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Old 01-07-2003, 18:39
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I Want to know about how good dvda and sacd and what the differeneces are can you tell me
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Old 01-07-2003, 19:59
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Originally posted by nickgold
I Want to know about how good dvda and sacd and what the differeneces are can you tell me
Better quality m8

dvda = best
sacd = the 2nd best

lol

u need a special cd player for sacd but dvda u can play on any dvd player
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Old 01-07-2003, 22:48
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But are either of them really going anywhere or are they both doomed? After all, who wants to buy discs that won't work in any of your existing CD players, especially when most people seem to be happy with MP3 quality?

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Old 02-07-2003, 00:32
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But are either of them really going anywhere or are they both doomed? After all, who wants to buy discs that won't work in any of your existing CD players, especially when most people seem to be happy with MP3 quality?

Murray
well i can see dvda maybe killing of the cd with all its extras upto what cds can offer but it will take years 2 convert people
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Old 02-07-2003, 08:40
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This is an issue I went through myself when I was considering an upgrade to my DVD player. I eventually bought the Denon A1 which is DVD-A compatible. I then went out and bought a couple of DVD-A disks, eagles hotel california and fleetwood mac rumours.

The verdict, well, I have both on ordinary CD and compared them. The DVD-A sound is very 'different' and takes a bit of getting used to. After several plays I came to the conclusion that DVD-A is sharper and clearer, but the placement of instruments behind you is a little strange, like being on the stage rather that in front of the band. Still, I like it and intend to buy more.
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Old 03-07-2003, 01:01
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I only have 3 DVDAs (so far).....

Night At The Opera by Queen
The Game by Queen
Automqtic for The People by REM

And already I find it difficult to go back to listening to CDs.
Rather like DVDV and VHS.
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Old 03-07-2003, 12:47
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Ok I'm Very new,

What is DVDA is that the VHs version of the CD?

And could someone tell me if my new Dvd player Sharp Sdat50 will play them, had a little look tro the book could'nt see anything

And where can you get these DVDA? and how much?

Cheers
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Old 03-07-2003, 15:10
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DVD-A(udio) a possible replacment to CD.

Originally posted by KiCKeD
Better quality m8

dvda = best
sacd = the 2nd best


Debatable


u need a special cd player for sacd but dvda u can play on any dvd player
I thought there were 2 types DVD-A.
One that is superior quality and will only play on dedicated DVD-A players, this one has virtually the whole disc capacity dedicated to the audio and a small video content.
The other type is just a normal DVD with the audio remastered and encoded into multi channel, this one will play on any DVD player.

Of course you need a multi channel amp and 5.1 speakers to get the most out either format.
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Old 04-07-2003, 01:26
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Any DVD player will playback the DD5.1 audio from a DVD-A disk but to access the higher resolution DVD-Audio soudtrack you require dedicated hardware and that has been a facility only on more expensive hardware.
DVD-A and SACD are appearing on more and cheaper players but I don't see either format making a significant impact on CD sales. It wouldn't hurt if record companies had simultaneous releases on all formats and give the buyer a choice, harder to justify buying a DVD-A disk when you already have the CD.
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Old 04-07-2003, 01:44
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Originally posted by Herbal
Ok I'm Very new,

What is DVDA is that the VHs version of the CD?

And could someone tell me if my new Dvd player Sharp Sdat50 will play them, had a little look tro the book could'nt see anything

And where can you get these DVDA? and how much?

Cheers

DVD-A is a high resolution audio format, far superior to CD and standard DVD in sound reproduction. There is a FAQ on the Dolby website.
There is nothing on the Sharp website that indicates that the sdat50 will play DVD-A so it's reasonable to assume it won't.
Most of the larger music retailers should stock some disks and you'll find a decent selection from various online DVD retailers, Play have them for £12-£13 each
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Old 04-07-2003, 18:51
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Thanks for the reply Jarrak

What are the chances of my dvd player playin them tho, would it have to state that, or will it play them without stating. if you know what i mean.

Here's a link to my dvd player for anyone to help me out:

http://www.sharp.co.uk/products/product.asp?id=575
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Old 04-07-2003, 20:06
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Originally posted by Herbal
Thanks for the reply Jarrak

What are the chances of my dvd player playin them tho, would it have to state that, or will it play them without stating. if you know what i mean.

Here's a link to my dvd player for anyone to help me out:

http://www.sharp.co.uk/products/product.asp?id=575
i would say its got a 9.5/10 of playing cos my m8 has a CRAP alba dvd player from argos about £70 and it plays the few he has got.

just dvda aint popular yet so most dont say it will play it

if it dont play send it back
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Old 05-07-2003, 00:39
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Originally posted by Herbal
Thanks for the reply Jarrak

What are the chances of my dvd player playin them tho, would it have to state that, or will it play them without stating. if you know what i mean.

A DVD player will play a DVD-A disk but you will only be able to access the Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack and the Dolby 2.0 soundtrack. To access the DVD-A soundtrack you will need a DVD player with inbuilt DVD-A compatability and that is a premium feature so any manufacturer would make the facility obvious in it's marketing.
The Sharp website does not carry the DVD-Audio logo or any mention of that facility in the specs for your system.
So if you put in a DVD-A disk and it will play the DD5.1 soundtrack and the Stereo soundtrack but that is all.
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Old 05-07-2003, 01:39
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Originally posted by Jarrak
A DVD player will play a DVD-A disk but you will only be able to access the Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack and the Dolby 2.0 soundtrack. To access the DVD-A soundtrack you will need a DVD player with inbuilt DVD-A compatability and that is a premium feature so any manufacturer would make the facility obvious in it's marketing.
The Sharp website does not carry the DVD-Audio logo or any mention of that facility in the specs for your system.
So if you put in a DVD-A disk and it will play the DD5.1 soundtrack and the Stereo soundtrack but that is all.
if u read the back of the dvda cases it says it will play on any dvd player

e.g Linkin Park (one of my m8s i have borrowed)

dvda is only Audio DvD

e.g No pic but the Sound
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Old 05-07-2003, 01:48
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Originally posted by KiCKeD
if u read the back of the dvda cases it says it will play on any dvd player

e.g Linkin Park (one of my m8s i have borrowed)

dvda is only Audio DvD

e.g No pic but the Sound

Yes it will but the dedicated audio track that is written on the DVD to the DVD AUDIO specification (96khz/24 bit) can only be accessed by a DVD-AUDIO player. If you do not have a DVD-AUDIO player then you can only access the DD5.1 and DOLBY 2.0 soundtracks.

DVD-Audio is a specific format in it's own right and not a catch all label for audio that is present on standard DVD's.
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Old 05-07-2003, 02:12
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Originally posted by Jarrak
Yes it will but the dedicated audio track that is written on the DVD to the DVD AUDIO specification (96khz/24 bit) can only be accessed by a DVD-AUDIO player. If you do not have a DVD-AUDIO player then you can only access the DD5.1 and DOLBY 2.0 soundtracks.

DVD-Audio is a specific format in it's own right and not a catch all label for audio that is present on standard DVD's.
i think yur wrong but cant be arsed 2 find out 2night.

cos all the dvda discs my m8 has play just like a cd (but better quality)
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Old 06-07-2003, 12:19
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going to a surround-sound version of music is like making the original jump from mono to stereo - there's no doubting the brilliance of it.
many people who use seperates now own a unit capable of playing dvd/cds, but i'd argue both formats are near obsolete anyway (dvd is very old, despite its relative newness in adoption). the rise in formats such as mp3 (again very old now) show the way the market *should* be moving if they want the industry to survive, without relying on sueing everyone that uses them.
formats such as APE are completely lossless, yet still far smaller than a raw cd track - there's more again to support the ac3 surround tracks. why have a dvd sized unit to play an hour or two when a matchbox sized player can hold several times as many, at the same quality?

not too many artists have adopted surround sound yet, and until they work out ways to use it not many will. live sessions (such as the corrs - the first i got (purely for the sound, honest)) sound superb as it was recorded specifically for this system - unlike many of those available which as simply the original recordings with some poorly added audio features. without this support i don't see dvda taking off, and with dvds replacement (finally) nearing the light of day, i doubt it ever will. mp3 is starting to fade slightly (pretty much everyone who wants to use it already is, and many of them are moving to formats such as ogg vorbis for increased quality), and it too will eventually be replaced.
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Old 08-07-2003, 23:33
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Originally posted by Jarrak
Yes it will but the dedicated audio track that is written on the DVD to the DVD AUDIO specification (96khz/24 bit) can only be accessed by a DVD-AUDIO player. If you do not have a DVD-AUDIO player then you can only access the DD5.1 and DOLBY 2.0 soundtracks.

DVD-Audio is a specific format in it's own right and not a catch all label for audio that is present on standard DVD's.
Agree with this 100%. It's also worth adding that even if you have a DVD-A player, if you are using a separate AV amp/processor then (in nearly all cases) you will also need to run 6 analogue audio leads from the DVD-A player to the 5.1 analogue bypass on the amp/processor. This is because there is no standard for transmitting DVD-A (or SACD) signals digitally between player and amp.

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Old 09-07-2003, 09:29
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This is because there is no standard for transmitting DVD-A (or SACD) signals digitally between player and amp.
I thought you could use a type of firewire socket now.

Haven't these been recently introduced on top end players and amps.
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Old 10-07-2003, 22:12
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Originally posted by Kevo
I thought you could use a type of firewire socket now.

Haven't these been recently introduced on top end players and amps.
There are a few options - both Denon and Pioneer have methods for digitally transmitting DVD-A and I think Pioneer can also do SACD but there are certainly issues with things like bass management on SACD - I believe the Pioneer has to convert the SACD (DSD) signal to PCM.

Anyway, the point is that there is still no "standard" method as there is with DD/DTS and I believe the manufacturers (of DVD-A/SACD) are reluctant for this to happen because they are fearfull of the potential copying of DVD-A/SACD once it is possible to transmit this data digitally.

So, as it stands, with a couple of exceptions, DVD-A and SACD still has to be sent from player to amp via 5.1 analogue inputs.

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