Originally Posted by ItJustMyOpinion:
“I would call landing on the moon in 1969 and 40 years later, still not achieving any thing better, a loss of momentum.”
“I would call landing on the moon in 1969 and 40 years later, still not achieving any thing better, a loss of momentum.”
Only if you consider space exploration as just landing men on a distant body.
Originally Posted by ItJustMyOpinion:
“They can't afford the main system they are building. Plus if like some people might want, they simply sell their system to the Europeans, if it go's wrong and their people get stranded, the back up will be no good as its the same technology.”
“They can't afford the main system they are building. Plus if like some people might want, they simply sell their system to the Europeans, if it go's wrong and their people get stranded, the back up will be no good as its the same technology.”
Most aerospace/space programs go over budget. No surprise there.
Who says the back up has to be the same technology just because it is from the same nation or agency?
Originally Posted by ItJustMyOpinion:
“America has refused to cooperate with any other agency on their constellation program. They are only doing it for Mars robotic science because their broke.”
“America has refused to cooperate with any other agency on their constellation program. They are only doing it for Mars robotic science because their broke.”
Nonsense. Shared programs are simply a way to offset costs. That doesn't necessarily translate into an agency being "broke."
If anything, that would apply to the ESA's Mars rover plans which now looks like it will be based on mostly American technology.
What I often read and hear from ESA and other European officials is this arrogant attitude that presumes that NASA should cooperate with them.
Originally Posted by ItJustMyOpinion:
“A lot of ESA / NASA joint projects are simply cancelled half way through by the American administration at the time.
ESA has always tried for international cooperation, so the whole human race can go in to space together. If any one is arrogant it is the Americans.
Now at this point in the NASA space flight forums I would get permanently banned for outrageous comments.
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“A lot of ESA / NASA joint projects are simply cancelled half way through by the American administration at the time.
ESA has always tried for international cooperation, so the whole human race can go in to space together. If any one is arrogant it is the Americans.
Now at this point in the NASA space flight forums I would get permanently banned for outrageous comments.
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It isn't "arrogant" to protect a nation's technology or to expect anyone but American astronauts to fly in American spacecraft.
No, the arrogance comes from the European side that presumes that so-called international cooperation should take place.
I say "so-called" because ESA only brings up "international cooperation" when they either don't have the funds or the technological know how, or a combination of the two, to complete a project.
Lets face it, the European agencies like ESA are actually far more nationalistic than NASA is. They are the ones with the huge chips on their shoulders of always trying to prove they can match or exceed American technology or accomplishments similar to the way the Soviets were, right down to copying actual missions or hardware.
If they are capable of producing something entirely on their own then that is the way it will surely be done.
Originally Posted by ItJustMyOpinion:
“ESA has even tried to work with the Russians and Japan. The Russian just wanted our money in return for a few seats as usual. They would build it and launch it from Russia.”
“ESA has even tried to work with the Russians and Japan. The Russian just wanted our money in return for a few seats as usual. They would build it and launch it from Russia.”
Because they don't have the funds or the know how.
Originally Posted by ItJustMyOpinion:
“ESA is the most cooperative and efficient space agency going in the world and Britain should have a single agency of its own to play a much bigger part in ESA's missions.”
“ESA is the most cooperative and efficient space agency going in the world and Britain should have a single agency of its own to play a much bigger part in ESA's missions.”
I doubt anyone in these forums can make such a determination.
I've already addressed its so-called "cooperative" stance.
Originally Posted by ItJustMyOpinion:
“Americas main contribution to ISS has been the shuttles cargo capacity. I am all for Europeans having their own capacity to provide their fair share, in the same way they should militarily in their defence.”
“Americas main contribution to ISS has been the shuttles cargo capacity. I am all for Europeans having their own capacity to provide their fair share, in the same way they should militarily in their defence.”
America has financed the majority of it, not to mention all the American technology and hardware that is in it.






with any tech. The JSF RAF people nearly pulled out of the deal because no tech was being handed over in return for their investment.