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#151 |
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It doesn't mean that people who worry about chickens don't worry about other things. It really annoys me that people assume that as a vegan and animal rights advocate I don't care about people. Not true at all, I want the world to be a better place for everyone human and non human.
It is a ridiculous proposition to say that just because there is more than one despicable practice going on at any one time, that unless we can fix them all at once, we should do nothing about any of them. And equally stupid to say that if there are practices which some perceive more despicable than others, then people are precluded from camapaining against the practices which are percieved less despicable until the more despicable ones are sorted out. Jamie and Hugh's programmes have highlighted a horrible practice which relates directly to their area of expertise. The programmes will hopefully cause peolpe to be more selective in their shopping. I would equally welcome a programme from the fashion industry, or anyone for that matter, which highlights the problems with poor working conditions and sweat shops. There are already a number of iniatives out there to help with this problem and which have already got people thinking. |
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well said above.
we all know we can't change everything all at once, but with enough information, we can make informed choices, and if we still have to choose in a way that is less than ethical, at least we KNOW that and our conciences are pricked when we do it, if all of us just changed what we can, then slowly but surely things WILL change. I buy nearly ALL my clothes in primark, I realise they are made cheaply abroad, but budgeting in this way always me to exercise my conscience and buy free range , organic, and british food!! on income support I can't do it all, but I can do what I can, and live in hope that others with more can help change the things I cant. |
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The people in skint are predominantly there because of drug and alcohol abuse, self inflicted reasons. Vernon could get a job, he chooses to busk.
As for the rest of the post maybe you should educate yourself to the alternatives to mass produced clothes be 'gadgets'. |
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The people in skint are predominantly there because of drug and alcohol abuse, self inflicted reasons. Vernon could get a job, he chooses to busk.
As for the rest of the post maybe you should educate yourself to the alternatives to mass produced clothes be 'gadgets'. |
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What a load of rubbish.
The living wage in Bangladesh is calculated at £22 a month and some of these workers as young as 13 are paid £8 a month for a 60 hour week. Life is hard for most people in many countries, it's not all sitting on your backside posting on websites. It's reality, and closing down clothing factories is not going to make things better. |
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It doesn't mean that people who worry about chickens don't worry about other things. It really annoys me that people assume that as a vegan and animal rights advocate I don't care about people. Not true at all, I want the world to be a better place for everyone human and non human.
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Mental health problems? You obviously haven't watched it then. Go rake through other peoples posts to find out what it is about.
Here is a starter for 10, people who can't get bank accounts. As for your clothes, you dont buy from primark, but you have done? The hypocrite machine has just exploded after that comment. |
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The thing is, veggies are 100% veggies. It tends to be an absolute position, they just NEVER eat meat. Do veggies have the same 100% attitude to clothes and (my bete noir) chocolate where child-slavery and sweat-shop conditions apply?
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Most of the vegan chocolate that you can buy is Fairtrade. It would actually be MORE difficult to try and get vegan products that weren't.
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There was hardly any free range chicken left in my Sainsbury's today. Usually I have loads of choice of the Free Range chicken breasts I always buy, but today just 3 packets left!!
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It seems like the message is getting out there, just got back from Sainsbury's and there wasn't a free range chicken left in the shop, four (yes that many!) empty shelves where the whole free range chickens used to be and no portions left either. There were still shelves full of the broiler chickens tho, but it was interesting to see how many people walked away without any chicken when they couldn't get a free range
We popped into Tesco and Somerfield. There was no free range in either. However other than in Tesco for one product line there was no shelf labels for free range or organic. Now whether they took the labels off when they had sold out and simply filled the rest of the shelves with the cheap standard ones I don't know, but there was shelves of cheap chicken and they wasn't getting picked up and put in the trolley anywhere near as fast as before. In Somerfield I noticed more people selecting free range - and even having a read of the packaging more. |
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Oh dear.
I have watched Skint as I explicitly said in my comment. Do you have difficulty in comprehension? Vernon is in and out of psychiatric units in Birmingham, as mentioned in the programme. |
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Yes, as a result of being wrongly accused of murder.
Anyway, sorry for taking the thread off topic. Factory farmed chickens-wrong on lots of different levels. Unfortunately it's a practice that goes on with many animals and people should vote with their wallets and not buy the stuff. |
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Yes, as a result of being wrongly accused of murder.
Now come on folks there are very few people out there homeless of their own volition, the vast majority are homeless for all sorts of reasons, not all of them their own doing. In an ideal world we'd all be attractive, intelligent people from loving family backgrounds, earning pots of money in nice jobs - reality is a whole different ballgame and I for one can't condemn those that find it difficult to cope. Anyway that's a whole different topic. As far a cheap clothes are concerned I was told recently by a Bangladeshi that a lot of the kids employed in sweatshops would be starving on the streets otherwise, and the best thing we could do was to buy the clothing but also lobby the powers that be to help these kids in other ways. |
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I know poor families that struggle to afford any chicken free range or not. It's just not true that people 'could afford decent meat if they really wanted to'. People on low incomes have to make compromises much of the time to pay the bills and keep a roof over their heads. I'm sure their priorities lie with their children and not the welfare of their food.
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Hi,
Could anyone tell me what 'Jamie's Fowl Dinners' (I think it was called), was about? I remember reading about the programme in the TV magazine, but forgot to watch it. ![]() ![]() Edit: Just saw a thread about it on the forum. |
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I think a large number of people could afford free range meat, for example, on the Chicken Run programme there are men drinking pints in the pub saying they can't afford to buy free range...they can however afford pints of beer?! That's fair enough for them to choose to drink beer instead of eat free range chicken but the fact remains if they cared enough about free range chicken, they'd use that money to buy it instead of drink. Some people just cant afford to spend what they simply don't have, and that's unfortunate for anyone...but it's those who can afford luxuries and then claim 'they cant afford to buy free range' who really annoy me...the fact is, they actually just don't WANT to buy it.
The thing that most disturbed me on the Chicken Run programme was not just the conditions the intensive chickens were kept in, but moreso the way Hugh picked up one of the fresh chickens on the supermarket shelf and could identify burns where the bird had suffered from sitting in its own excrement. When you can see the effects like that when you pick it off the shelf, you know exactly what you're putting on your dinner table. Last edited by Lollapalooza : 12-01-2008 at 18:54. Reason: typo |
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There was hardly any free range chicken left in my Sainsbury's today. Usually I have loads of choice of the Free Range chicken breasts I always buy, but today just 3 packets left!!
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As in my other post, think in the other thread.
We popped into Tesco and Somerfield. There was no free range in either. However other than in Tesco for one product line there was no shelf labels for free range or organic. Now whether they took the labels off when they had sold out and simply filled the rest of the shelves with the cheap standard ones I don't know, but there was shelves of cheap chicken and they wasn't getting picked up and put in the trolley anywhere near as fast as before. In Somerfield I noticed more people selecting free range - and even having a read of the packaging more. I'm going to ask the butcher for a free range bird this week, and try to keep my money away from the supermarkets - I hope their free range demands have gone up - I'll certainly be asking him!
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I'm sure their priorities lie with their children and not the welfare of their food.
It might be good for your wallet, but it certainly isn't any good for your children. |
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This is really encouraging to read.
I'm going to ask the butcher for a free range bird this week, and try to keep my money away from the supermarkets - I hope their free range demands have gone up - I'll certainly be asking him! ![]() Just noticed my post did seem to contradict itself a little though. The last sentence was meant to include the word eggs. In Somerfield I noticed more people selecting free range EGGS- and even having a read of the packaging more. (There was no free range chickens or organic on the shelves in Somerfield - It was late in the afternoon I went). |
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And very nice chocolates they are too!
![]() JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE VEGANS, DOES NOT MEAN THEY DO NOT LIKE SUGAR. |
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I know poor families that struggle to afford any chicken free range or not. It's just not true that people 'could afford decent meat if they really wanted to'. People on low incomes have to make compromises much of the time to pay the bills and keep a roof over their heads. I'm sure their priorities lie with their children and not the welfare of their food.
Lots of love, Cilla "Fish Loving" Black. |
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I watched Jamie's show last night. Going to rethink all my meat buying. Not going to be able to afford buying all organic right away, but will see how I get on. Might not be that bad.
Having said that - I agree with a previous post. I'm saying I'll not be able to afford all organic, but I always have enough £ for a night out. |
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This is total craaaap. There is no rule that says "MUST EAT CHICKEN! MUST EAT CHICKEN". If people are so desperate for cheap animal protein, why don't they just buy fish? The frozen stuff out of the north atlantic IS A STEAL!
Lots of love, Cilla "Fish Loving" Black. How can you trust the origin of ANY of your food unless you grow it or farm it all yourself? Simple, you can't. |
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I decided tonight that I'm never going to eat meat again.
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