was the only one I consistently enjoyed watching and listening to. On the repeat I had to fast forward everyone else's, including Rhydian's rather tedious performances in the latter stages of the competition.
Then please understand those of us (who strangely, considering he didn't win, appear to be in the majority across the internet and media) for whom Rhydian was the only one whose performances were consistently enjoyable.
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Old 21-12-2007, 20:17
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I can only speak for myself and I voted for Leon because he was the only one I consistently enjoyed watching and listening to. On the repeat I had to fast forward everyone else's, including Rhydian's rather tedious performances in the latter stages of the competition.
I'm not saying that all Rhydian's performances were on an equal footing but give him credit - he never came near the level of tedium that Leon reached on 'Long and Winding Drone'
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Old 21-12-2007, 20:18
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I think the way people have been acting over this is pathetic!! get over it, he won and that is it! Some people really need to get a fcking life!
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Old 21-12-2007, 20:21
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Please don't compare Leon to Tom Wait or Lou Reed! Just because some acclaimed singer/songwriters don't have technically perfect voices (and I'd add Bob Dylan to that list) doesn't mean that a Leon with his charisma bypass and total lack of passion for singing is in their league
It seems to me that the main criticism aimed at Leon is because his untrained voice wasn't always 100% note perfect.
and also that he wasn't an accomplished dancer

If you can't understand that he won in spite of those things then you'll never get what the rest of us see in Leon.

I can't agree with you about him having a charisma bypass or having no passion for music either.
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Old 21-12-2007, 20:22
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I'm not saying that all Rhydian's performances were on an equal footing but give him credit - he never came near the level of tedium that Leon reached on 'Long and Winding Drone'
I liked Long and Winding Road
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Old 21-12-2007, 20:25
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I agree Leon isn't that bad. But the problem is - he isn't very good.
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Old 21-12-2007, 20:25
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Someone who is 'too bad' winning a national singing competition? What next - someone who is passably good looking winning Miss World - someone who can rustle up beans on toast winning Master Chef? No harm to the lad but it's a national embarassment to think that people voted him the best in X Factor. Or did they think they were watching a competition called 'The Sympathy Factor' where viewers voted for the best sob story
I couldn't have put it better. However, it is an unfortunate trait of the British public to prefer mediocrity and even imcompetence over excellence. Is it any surprise that we are consistent under-iachievers in international competition? The poor s*ds are probably frightened of what the reaction would be if they actually won

I have relatives and friends in Europe, America, Australia and New Zealand who have either been able to pick up 'X Factor' on cable or satellite, or performances through 'You Tube' and other internet sites. They either find it appalling, ludicrous or hilarious that the UK public voted for the mediocre Leon over the excellent Rhydian and other far superior acts.
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Old 21-12-2007, 20:28
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I'm not saying that all Rhydian's performances were on an equal footing but give him credit - he never came near the level of tedium that Leon reached on 'Long and Winding Drone'
That was one of Leon's good performances
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