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Old 27-12-2007, 16:38
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If X Factor stretches to another year, and I for one hope it doesn't as its not about a talent search- more a telethon for the judges:
one phone number- one vote.
So- people could not multiple vote for the prettiest/the cutest/the nicest/the most sympathy inducingest... etc etc.

Yes- it would still boil down to popularity over talent- BUT- it'd be a truer reflection of who the GBP (if there's no fiddling behind scenes) thinks deserving to win.

I know people will argue they won't consider it as it'd slash income for Mr Moneybags BUT- it it can be done- American Idol has free phone votes. You can imagine a whole nation of RSI sufferers as they press re-dial over and over!

They could make it vote for your favourite- OR vote off your least favourite- either way- one number one vote. Sorted.

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Old 27-12-2007, 16:43
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Voting for your least favourite wouldn't work because people may vote out the biggest threats for example in series 3, people may have voted for Leona to leave so that their favourite had a better chance of winning.

They should bring back text voting, and 1 text per housephone and 1 call per landline etc. It would work but I think the results would just end up the same anyway because a large portion of all fanbases will multivote.
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Old 27-12-2007, 16:43
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If X Factor stretches to another year, and I for one hope it doesn't as its not about a talent search- more a telethon for the judges:
one phone number- one vote.
So- people could not multiple vote for the prettiest/the cutest/the nicest/the most sympathy inducingest... etc etc.

Yes- it would still boil down to popularity over talent- BUT- it'd be a truer reflection of who the GBP (if there's no fiddling behind scenes) thinks deserving to win.

I know people will argue they won't consider it as it'd slash income for Mr Moneybags BUT- it it can be done- American Idol has free phone votes. You can imagine a whole nation of RSI sufferers as they press re-dial over and over!

They could make it vote for your favourite- OR vote off your least favourite- either way- one number one vote. Sorted.

Oh and Happy New Year everyone by the way and hope Santa was good to you!!
It has been talked about before but there is no way that they would do anything to reduce their phone revenue.

Also, although it would give you a fairer representation of popularity in terms of how many people support each act as you admit yourself it does not stop people voting for reasons other than talent.

There is also the issue that it would favour those who live alone with more than one phone (inc mobiles) over a family who have only their land lines.
Overall though I think it would be better, but it ain't gonna happen
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Old 27-12-2007, 16:44
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Voting for your least favourite wouldn't work because people may vote out the biggest threats for example in series 3, people may have voted for Leona to leave so that their favourite had a better chance of winning.
Indeed and it is also not about finding out who is the least unpopuar but who is the most popular and that can be two different people (acts).
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Old 27-12-2007, 16:52
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Indeed and it is also not about finding out who is the least unpopuar but who is the most popular and that can be two different people (acts).
Maybe that could be got round by 1 vote per contestant per landline?
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Old 27-12-2007, 16:55
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Maybe that could be got round by 1 vote per contestant per landline?
that's really a different point. Even if you had one vote per land line. Voting for the person you most want to leave each week, would probably leave you with a different winner than if you voted for the person you liked best.
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Old 27-12-2007, 16:56
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Indeed and it is also not about finding out who is the least unpopuar but who is the most popular and that can be two different people (acts).
And then there is the point that under a system where one votes for their least favorite to go Rhydian would have been out the first week...not a great system in which case.

The system may not be perfect as it is, but the idea of restructuring it isn't a great one, imho. One phone number one vote would be very unfair on a household that has fans of different acts for one thing.

Plus the multiple voting thing is something that happens across the board from a minority of fans. To try and attribute this trend to a 'certain kind' of fan is incorrect.
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Old 27-12-2007, 17:01
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that's really a different point. Even if you had one vote per land line. Voting for the person you most want to leave each week, would probably leave you with a different winner than if you voted for the person you liked best.
I'm on about voting to save, 1 vote per line

I don't agree with voting to eliminate. Thats *best* left to Big Brother.
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Old 27-12-2007, 17:06
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I'm on about voting to save, 1 vote per line

I don't agree with voting to eliminate. Thats *best* left to Big Brother.
That's how I think e should choose the new London Mayor. Stick them in the BB house and let us watch them doing tasks and vote them off
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Old 27-12-2007, 17:06
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And then there is the point that under a system where one votes for their least favorite to go Rhydian would have been out the first week...not a great system in which case.

The system may not be perfect as it is, but the idea of restructuring it isn't a great one, imho. One phone number one vote would be very unfair on a household that has fans of different acts for one thing.

Plus the multiple voting thing is something that happens across the board from a minority of fans. To try and attribute this trend to a 'certain kind' of fan is incorrect.
Totally agree.

Prior to PI it was intended to vote out least favourite but it became evident that is was going to be corrupted so fairly late on they opted for favourite vote. Reported at time of change of plan. It is so much better as martmite acts like Rhydian would leave early & bland acts which nobody cares about would stay to the end. Multiple voting happens for all acts you only need to look at the appreciation threads. For vast majority of audience voting is restricted to later shows & then only a few to register their preference. It is the 'total' of the casual mass audience votes which gives you the winner not mass voting by a minority of fans.
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Old 27-12-2007, 17:12
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Totally agree.

Prior to PI it was intended to vote out least favourite but it became evident that is was going to be corrupted so fairly late on they opted for favourite vote. Reported at time of change of plan. It is so much better as martmite acts like Rhydian would leave early & bland acts which nobody cares about would stay to the end.
The final this year would probably have been made up of Futureproof, Beverley and Kimberley if it had been based on a vote to evict style system. I don't see how anyone could think that would have made for a more satisfactory final than the one we had this year...
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Old 27-12-2007, 17:15
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The final this year would probably have been made up of Futureproof, Beverley and Kimberley if it had been based on a vote to evict style system. I don't see how anyone could think that would have made for a more satisfactory final than the one we had this year...
This year, Rhydian would have gone first, shortly followed by Niki and then Hope. Kimberley might have gone quite soon as she was good vocally and some people would have found her extremely irritating.
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Old 27-12-2007, 17:18
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This year, Rhydian would have gone first, shortly followed by Niki and then Hope. Kimberley might have gone quite soon as she was good vocally and some people would have found her extremely irritating.
Possibly you right on that front. Might have been Andy then? But I think the point is much the same.
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Old 27-12-2007, 17:40
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I would suspect that a big portion of the revenue raised from the phone votes cover the cost of the show. This is certainly the case with I'm a Celebrity so stands to reason it is similar for this. That added with the profit made i can't see that they would decide to reduce this revenue.
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Old 27-12-2007, 17:54
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I agree with the one vote per household.

1 vote per mobile phone number.

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Old 27-12-2007, 17:56
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I agree with the one vote per household.

1 vote per mobile phone number.

As I've said, what do you say to a family which only has access to one phone line that does not want to vote for the same act?
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Old 27-12-2007, 18:31
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If X Factor stretches to another year, and I for one hope it doesn't as its not about a talent search- more a telethon for the judges:
one phone number- one vote.
So- people could not multiple vote for the prettiest/the cutest/the nicest/the most sympathy inducingest... etc etc.

Yes- it would still boil down to popularity over talent- BUT- it'd be a truer reflection of who the GBP (if there's no fiddling behind scenes) thinks deserving to win.

I know people will argue they won't consider it as it'd slash income for Mr Moneybags BUT- it it can be done- American Idol has free phone votes. You can imagine a whole nation of RSI sufferers as they press re-dial over and over!

They could make it vote for your favourite- OR vote off your least favourite- either way- one number one vote. Sorted.

Oh and Happy New Year everyone by the way and hope Santa was good to you!!
But we have a genuine winner!
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Old 27-12-2007, 18:41
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As I've said, what do you say to a family which only has access to one phone line that does not want to vote for the same act?
You could do one vote per line easily enough. So if every member of the family wanted to vote for someone different, then they could, you just couldn't dial the same number twice.

The unfair situation is actually the one where a family DO want to vote for the same act. If you've got two people who like someone and want to make a single vote for them each, why should they be disqualified from that just because they live in the same house and don't have a mobile?

But it's all theoretical, anyway. X Factor won't do anything because a) it would cost them money, and b) it would be to admit there might be a problem with the current system.
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Old 27-12-2007, 19:07
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But we have a genuine winner!
Hopefully every year we've had a genuine winner- i.e. the one with the most votes- and Leon would have got mine this year if I'd have watched; I mean one person could not vote 50 times for the same person- which gives an exaggerated reflection of the person's popularity.
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