HD DVD Obsolete - Sony planning Blu Ray offers for HD DVD Owners

wavejockglw · 09-01-2008, 20:37

It is reported that after Warner Bros committed to BluRay excusively that Paramount look like following suit. That leaves just Universal out on a limb supporting dead duck HD DVD.

It has been reported from CES that Sony aand their BluRay partners are planning to offer a discount package to HD DVD owners who will be left with obsolete junk to upgrade to BluRay hardware at special rates. They are also considering a trade-in scheme for previously purchaced HD DVD discs.

Well that seems to be that then....

digibod · 09-01-2008, 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by wavejockglw

It is reported that after Warner Bros committed to BluRay excusively that Paramount look like following suit. That leaves just Universal out on a limb supporting dead duck HD DVD.

It has been reported from CES that Sony aand their BluRay partners are planning to offer a discount package to HD DVD owners who will be left with obsolete junk to upgrade to BluRay hardware at special rates. They are also considering a trade-in scheme for previously purchaced HD DVD discs.

Well that seems to be that then....

very noble of them

wavejockglw · 09-01-2008, 20:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by digibod

very noble of them

I thought so.....

I got nothing from JVC when their VHS format triumphed over the betamax system I bought!

niall campbell · 09-01-2008, 20:48

cant believe it, toshiba have them dirt cheap , first out in numbers and they still lose

microsoft ? did no hdmi on xbox 360 kill it ?

maybe a hybrid model can come out of it , restore toshibas pride ?

wavejockglw · 09-01-2008, 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by niall campbell

cant believe it, toshiba have them dirt cheap , first out in numbers and they still lose

microsoft ? did no hdmi on xbox 360 kill it ?

maybe a hybrid model can come out of it , restore toshibas pride ?

No point in a hybrid if studios only plan on releasing titles on BluRay.

HD DVD now joins Elcaset, 8-Track, Laservision and Betamax as big mistake for the developer and the customers who bought into it.

stvn758 · 09-01-2008, 22:14

DVD Audio - what happened to that.

Another one bites the dust,

dennisspooner · 09-01-2008, 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by wavejockglw

No point in a hybrid if studios only plan on releasing titles on BluRay.

HD DVD now joins Elcaset, 8-Track, Laservision and Betamax as big mistake for the developer and the customers who bought into it.

Laserdisc was excellent.

It allowed those of us who bought into it to enjoy nearly dvd quality years before dvd came out when mugs were still paying £13 for VHS.

While the LD titles available in the UK were small in numbers the US catalogue was huge and there was no region coding.

I dont regret enjoying LD for one second.

It showed up VHS for the crap quality that it was

eddiewood · 10-01-2008, 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by wavejockglw

It has been reported from CES that Sony aand their BluRay partners are planning to offer a discount package to HD DVD owners who will be left with obsolete junk to upgrade to BluRay hardware at special rates. They are also considering a trade-in scheme for previously purchaced HD DVD discs.

Well that seems to be that then....

I bet that only applies to the US & Canada though. Outside of North America and you get left out of things like this.

clive4 · 10-01-2008, 10:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by wavejockglw

I thought so.....

I got nothing from JVC when their VHS format triumphed over the betamax system I bought!

But Betamax was far superior to VHS: the BBC continued to use it for many many years.

bobcar · 10-01-2008, 10:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by clive4

But Betamax was far superior to VHS: the BBC continued to use it for many many years.

Betamax was superior to VHS, but the Betamax that the BBC used was not the same Betamax as we used at home.

Nigel Goodwin · 10-01-2008, 11:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobcar

Betamax was superior to VHS, but the Betamax that the BBC used was not the same Betamax as we used at home.

No, it was Betacam - not Betamax.

Betamax was only very slightly better than VHS, Betacam is a full professional recording format, which happens to use similar looking (but different) tapes.

Chorlton Fisher · 10-01-2008, 11:21

I really can't see Sony offering cut price Blu-ray players or discs to HD-DVD owners. Unless it's a really long-term strategy to eventually recoup their losses from royalties on the discs. Would I be right in saying they get a royalty from each Blu-ray disc sold as the inventor, like Philips did with CDs?

soulboy77 · 10-01-2008, 14:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chorlton Fisher

I really can't see Sony offering cut price Blu-ray players or discs to HD-DVD owners. Unless it's a really long-term strategy to eventually recoup their losses from royalties on the discs. Would I be right in saying they get a royalty from each Blu-ray disc sold as the inventor, like Philips did with CDs?

Why not? It's a good publicity ploy and helps promote the 'view' in the consumer's mind that the HD-DVD format is dead. It will be a discount not a freebie on Blu-ray goods and Sony will easily recoup any losses over the long term by the fact of Blu-ray becoming dominant.

Chorlton Fisher · 10-01-2008, 14:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by soulboy77

Why not? It's a good publicity ploy and helps promote the 'view' in the consumer's mind that the HD-DVD format is dead. It will be a discount not a freebie on Blu-ray goods and Sony will easily recoup any losses over the long term by the fact of Blu-ray becoming dominant.

Now Toshiba have stopped making cassette players perhaps Sony will give me a discount on a CD player?

Mark C · 11-01-2008, 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

No, it was Betacam - not Betamax.

Betamax was only very slightly better than VHS, Betacam is a full professional recording format, which happens to use similar looking (but different) tapes.

The oxide tapes were interchangable. I used old BetaCam tapes in my BetaMax recorder, and the results were excellent.

Also knew of TV news cameramen who if they ran short of Betacam tapes, would pop into the nearest Dixons or Woolies and buy an HG BetaMax tape !

Linear tape speed on BetaCam is 6 times that of BetaMax, so a 20 min Cam tape, played for 2 hours on Max.

chriswatts · 11-01-2008, 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by digibod

very noble of them

Yes, all you've got to do is sell your soul to Sony. The only reason Blu-ray gets a lot of support is that unlike HD DVD it's region coded so the film companies can do multiple film releases in different regions and probably end up charging the UK far more than the US for Blu-ray if HD DVD does die.

Bill Gates is actually right for once HD DVD is best system for the consumer.

davidweller · 11-01-2008, 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by dennisspooner

Laserdisc was excellent.

It allowed those of us who bought into it to enjoy nearly dvd quality years before dvd came out when mugs were still paying £13 for VHS.

While the LD titles available in the UK were small in numbers the US catalogue was huge and there was no region coding.

I dont regret enjoying LD for one second.

It showed up VHS for the crap quality that it was

Quite agree.

And to add that Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS audio were available on a large number of (US) LaserDiscs 3 to 4 years before DVD.

deadline · 11-01-2008, 18:18

Is there any evidence yet that the Blu Ray has the power to kill its predecessor the DVD?

Super audio CD has never replaced the CD

and Video didn't kill the radio star.

I'm looking forward to snapping up some cheap HD DVD's as retailers ditch there stock in the near future though!

Demon_Knight · 11-01-2008, 18:28

Universal dropping HD-DVD too after their contract runs out in a few months.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR111...goryid=20&cs=1

chriswatts · 11-01-2008, 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by deadline

Is there any evidence yet that the Blu Ray has the power to kill its predecessor the DVD?

No chance what so ever, that's the problem both formats have at the moment, little interest in either compared to DVD. It looks like people are waiting for this whole Blu-ray/HD DVD situation to sort itself out before switching from DVD.

eddiewood · 11-01-2008, 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demon_Knight

Universal dropping HD-DVD too after their contract runs out in a few months.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR111...goryid=20&cs=1

The Universal contract runs out at the end of January according to a CES2008 report. Could be as soon as 1st February that they announce dual format.

Paramount/Dreamworks still have until October or so I guess, that's about the time last year they dropped Blu-ray IIRC. But the FT said that they have a get-out clause if Warner went Blu-ray.

Since the Warner move I am not aware of any press release where Microsoft, Universal or Paramount have said that they will not use Blu-ray. Speaks for itself really.

All pure speculation, we shall see soon enough!

digibod · 11-01-2008, 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by eddiewood

The Universal contract runs out at the end of January according to a CES2008 report. Could be as soon as 1st February that they announce dual format.

Paramount/Dreamworks still have until October or so I guess, that's about the time last year they dropped Blu-ray IIRC. But the FT said that they have a get-out clause if Warner went Blu-ray.

Since the Warner move I am not aware of any press release where Microsoft, Universal or Paramount have said that they will not use Blu-ray. Speaks for itself really.

All pure speculation, we shall see soon enough!

going to be eventful couple of months

eddiewood · 11-01-2008, 19:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by chriswatts

No chance what so ever, that's the problem both formats have at the moment, little interest in either compared to DVD. It looks like people are waiting for this whole Blu-ray/HD DVD situation to sort itself out before switching from DVD.

There is little interest because the vast majority of people still have a CRT

digibod · 11-01-2008, 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by eddiewood

There is little interest because the vast majority of people still have a CRT

do they though, where i live, you can see them all through the front windows

ok my wifes nan has a crt but she is over seventy

eddiewood · 11-01-2008, 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by digibod

do they though, where i live, you can see them all through the front windows

ok my wifes nan has a crt but she is over seventy

Most of the people I know see no reason to spend hard-earned money on a HDTV until their perfectly good CRT blows up. Why should they?

They aren't the sort of people that want one to impress their mates at the pub or have it on view so the neighbours can see it. They just want a telly that works and could not care less about 1080p, AV amps and HD players etc.

09-01-2008, 20:37	#1
wavejockglw Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 10,276	HD DVD Obsolete - Sony planning Blu Ray offers for HD DVD Owners It is reported that after Warner Bros committed to BluRay excusively that Paramount look like following suit. That leaves just Universal out on a limb supporting dead duck HD DVD. It has been reported from CES that Sony aand their BluRay partners are planning to offer a discount package to HD DVD owners who will be left with obsolete junk to upgrade to BluRay hardware at special rates. They are also considering a trade-in scheme for previously purchaced HD DVD discs. Well that seems to be that then....

09-01-2008, 20:38	#2
digibod Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 4,305	Quote: Originally Posted by wavejockglw It is reported that after Warner Bros committed to BluRay excusively that Paramount look like following suit. That leaves just Universal out on a limb supporting dead duck HD DVD. It has been reported from CES that Sony aand their BluRay partners are planning to offer a discount package to HD DVD owners who will be left with obsolete junk to upgrade to BluRay hardware at special rates. They are also considering a trade-in scheme for previously purchaced HD DVD discs. Well that seems to be that then.... very noble of them

09-01-2008, 20:40	#3
wavejockglw Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 10,276	Quote: Originally Posted by digibod very noble of them I thought so..... I got nothing from JVC when their VHS format triumphed over the betamax system I bought!

09-01-2008, 20:48	#4
niall campbell Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Aberfeldy Posts: 7,035	cant believe it, toshiba have them dirt cheap , first out in numbers and they still lose microsoft ? did no hdmi on xbox 360 kill it ? maybe a hybrid model can come out of it , restore toshibas pride ?

09-01-2008, 22:05	#5
wavejockglw Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 10,276	Quote: Originally Posted by niall campbell cant believe it, toshiba have them dirt cheap , first out in numbers and they still lose microsoft ? did no hdmi on xbox 360 kill it ? maybe a hybrid model can come out of it , restore toshibas pride ? No point in a hybrid if studios only plan on releasing titles on BluRay. HD DVD now joins Elcaset, 8-Track, Laservision and Betamax as big mistake for the developer and the customers who bought into it.

09-01-2008, 22:14	#6
stvn758 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 17,338	DVD Audio - what happened to that. Another one bites the dust,

09-01-2008, 22:20	#7
dennisspooner Banned User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,153	Quote: Originally Posted by wavejockglw No point in a hybrid if studios only plan on releasing titles on BluRay. HD DVD now joins Elcaset, 8-Track, Laservision and Betamax as big mistake for the developer and the customers who bought into it. Laserdisc was excellent. It allowed those of us who bought into it to enjoy nearly dvd quality years before dvd came out when mugs were still paying £13 for VHS. While the LD titles available in the UK were small in numbers the US catalogue was huge and there was no region coding. I dont regret enjoying LD for one second. It showed up VHS for the crap quality that it was

10-01-2008, 00:19	#8
eddiewood Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,400	Quote: Originally Posted by wavejockglw It has been reported from CES that Sony aand their BluRay partners are planning to offer a discount package to HD DVD owners who will be left with obsolete junk to upgrade to BluRay hardware at special rates. They are also considering a trade-in scheme for previously purchaced HD DVD discs. Well that seems to be that then.... I bet that only applies to the US & Canada though. Outside of North America and you get left out of things like this.

10-01-2008, 10:07	#9
clive4 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 383	Quote: Originally Posted by wavejockglw I thought so..... I got nothing from JVC when their VHS format triumphed over the betamax system I bought! But Betamax was far superior to VHS: the BBC continued to use it for many many years.

10-01-2008, 10:40	#10
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by clive4 But Betamax was far superior to VHS: the BBC continued to use it for many many years. Betamax was superior to VHS, but the Betamax that the BBC used was not the same Betamax as we used at home.

10-01-2008, 11:09	#11
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by bobcar Betamax was superior to VHS, but the Betamax that the BBC used was not the same Betamax as we used at home. No, it was Betacam - not Betamax. Betamax was only very slightly better than VHS, Betacam is a full professional recording format, which happens to use similar looking (but different) tapes.

10-01-2008, 11:21	#12
Chorlton Fisher Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Posts: 3,104	I really can't see Sony offering cut price Blu-ray players or discs to HD-DVD owners. Unless it's a really long-term strategy to eventually recoup their losses from royalties on the discs. Would I be right in saying they get a royalty from each Blu-ray disc sold as the inventor, like Philips did with CDs?

10-01-2008, 14:03	#13
soulboy77 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Herts Posts: 17,005	Quote: Originally Posted by Chorlton Fisher I really can't see Sony offering cut price Blu-ray players or discs to HD-DVD owners. Unless it's a really long-term strategy to eventually recoup their losses from royalties on the discs. Would I be right in saying they get a royalty from each Blu-ray disc sold as the inventor, like Philips did with CDs? Why not? It's a good publicity ploy and helps promote the 'view' in the consumer's mind that the HD-DVD format is dead. It will be a discount not a freebie on Blu-ray goods and Sony will easily recoup any losses over the long term by the fact of Blu-ray becoming dominant.

10-01-2008, 14:10	#14
Chorlton Fisher Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Posts: 3,104	Quote: Originally Posted by soulboy77 Why not? It's a good publicity ploy and helps promote the 'view' in the consumer's mind that the HD-DVD format is dead. It will be a discount not a freebie on Blu-ray goods and Sony will easily recoup any losses over the long term by the fact of Blu-ray becoming dominant. Now Toshiba have stopped making cassette players perhaps Sony will give me a discount on a CD player?

11-01-2008, 12:18	#15
Mark C Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hampshire Posts: 8,102	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin No, it was Betacam - not Betamax. Betamax was only very slightly better than VHS, Betacam is a full professional recording format, which happens to use similar looking (but different) tapes. The oxide tapes were interchangable. I used old BetaCam tapes in my BetaMax recorder, and the results were excellent. Also knew of TV news cameramen who if they ran short of Betacam tapes, would pop into the nearest Dixons or Woolies and buy an HG BetaMax tape ! Linear tape speed on BetaCam is 6 times that of BetaMax, so a 20 min Cam tape, played for 2 hours on Max.

11-01-2008, 13:55	#16
chriswatts Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 537	Quote: Originally Posted by digibod very noble of them Yes, all you've got to do is sell your soul to Sony. The only reason Blu-ray gets a lot of support is that unlike HD DVD it's region coded so the film companies can do multiple film releases in different regions and probably end up charging the UK far more than the US for Blu-ray if HD DVD does die. Bill Gates is actually right for once HD DVD is best system for the consumer.

11-01-2008, 17:35	#17
davidweller Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wallington, Surrey Posts: 6,960	Quote: Originally Posted by dennisspooner Laserdisc was excellent. It allowed those of us who bought into it to enjoy nearly dvd quality years before dvd came out when mugs were still paying £13 for VHS. While the LD titles available in the UK were small in numbers the US catalogue was huge and there was no region coding. I dont regret enjoying LD for one second. It showed up VHS for the crap quality that it was Quite agree. And to add that Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS audio were available on a large number of (US) LaserDiscs 3 to 4 years before DVD.

11-01-2008, 18:18	#18
deadline Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 571	Is there any evidence yet that the Blu Ray has the power to kill its predecessor the DVD? Super audio CD has never replaced the CD and Video didn't kill the radio star. I'm looking forward to snapping up some cheap HD DVD's as retailers ditch there stock in the near future though!

11-01-2008, 18:28	#19
Demon_Knight Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 538	Universal dropping HD-DVD too after their contract runs out in a few months. http://www.variety.com/article/VR111...goryid=20&cs=1

11-01-2008, 18:50	#20
chriswatts Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 537	Quote: Originally Posted by deadline Is there any evidence yet that the Blu Ray has the power to kill its predecessor the DVD? No chance what so ever, that's the problem both formats have at the moment, little interest in either compared to DVD. It looks like people are waiting for this whole Blu-ray/HD DVD situation to sort itself out before switching from DVD.

11-01-2008, 19:00	#21
eddiewood Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,400	Quote: Originally Posted by Demon_Knight Universal dropping HD-DVD too after their contract runs out in a few months. http://www.variety.com/article/VR111...goryid=20&cs=1 The Universal contract runs out at the end of January according to a CES2008 report. Could be as soon as 1st February that they announce dual format. Paramount/Dreamworks still have until October or so I guess, that's about the time last year they dropped Blu-ray IIRC. But the FT said that they have a get-out clause if Warner went Blu-ray. Since the Warner move I am not aware of any press release where Microsoft, Universal or Paramount have said that they will not use Blu-ray. Speaks for itself really. All pure speculation, we shall see soon enough!

DS Forums

HD DVD Obsolete - Sony planning Blu Ray offers for HD DVD Owners

11-01-2008, 19:01	#22
digibod Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 4,305	Quote: Originally Posted by eddiewood The Universal contract runs out at the end of January according to a CES2008 report. Could be as soon as 1st February that they announce dual format. Paramount/Dreamworks still have until October or so I guess, that's about the time last year they dropped Blu-ray IIRC. But the FT said that they have a get-out clause if Warner went Blu-ray. Since the Warner move I am not aware of any press release where Microsoft, Universal or Paramount have said that they will not use Blu-ray. Speaks for itself really. All pure speculation, we shall see soon enough! going to be eventful couple of months

11-01-2008, 19:04	#23
eddiewood Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,400	Quote: Originally Posted by chriswatts No chance what so ever, that's the problem both formats have at the moment, little interest in either compared to DVD. It looks like people are waiting for this whole Blu-ray/HD DVD situation to sort itself out before switching from DVD. There is little interest because the vast majority of people still have a CRT

11-01-2008, 19:07	#24
digibod Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 4,305	Quote: Originally Posted by eddiewood There is little interest because the vast majority of people still have a CRT do they though, where i live, you can see them all through the front windows ok my wifes nan has a crt but she is over seventy

11-01-2008, 20:01	#25
eddiewood Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,400	Quote: Originally Posted by digibod do they though, where i live, you can see them all through the front windows ok my wifes nan has a crt but she is over seventy Most of the people I know see no reason to spend hard-earned money on a HDTV until their perfectly good CRT blows up. Why should they? They aren't the sort of people that want one to impress their mates at the pub or have it on view so the neighbours can see it. They just want a telly that works and could not care less about 1080p, AV amps and HD players etc.