HD ready v 'full HD'

davidaw · 13-01-2008, 14:34

It's been getting on 2 years since I bought my HD ready TV so I may be out of touch but.....

My in-laws want to get a new TV & Sky HD so visited the local Panasonic shop.

They were told that there are HD ready sets but that 'full HD' is something different and that that is only available from 40" upwards.

Is this true?

It sounds like bollards to me but I may be out of date.

Pete Baker. · 13-01-2008, 14:39

Full HD is a higher pic resolution of 1080, which has over 2 million pixels, compared to standard "HD Ready" which is usually just over 1 million, so there's a noticable difference on bigger panels.

davidaw · 13-01-2008, 15:01

Thanks Pete

So what is the output from Sky HD or a Blueray player?

Does it utilise this higher resolution?

Just wondering if this full HD is value for money, assuming it's more expensive than HD ready.

Pete Baker. · 13-01-2008, 15:10

Sky HD will output 1080i, Blu-ray will do 1080p (the i and p are to do with the scan type) but yes, they both do the full resolution and look stunning on a compatible tv connected via HDMI

Dr E Spenglar · 13-01-2008, 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidaw

Thanks Pete

So what is the output from Sky HD or a Blueray player?

Does it utilise this higher resolution?

Just wondering if this full HD is value for money, assuming it's more expensive than HD ready.

Blu-ray will output 1080p "Full HD", however I believe SKY HD only outputs at 720p, so if you are not too interested in blu-ray or HDDVD there would be no real reason to spend more money on a 1080p set.

GDK · 13-01-2008, 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr E Spenglar

Blu-ray will output 1080p "Full HD", however I believe SKY HD only outputs at 720p, so if you are not too interested in blu-ray or HDDVD there would be no real reason to spend more money on a 1080p set.

That's wrong - Sky HD will output HD at up to 1080i. It is also able to output at 720p.

Nigel Goodwin · 13-01-2008, 15:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr E Spenglar

Blu-ray will output 1080p "Full HD", however I believe SKY HD only outputs at 720p, so if you are not too interested in blu-ray or HDDVD there would be no real reason to spend more money on a 1080p set.

As GDK says, you are wrong, Sky HD outputs 1080i, which all UK HD transmissions are - you can set the box to downscale the pictures to 720P, but this is usually pretty pointless, as hardly any sets are 720P.

The difference between 1080i and 1080P is pretty minimal, and only on fast moving action - even the difference between an HD Ready set and Full HD isn't that much!.

Compare them in the shop on both SD and HD, and make your own mind up if you consider the added cost if worth it?.

Jarrak · 13-01-2008, 16:18

Also take not that FULL HD is a marketing term and HD Ready 1080p is the genuine upgrade to the EICTA HD Ready specification.

bobcar · 13-01-2008, 18:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

The difference between 1080i and 1080P is pretty minimal, and only on fast moving action

Even then if the TV has decent progressive detection there is no difference for films.

Belgarion · 14-01-2008, 16:05

Don't forget, only 1080p panels can be 24p compatible for HD movies (meaning that the speed of the movie is played at it's true cinema speed - normal DVD's play marginally faster and thus sound is also marginally higher pitched to compensate)

24p is not available on all models of TV - check the specs to confirm. Only Blu-Ray is able to output 24p - I am unaware that HD-DVD supports that (please correct me if I'm wrong!)

High-end Sony BRAVIA models also use the extra pixels to help smooth out the upscaling aftereffects. (Top end have 6.2M pixels btw)

bobcar · 14-01-2008, 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belgarion

Don't forget, only 1080p panels can be 24p compatible for HD movies (meaning that the speed of the movie is played at it's true cinema speed - normal DVD's play marginally faster and thus sound is also marginally higher pitched to compensate)

But please note that 1080p24 support doesn't mean the panel has to have a resolution of 1920x1080, lower resolutions can also support 1080p24.

Many people make the mistake of thinking if they want the best with BluRay they have to get a full resolution panel whereas in fact there's no point unless you sit close enough.

tellytart1 · 14-01-2008, 17:00

And yes, HD-DVD can also support 24p output.

ntlhellworld · 15-01-2008, 20:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belgarion

Don't forget, only 1080p panels can be 24p compatible for HD movies (meaning that the speed of the movie is played at it's true cinema speed - normal DVD's play marginally faster and thus sound is also marginally higher pitched to compensate)

24p is not available on all models of TV - check the specs to confirm. Only Blu-Ray is able to output 24p - I am unaware that HD-DVD supports that (please correct me if I'm wrong!)

High-end Sony BRAVIA models also use the extra pixels to help smooth out the upscaling aftereffects. (Top end have 6.2M pixels btw)

are you a sony representative or something ? I mean, Blu-Ray and Sony Bravia in one post, aswell as a dig at HD-DVD -

!

Yes ofcourse HD-DVD supports 24p.

Its funny that "blu-ray" has become synonymous with a type of quality in peoples minds that nothing else can come close to. Its just a disc ffs lol You could put higher quality video than any blu ray disk on a standard dvd.

-Chris

meltcity · 15-01-2008, 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidaw

They were told that there are HD ready sets but that 'full HD' is something different and that that is only available from 40" upwards.

Is this true?

Actually you can get full HD (1920 x 1200 16:10) on 17" PC monitors (including some high-end laptops).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belgarion

Don't forget, only 1080p panels can be 24p compatible for HD movies (meaning that the speed of the movie is played at it's true cinema speed - normal DVD's play marginally faster and thus sound is also marginally higher pitched to compensate)

Of course even if you don't have 24p compatibility Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs still run at the correct speed, albeit with slight motion judder caused by the conversion to 60i/p.

16-01-2008, 09:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntlhellworld

Its funny that "blu-ray" has become synonymous with a type of quality in peoples minds that nothing else can come close to. Its just a disc ffs lol You could put higher quality video than any blu ray disk on a standard dvd.

Sure, but only about twenty minutes of it.

13-01-2008, 14:34	#1
davidaw Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Surrey Posts: 29	HD ready v 'full HD' It's been getting on 2 years since I bought my HD ready TV so I may be out of touch but..... My in-laws want to get a new TV & Sky HD so visited the local Panasonic shop. They were told that there are HD ready sets but that 'full HD' is something different and that that is only available from 40" upwards. Is this true? It sounds like bollards to me but I may be out of date.

13-01-2008, 14:39	#2
Pete Baker. Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 634	Full HD is a higher pic resolution of 1080, which has over 2 million pixels, compared to standard "HD Ready" which is usually just over 1 million, so there's a noticable difference on bigger panels.

13-01-2008, 15:01	#3
davidaw Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Surrey Posts: 29	Thanks Pete So what is the output from Sky HD or a Blueray player? Does it utilise this higher resolution? Just wondering if this full HD is value for money, assuming it's more expensive than HD ready.

13-01-2008, 15:10	#4
Pete Baker. Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 634	Sky HD will output 1080i, Blu-ray will do 1080p (the i and p are to do with the scan type) but yes, they both do the full resolution and look stunning on a compatible tv connected via HDMI

13-01-2008, 15:11	#5
Dr E Spenglar Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Essex, UK Posts: 66	Quote: Originally Posted by davidaw Thanks Pete So what is the output from Sky HD or a Blueray player? Does it utilise this higher resolution? Just wondering if this full HD is value for money, assuming it's more expensive than HD ready. Blu-ray will output 1080p "Full HD", however I believe SKY HD only outputs at 720p, so if you are not too interested in blu-ray or HDDVD there would be no real reason to spend more money on a 1080p set.

13-01-2008, 15:24	#6
GDK Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Wigan Posts: 4,892	Quote: Originally Posted by Dr E Spenglar Blu-ray will output 1080p "Full HD", however I believe SKY HD only outputs at 720p, so if you are not too interested in blu-ray or HDDVD there would be no real reason to spend more money on a 1080p set. That's wrong - Sky HD will output HD at up to 1080i. It is also able to output at 720p.

13-01-2008, 15:31	#7
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by Dr E Spenglar Blu-ray will output 1080p "Full HD", however I believe SKY HD only outputs at 720p, so if you are not too interested in blu-ray or HDDVD there would be no real reason to spend more money on a 1080p set. As GDK says, you are wrong, Sky HD outputs 1080i, which all UK HD transmissions are - you can set the box to downscale the pictures to 720P, but this is usually pretty pointless, as hardly any sets are 720P. The difference between 1080i and 1080P is pretty minimal, and only on fast moving action - even the difference between an HD Ready set and Full HD isn't that much!. Compare them in the shop on both SD and HD, and make your own mind up if you consider the added cost if worth it?.

13-01-2008, 16:18	#8
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	Also take not that FULL HD is a marketing term and HD Ready 1080p is the genuine upgrade to the EICTA HD Ready specification.

13-01-2008, 18:24	#9
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin The difference between 1080i and 1080P is pretty minimal, and only on fast moving action Even then if the TV has decent progressive detection there is no difference for films.

14-01-2008, 16:05	#10
Belgarion Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 261	Don't forget, only 1080p panels can be 24p compatible for HD movies (meaning that the speed of the movie is played at it's true cinema speed - normal DVD's play marginally faster and thus sound is also marginally higher pitched to compensate) 24p is not available on all models of TV - check the specs to confirm. Only Blu-Ray is able to output 24p - I am unaware that HD-DVD supports that (please correct me if I'm wrong!) High-end Sony BRAVIA models also use the extra pixels to help smooth out the upscaling aftereffects. (Top end have 6.2M pixels btw)

14-01-2008, 16:33	#11
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by Belgarion Don't forget, only 1080p panels can be 24p compatible for HD movies (meaning that the speed of the movie is played at it's true cinema speed - normal DVD's play marginally faster and thus sound is also marginally higher pitched to compensate) But please note that 1080p24 support doesn't mean the panel has to have a resolution of 1920x1080, lower resolutions can also support 1080p24. Many people make the mistake of thinking if they want the best with BluRay they have to get a full resolution panel whereas in fact there's no point unless you sit close enough.

14-01-2008, 17:00	#12
tellytart1 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: London Posts: 3,638	And yes, HD-DVD can also support 24p output.

15-01-2008, 20:14	#13
ntlhellworld Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,649	Quote: Originally Posted by Belgarion Don't forget, only 1080p panels can be 24p compatible for HD movies (meaning that the speed of the movie is played at it's true cinema speed - normal DVD's play marginally faster and thus sound is also marginally higher pitched to compensate) 24p is not available on all models of TV - check the specs to confirm. Only Blu-Ray is able to output 24p - I am unaware that HD-DVD supports that (please correct me if I'm wrong!) High-end Sony BRAVIA models also use the extra pixels to help smooth out the upscaling aftereffects. (Top end have 6.2M pixels btw) are you a sony representative or something ? I mean, Blu-Ray and Sony Bravia in one post, aswell as a dig at HD-DVD - ! Yes ofcourse HD-DVD supports 24p. Its funny that "blu-ray" has become synonymous with a type of quality in peoples minds that nothing else can come close to. Its just a disc ffs lol You could put higher quality video than any blu ray disk on a standard dvd. -Chris

15-01-2008, 21:00	#14
meltcity Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,770	Quote: Originally Posted by davidaw They were told that there are HD ready sets but that 'full HD' is something different and that that is only available from 40" upwards. Is this true? Actually you can get full HD (1920 x 1200 16:10) on 17" PC monitors (including some high-end laptops). Quote: Originally Posted by Belgarion Don't forget, only 1080p panels can be 24p compatible for HD movies (meaning that the speed of the movie is played at it's true cinema speed - normal DVD's play marginally faster and thus sound is also marginally higher pitched to compensate) Of course even if you don't have 24p compatibility Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs still run at the correct speed, albeit with slight motion judder caused by the conversion to 60i/p.

16-01-2008, 09:43	#15
Nomen Luni Posts: n/a	Quote: Originally Posted by ntlhellworld Its funny that "blu-ray" has become synonymous with a type of quality in peoples minds that nothing else can come close to. Its just a disc ffs lol You could put higher quality video than any blu ray disk on a standard dvd. Sure, but only about twenty minutes of it.

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