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Doctor Who Christmas Special does a Rating of 12.24m
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Originally Posted by olijack:
“The 5 minute figures themselves would suggest this however the defenders of the poor episode are looking at the higher end figures.”
“The 5 minute figures themselves would suggest this however the defenders of the poor episode are looking at the higher end figures.”
Of course not, even the figures at the start are fantastic, they just got even better as the episode went on (start 11.7, up to 11.9 and onwards to 13.8 million 15 mins to the end) ..... and of course Easteenders viewers will have switched on and watched DW for at least 15 mins wouldn't they, of course they would.
And if you want to say that even "11. whatever" represents a failure, then please continue.
Originally Posted by olijack:
“The 5 minute figures themselves would suggest this however the defenders of the poor episode are looking at the higher end figures.
The 5 minute figures clearly show that those who had decided to wait for the next episode of Eastenders bled away a mere 10 minutes later and then started to return towards the end of the episode so that they didn't miss any of the next epsiode.
All of this puts into question the 13+ million that the BBC is quoting as it is probably closer to 11.5 million who actually sat and watched he whole episode through.....”
“The 5 minute figures themselves would suggest this however the defenders of the poor episode are looking at the higher end figures.
The 5 minute figures clearly show that those who had decided to wait for the next episode of Eastenders bled away a mere 10 minutes later and then started to return towards the end of the episode so that they didn't miss any of the next epsiode.
All of this puts into question the 13+ million that the BBC is quoting as it is probably closer to 11.5 million who actually sat and watched he whole episode through.....”
To which the only possible reply is...
Originally Posted by TimCypher:
“20:00..15.23m
20:05..13.12m”
“20:00..15.23m
20:05..13.12m”
...over two million viewers switching off when DW ended and the second Eastenders began.
Originally Posted by The Slug:
“I'm sure the audience appreciation index (AI) figure will be published in due course to settle this issue one way or the other.”
“I'm sure the audience appreciation index (AI) figure will be published in due course to settle this issue one way or the other.”
The AI's have always been favourable to RTD though, and tend to show overall like for a series rather than the one episode asked about. Anyone thinking the AI's are going to show the majority didn't like it is living in la la land.
Originally Posted by JCR:
“The AI's have always been favourable to RTD though, and tend to show overall like for a series rather than the one episode asked about. Anyone thinking the AI's are going to show the majority didn't like it is living in la la land.”
“The AI's have always been favourable to RTD though, and tend to show overall like for a series rather than the one episode asked about. Anyone thinking the AI's are going to show the majority didn't like it is living in la la land.”
Are you saying that because AI for RTD's episodes is generally high it must be wrong?
If anything, it just gives evidence of what several FMs state here which is that RTD's episodes, corny, plot-hole-ridden, Deus-Ex'd to the max or whatever else you want to say about them (oh yes, full of gay agenda shoved down our throats!) are the ones that the general public enjoy the most!
Now I'm firmly in the camp that prefers most other writers to RTD, but I'm not going to let my prejudice blind me to the fact that if the AI turns out to be in the high 80s with a 12m+ audience he's done a f***ing good job!
Originally Posted by olijack:
“The 5 minute figures themselves would suggest this however the defenders of the poor episode are looking at the higher end figures.
The 5 minute figures clearly show that those who had decided to wait for the next episode of Eastenders bled away a mere 10 minutes later and then started to return towards the end of the episode so that they didn't miss any of the next epsiode.
All of this puts into question the 13+ million that the BBC is quoting as it is probably closer to 11.5 million who actually sat and watched he whole episode through.....”
“The 5 minute figures themselves would suggest this however the defenders of the poor episode are looking at the higher end figures.
The 5 minute figures clearly show that those who had decided to wait for the next episode of Eastenders bled away a mere 10 minutes later and then started to return towards the end of the episode so that they didn't miss any of the next epsiode.
All of this puts into question the 13+ million that the BBC is quoting as it is probably closer to 11.5 million who actually sat and watched he whole episode through.....”
Actually 2 million went away once Eastenders started. I averaged all the 5minute figures and that came out at 12.17.
Originally Posted by The Slug:
“Are you saying that because AI for RTD's episodes is generally high it must be wrong?
If anything, it just gives evidence of what several FMs state here which is that RTD's episodes, corny, plot-hole-ridden, Deus-Ex'd to the max or whatever else you want to say about them (oh yes, full of gay agenda shoved down our throats!) are the ones that the general public enjoy the most!
Now I'm firmly in the camp that prefers most other writers to RTD, but I'm not going to let my prejudice blind me to the fact that if the AI turns out to be in the high 80s with a 12m+ audience he's done a f***ing good job!”
“Are you saying that because AI for RTD's episodes is generally high it must be wrong?
If anything, it just gives evidence of what several FMs state here which is that RTD's episodes, corny, plot-hole-ridden, Deus-Ex'd to the max or whatever else you want to say about them (oh yes, full of gay agenda shoved down our throats!) are the ones that the general public enjoy the most!
Now I'm firmly in the camp that prefers most other writers to RTD, but I'm not going to let my prejudice blind me to the fact that if the AI turns out to be in the high 80s with a 12m+ audience he's done a f***ing good job!”
No I agree with you. Last of the timelords is one of my favourite dr who episodes and I don't care that the majority here hated it.
Originally Posted by biomorph04:
“but watching it is not the same as enjoying it.
the figures are meaningless except to say that a lot of people tuned in optimistically.”
“but watching it is not the same as enjoying it.
the figures are meaningless except to say that a lot of people tuned in optimistically.”
If youl ook at the in-depth figures on OG they showed the audience increased as the show progressed fro 11.5 milion at 1850 to 13.8 million by the end. Rather suggests those who tuned in at the start stuck with it to the end so presumably enjoyed it.
AI is the appreciation figure to check. 75 is average for drama, anything above 80 is excellent. LOTTL scored 88.
Originally Posted by JCR:
“No I agree with you. Last of the timelords is one of my favourite dr who episodes and I don't care that the majority here hated it.”
“No I agree with you. Last of the timelords is one of my favourite dr who episodes and I don't care that the majority here hated it.”
The majority didn't hate it though. Here or on OG or anywhere fandom congregates. That is myth put forward by a small number who consider their views above everyone elses.
Originally Posted by Phil 2804:
“The majority didn't hate it though. Here or on OG or anywhere fandom congregates. That is myth put forward by a small number who consider their views above everyone elses.”
“The majority didn't hate it though. Here or on OG or anywhere fandom congregates. That is myth put forward by a small number who consider their views above everyone elses.”
and the ones that shout the loudest tend to make their views known and act as if no other view but their own is worth it.
I think anything above 10 is a fantastic rating. Also 50% of the audience share, that's practically unheard of nowadays with all the multichannel.
I think Doctor Who was helped along with some possible Eastenders fans watching it and the fact that there's more repeats on this Christmas than ever. If other channels cant be bothered making new Christmas specials that's their loss! lol. It was very clever scheduling by BBC, and hopefully will bring in more viewers for the new series! (one person *dervish* not watching wont make any difference lol)
I think Doctor Who was helped along with some possible Eastenders fans watching it and the fact that there's more repeats on this Christmas than ever. If other channels cant be bothered making new Christmas specials that's their loss! lol. It was very clever scheduling by BBC, and hopefully will bring in more viewers for the new series! (one person *dervish* not watching wont make any difference lol)
Originally Posted by Phil 2804:
“The majority didn't hate it though. Here or on OG or anywhere fandom congregates. That is myth put forward by a small number who consider their views above everyone elses.”
“The majority didn't hate it though. Here or on OG or anywhere fandom congregates. That is myth put forward by a small number who consider their views above everyone elses.”
True words indeed, in fact you look at a thread, especially for an episode that has just aired, when a few posts are made by forum members in succession praising the episode, a critic who will have previously posted in the thread, even several times before restating the same thing, will then post again in order to break up any constant praise of an episode they don't like, is an old trick that has become way to apparent and really quite pathetic now.
im so glad they did well in the ratings my biggest problem with it so many deaths in same area,but apart from that it was nice to see an Original programme.
whoever the gerbil is at ITV with programme commisions why dont they realise Sci-fi is the way forward since the trek market has dried up people are craving it.
ops i forgot they have the bionic woman starting on ITV2...all one series of it..
with luck the ratings DW got for the xmas special will once and for all shut anyone up at the BBC who think this show 'dumbs down' the channel.
whoever the gerbil is at ITV with programme commisions why dont they realise Sci-fi is the way forward since the trek market has dried up people are craving it.
ops i forgot they have the bionic woman starting on ITV2...all one series of it..
with luck the ratings DW got for the xmas special will once and for all shut anyone up at the BBC who think this show 'dumbs down' the channel.
Originally Posted by alexjones50:
“the reason it got such good rating was because everything else on at the time was crap. they were lucky ITV decided not not to run corrie agasint it (not that I like that stupid show, but you can't deny is popualrity) otherwise doctot who's ratigns woudl have been a bit lower.”
“the reason it got such good rating was because everything else on at the time was crap. they were lucky ITV decided not not to run corrie agasint it (not that I like that stupid show, but you can't deny is popualrity) otherwise doctot who's ratigns woudl have been a bit lower.”
pretty much spot on when you look at the top 10 rated programms for christmas day you do begin to realise just how poor in terms of choice christmas tv has become.
Lots of bored people wasting Xmas watching dross TV then. What were the other 48 odd million public of UK doing...???? Having a good time.?
Originally Posted by The Slug:
“Are you saying that because AI for RTD's episodes is generally high it must be wrong?”
“Are you saying that because AI for RTD's episodes is generally high it must be wrong?”
I've always felt that RTD writes more for the mainstream audience, and therefore gets high AI and viewer ratings.
The more favoured writers here tend to get slightly lower ratings than RTD (of course there are exceptions).
It's just horses for courses, imho....the good thing is that the writing team as a whole is able to provide something for everyone.
Originally Posted by Larry1971:
“pretty much spot on when you look at the top 10 rated programms for christmas day you do begin to realise just how poor in terms of choice christmas tv has become.”
“pretty much spot on when you look at the top 10 rated programms for christmas day you do begin to realise just how poor in terms of choice christmas tv has become.”
I have to disgree. Wasn't so long ago Christmas Day was nothing more than repeats, old films and Noel's Christmas House Party. Now we're getting original dramas, new comedy shows and sit coms and family adventures like Doctor Who. From my perspective, Christmas Day telly has gotten better not worse.
I do agree that too much air time is given to the Christmas soaps but, to be fair, I'm a real anti-soap person.
AI for Voyage Of The Damned is now in - a whopping 86!
So, looks like the public at large thought the show was bloody amazing!
Were I RTD, I think I'd be making a case for a pay-rise.
Regards,
Cypher
So, looks like the public at large thought the show was bloody amazing!
Were I RTD, I think I'd be making a case for a pay-rise.
Regards,
Cypher
Originally Posted by TimCypher:
“AI for Voyage Of The Damned is now in - a whopping 86!
So, looks like the public at large thought the show was bloody amazing!
Were I RTD, I think I'd be making a case for a pay-rise.
Regards,
Cypher”
“AI for Voyage Of The Damned is now in - a whopping 86!
So, looks like the public at large thought the show was bloody amazing!
Were I RTD, I think I'd be making a case for a pay-rise.
Regards,
Cypher”
Indeed. 86 is just amazing. It shows how all the negativity is from a vocal minority of 'cult' fans who hark for the B&W days of a past era. Stuck in Time a bit, if you pardon the pun.
Not sure if this is a valid parallel, but 86% of 13.8m people thought it was Excellent. So 11.87m will be coming back for Series 4.
Originally Posted by TimCypher:
“AI for Voyage Of The Damned is now in - a whopping 86! So, looks like the public at large thought the show was bloody amazing! Were I RTD, I think I'd be making a case for a pay-rise. Regards, Cypher”
“AI for Voyage Of The Damned is now in - a whopping 86! So, looks like the public at large thought the show was bloody amazing! Were I RTD, I think I'd be making a case for a pay-rise. Regards, Cypher”
That's great news Cypher. Any chance of some more info - do you know what a typical rating would be?
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“That's great news Cypher. Any chance of some more info - do you know what a typical rating would be?”
“That's great news Cypher. Any chance of some more info - do you know what a typical rating would be?”
This is a generaly guide:
The Appreciation Index, or AI, is a measure of how much the audience liked the programme. It is a score out of 100, based on responses from a carefully selected panel. The average score for drama on BBC1 and ITV1 is 77. A score in excess of 85 is regarded as excellent while a score below 60 is poor.
Originally Posted by TimCypher:
“AI for Voyage Of The Damned is now in - a whopping 86!
So, looks like the public at large thought the show was bloody amazing!
Were I RTD, I think I'd be making a case for a pay-rise.
Regards,
Cypher”
“AI for Voyage Of The Damned is now in - a whopping 86!
So, looks like the public at large thought the show was bloody amazing!
Were I RTD, I think I'd be making a case for a pay-rise.
Regards,
Cypher”
Impressive, especially given that the larger the audience size the more difficult it often becomes to maintain a high AI figure....
Originally Posted by rawly:
“Indeed. 86 is just amazing. It shows how all the negativity is from a vocal minority of 'cult' fans who hark for the B&W days of a past era. Stuck in Time a bit, if you pardon the pun.
Not sure if this is a valid parallel, but 86% of 13.8m people thought it was Excellent. So 11.87m will be coming back for Series 4.”
“Indeed. 86 is just amazing. It shows how all the negativity is from a vocal minority of 'cult' fans who hark for the B&W days of a past era. Stuck in Time a bit, if you pardon the pun.
Not sure if this is a valid parallel, but 86% of 13.8m people thought it was Excellent. So 11.87m will be coming back for Series 4.
”
Just a quick correction but the AI figure isn't actually a percentage.
Each member of the panel providing the AI figure give the programme a score out of ten. From these scores an average mark out of ten is obtained - which is then multiplied by ten to give the AI figure.
To put it simply - the average score given to VotD by all AI panel members was 8.6/10 - or 86/100.
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“I have to disgree. Wasn't so long ago Christmas Day was nothing more than repeats, old films and Noel's Christmas House Party. Now we're getting original dramas, new comedy shows and sit coms and family adventures like Doctor Who. From my perspective, Christmas Day telly has gotten better not worse.”
“I have to disgree. Wasn't so long ago Christmas Day was nothing more than repeats, old films and Noel's Christmas House Party. Now we're getting original dramas, new comedy shows and sit coms and family adventures like Doctor Who. From my perspective, Christmas Day telly has gotten better not worse.”
Anyone who thinks British telly is bad on Christmas Day should be sentenced to spend Christmas in North America, where the only new show is the Queen's message (and the Americans don't even get that!)
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