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Ipod Jan Software Update price !!!
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sancheeez
16-01-2008
Originally Posted by cussywoo:
“what if u hav version 1.1.2??”

The you're supposed to pay for the update ..... just like it says in post #2 of this thread .....
Daveoc64
16-01-2008
Originally Posted by moisie:
“Technology gets cheaper over time, products get new features added to them and the price stays the same, this is nothing new. If you bought an iPod touch without these features then that was your decision, there was nothing to say that these features would ever be added anyway. The iPhone and Apple TV were announced as being accounted for over an extended period so that they could accommodate free updates - the iPod Touch wasn't. They didn't have to make these available to old versions, they could have just released a new version, added the apps and be done with it. If you don't feel they're worth the price then that's your decision but the assumption they should be free is your problem.”

The other 11 iPod models weren't done with the accounting model, but they all saw updates - including the iPod classic and nano introduced on the same day as the iPod touch.
GARETH197901
16-01-2008
Originally Posted by sancheeez:
“The you're supposed to pay for the update ..... just like it says in post #2 of this thread .....”

No the update from 1.1.2 to 1.1.3 is free the optional software pack is chargeable(Maps,Mail and so on)
Adam D
16-01-2008
How do i get this?

I plugged in my ipod and it updated to 1.1.3 and thats the latest update available, There is a slight difference, youtube has moved places on my list and there is a gray 'box' underneeth the bottom lings for music etc.

Also there is a bookmark for abble web apps but i cant find anything about googlemaps and mail app.
sancheeez
16-01-2008
Originally Posted by GARETH197901:
“No the update from 1.1.2 to 1.1.3 is free the optional software pack is chargeable(Maps,Mail and so on)”

OK .... so you pay for the extra apps.

You knew what I meant though .....
andyhargreaves
16-01-2008
Originally Posted by Adam D:
“How do i get this?

I plugged in my ipod and it updated to 1.1.3 and thats the latest update available, There is a slight difference, youtube has moved places on my list and there is a gray 'box' underneeth the bottom lings for music etc.

Also there is a bookmark for abble web apps but i cant find anything about googlemaps and mail app.”

Once you've got 1.1.3, click here. Link should open in iTunes.

Alternatively look at bottom of this page....
aaronon
16-01-2008
Well I bought the update today and can say its pretty useful. I have set up my google mail and my uni mail which saves me having to turn on my computer. You can now click a contacts e mail to automatically mail them. You can email youtube video links and photos stored on your iPod. Mail can be set up with google mail , other , aol , and .mac. You can also set up your web mail providing you know the servers address. I don't think hotmail is supported.
Sananda Maitreya
16-01-2008
Originally Posted by Daveoc64:
“The other 11 iPod models weren't done with the accounting model, but they all saw updates - including the iPod classic and nano introduced on the same day as the iPod touch.”

updates to existing software but not new programs/apps.
cussywoo
16-01-2008
is this only available if you have a mac because the system requirements sayin nothing about windows...
merseyboy
16-01-2008
I think so. I wanted to buy it but can't find how to do it. Only two buttons I can see say 'no thanks' or 'remind me later'.

If that is the case, does anyone know if they'll be making it available for Windows?

Cheers
Steve
Adam D
16-01-2008
Confused

I logged into my account, Had £10 something, Anyway, I clicked on to get it, Accepted terms ect.. Then the next thing it says press sync on itunes and then disconnect your ipod and they should be there, Well they are not, and when i go back to the page to try again there is a button in place that says 'remind me later'

Im not sure how to check my balance, im going to have a look now.
merseyboy
16-01-2008
Adam, could you please tell me where it said 'get it', please.
Cheers.
merseyboy
16-01-2008
No idea why but I think it just worked for me on Windows. Currently syncing. Fingers crossed!
damndirtyape
16-01-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“can't be apparently because, unlike iphone and appletv, ipod touch doesn't account for its revenue on a subscription basis and accordingly some law (sarbane oxley act) means that they end up charging.”

The whole "let's blame this on the 'Sarbane Oxley Act'" seems to be a bit of a cop-out. I mean, even if this is the case, surely:

1) You could just as easily charge £1.25 as £12.99 for the added functionality - why such a heafty premium for a few apps?

and

2) You could offer, say, £12.99 of store credit included with the 5 bundled apps (thus making them effectively free) if you really wanted to...

Either which way, it's pretty disgraceful to charge £12.99 for these applications, especially when you know that they are going to be free for new buyers.

You're meant to reward your loyal customers, Apple - not overcharge and alienate them over "optional extras"...
TheToonArmy
16-01-2008
Guys,

how do you buy the update, I have clicked on links above with no success, the screen appears in itunes with just "no thanks" and "remind me later".

my os is XP, does it matter ?

I want to spend the money, but how ?

thanks in advance

g
lininjim
16-01-2008
No such thing as a free lunch. If you don't want to pay the £12.99, well no one is forcing you.
I've got mine, I didn't like the charge but I wanted the apps.
JD|
16-01-2008
Originally Posted by TheToonArmy:
“Guys,

how do you buy the update, I have clicked on links above with no success, the screen appears in itunes with just "no thanks" and "remind me later".

I os is XP, does it matter ?

I want to spend the money, but how ?

thanks in advance

g”

In the middle off the screen with the "remind me later" there should be a link on that page that says " Go to software upgrade"

Works fine with xp! are you update with Itunes i.e 7.6
TheToonArmy
16-01-2008
Originally Posted by JD|:
“In the middle off the screen with the "remind me later" there should be a link on that page that says " Go to software upgrade"”

Sorry, nothing.

I am downloading the latest itunes, see if that will help

thanks
aaronon
17-01-2008
The update button will not appear until you install the new iTunes.
Daveoc64
17-01-2008
Originally Posted by damndirtyape:
“The whole "let's blame this on the 'Sarbane Oxley Act'" seems to be a bit of a cop-out. I mean, even if this is the case, surely:

1) You could just as easily charge £1.25 as £12.99 for the added functionality - why such a heafty premium for a few apps?”

I think that if it genuinely was due to the accounting thing they would have charged a low amount like they did with the 802.11n enabler.

I think in this case they decided to make a profit from it.
damndirtyape
17-01-2008
Originally Posted by lininjim:
“No such thing as a free lunch. If you don't want to pay the £12.99, well no one is forcing you.
I've got mine, I didn't like the charge but I wanted the apps.”

Very true - and I have no issues whatsoever with Apple charging money for product; the concept in-itself (let's call it something cool... how about capitalism ) is fine...

...however...

My real problem is the implementation: Sure, there's "No such thing as a free lunch" - that is, unless, you happen to be buying your Touch with 1.1.3 pre-installed I know it's hardly a clandestine plot, but when the Mac-fans have been plying us with excuses about 'Sarbane Oxley' y'know that someone's got to have a guilty conscious about it somewhere down the line
dsrichard
17-01-2008
A few comments on this:

1. You have to download, install and restart your Mac following the iTunes 7.6 update as well as the iPod firmware in order to be able to buy these apps. I spent a frustrated evening last night wondering why it was not possible to buy them.

2. Really, how can people get so upset at there being a charge for this. As somebody has pointed out, when you take off VAT the price is little different to the US price considering which way the exchange rate is now going. Second, and this is just economics, you were happy to pay the price for your iPod with its functionality when you bought it. Where was it written that everything from this point on would be free? If these were third-party apps then they would be considered very good value for money (look at the price of most WinCE or Symbian software). For me, the notes app is worth the money alone. Don't get so enraged people.
Adam D
17-01-2008
My problem is, i have paid for it but the update did not work,

I then (as read from mac forums) to uninstall itunes and folders to do with that, and reinstall, Now i have done that and i get an error saying i need to install again, still nothing when i do that.

So i am £12 down and no update,

I can try it on another pc, but how would i get the update again without paying?
TheSoulBrother
19-01-2008
Originally Posted by damndirtyape:
“The whole "let's blame this on the 'Sarbane Oxley Act'" seems to be a bit of a cop-out. I mean, even if this is the case, surely:

1) You could just as easily charge £1.25 as £12.99 for the added functionality - why such a heafty premium for a few apps?

and

2) You could offer, say, £12.99 of store credit included with the 5 bundled apps (thus making them effectively free) if you really wanted to...

Either which way, it's pretty disgraceful to charge £12.99 for these applications, especially when you know that they are going to be free for new buyers.

You're meant to reward your loyal customers, Apple - not overcharge and alienate them over "optional extras"...”

£12 is a hefty premium? On what planet?

I personally do not see what the problem is.

If you bought a laptop 4 months before Vista came out, should you be given Vista for free when it is released? Because that becomes the default OS on the same laptop you bought just 4 months earlier. Its "free" for new buyers.

Or lets say you buy a PS3 on launch date at HMV. Just 2 months later, HMV are selling it for the same price but with a free game bundled in, worth £40. Are you entitled to the free game?

Because that's an exact analogy.

Gadgets like the iPod by nature become cheaper to produce for Apple the longer its been on the market. Some manufacturers would just reduce the price to reflect that. Apple likes to keep pricepoints the same and instead adds features in order to do so. That's all we have here.

Now in the old days of the iPod, you would have to buy a new one to get the latest features! At least you now have the ability to get the new apps for a "hefty" 12 quid.

And finally, they are worth every penny. Mail and Maps alone are. For a "hefty' £12, your MP3 player becomes more of a PDA.
Daveoc64
19-01-2008
Originally Posted by TheSoulBrother:
“If you bought a laptop 4 months before Vista came out, should you be given Vista for free when it is released? Because that becomes the default OS on the same laptop you bought just 4 months earlier. Its "free" for new buyers. .”

That's a flawed analogy, if you bought a PC with Windows XP installed on it after October 26th 2006 then you were entitled to get Windows Vista for just the cost of shipping.

Same deal with Mac OS X Tiger and Leopard (i.e. Apple does it for their products).

With both of them, Apple offered a low cost disc so that you could upgrade a recently purchased Mac.

I think most people's objection stems from these points:

1) The iPod touch is less like the iPhone, it's supposed to be more like an iPod. iPods have simple updates which include new features - it's happened several times before. All for free. Therefore when people bought an iPod touch they expected some continuity - see point 3.

2) Apple identified that there was an accounting issue, so they compensated for that with iPhone and Apple TV - why not with iPod touch? Easy - to get more money from people.

3) The iPod touch is only a few months old, people didn't expect to be paying for new apps already. Perhaps some form of large OS upgrade (perhaps a year down the line), but not just a few apps that are free on the older iPhone. I certainly wouldn't expect to be paying for an upgrade four months after the product was released.

4) People can buy an iPod touch today and it wont include these apps, they will see them on Apple.com and all over the internet but they might not realise they cost extra. With the old iPod software pricing model, that wouldn't have mattered.

5) In terms of "heft" Apple said that with the 802.11n enabler it wanted to make the cost trivial as it was an accounting issue. The only logical conclusion is that Apple sees the iPod touch as a cash cow, sure it's £12.99 now - but what about the next upgrade and the next one? That attitude concerns many iPod touch owners.
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