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Old 18-01-2008, 19:46
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You mean you do not have a clue?
i think my initial decision is proving to be good one in view of the above.
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Old 18-01-2008, 21:07
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i don't necessarily think there is any flawed logic for two reasons. first, chocolate boy may have chosen the n96 in the expectation that he would make use of all the features but found that it wasn't perhaps user friendly enough to make the most of it. second, he may simply have chosen what is reckoned to be a good phone which was available at no initial cost to himself and saw no reason to choose a less well specified phone.
It was actually the N95.

Enough said.
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Old 18-01-2008, 21:52
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It was actually the N95.

Enough said.
and you go on justifying my initial decision.

i could as easily have pointed out that several times earlier you wrote Iphone it's actually iPhone, but there's no point in that kind of nonsense.
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Old 18-01-2008, 21:59
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one word springs to mind sony ericsson w960i
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Old 18-01-2008, 22:40
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i really didn't think it was worth bothering with a substantive reply since your post doesn't merit it.
a) mixing your tenses there.

b) his post merited the effort of you making any kind of reply but not one where you actually debate the topic at hand.

c) you are correct - your posts are insubstantive.

p.s. to the guy with the Viewty, how is the touch interface - I'm thinking of getting one but have only seen dummy models - no live ones - the chocolate is ridiculously sensitive - is the Viewty better and more importantly how intuitive is the UI?
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Old 18-01-2008, 23:36
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a) mixing your tenses there.

b) his post merited the effort of you making any kind of reply but not one where you actually debate the topic at hand.

c) you are correct - your posts are insubstantive.

p.s. to the guy with the Viewty, how is the touch interface - I'm thinking of getting one but have only seen dummy models - no live ones - the chocolate is ridiculously sensitive - is the Viewty better and more importantly how intuitive is the UI?
a) there's nothing incorrect about the tenses i used. i didn't think at the time that it a substantive response was necessary his post didn't merit it; it continues not to merit it and will not merit it in the future.

b) yes, his post merited the response that it was pathetic. i really don't see why he has to suggest that chocolate boy is in a group of "strange people" simple because he made calls and texted with his n95 without using more advanced features, imply that chocolate boy cannot handle advanced features, and then threw in the usual mantra of style over substance as if stylishness (and associated ease of use) are not substantial.

c) i gave a substantive reply to ricardodaforce on the subject since he put his point in such as way as not to insult chocolate boy.
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Old 19-01-2008, 13:09
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i don't necessarily think there is any flawed logic for two reasons. first, chocolate boy may have chosen the n96 in the expectation that he would make use of all the features but found that it wasn't perhaps user friendly enough to make the most of it. second, he may simply have chosen what is reckoned to be a good phone which was available at no initial cost to himself and saw no reason to choose a less well specified phone.
Precisely, not that I feel I need to justify my purchase of any handset to people, but the fact that I have an iPhone should show I'm not someone who would be happy with a £15 old nokia

I was offered an upgrade from the nokia I already had and it was free so I took it, I was hardly gonna say "no don't bother, give me a cheap £15 3310 instead of that £300 handset" was I?

My main issue with the N95 was terrible software, as I said earlier, I went through two phones and they both crashed a lot, apps locking up, one had the dreaded white screen of death, and required a replacement, the symbian operating system is just nowhere near as good as OS X, despite what the haters will try and convince you. Battery life was also awful, lucky to get a full day out of it.

I didn't use mp3 on it, as it required dragging and dropping files into the file system etc. No where near as nice, or elegant as iTunes, I like my collection nicely organised, and the auto-syncing is much easier than dragging and dropping files between devices.
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Old 19-01-2008, 13:10
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It was actually the N95.

Enough said.
As the N96 isn't out yet, it was obviously a typo, if all you can pick someone up on is a typing error, it shows a lack of intelligence, and debating skills. You automatically invalidate every point you made.
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Old 19-01-2008, 13:15
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Well, although they're not literally fresh off the production line, I've just had an N81 8GB delivered, and it's great!

The camera isn't so good, but I've got a proper camera anyway. The music, video and wireless are fantastic, and the software is really well thought out - quick conversions and such like, although I've had to find a separate app to convert from avi to mp4.

One thing that I can't figure out is how to make the music menu look like it does in the demo. AH well
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Old 20-01-2008, 00:18
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Precisely, not that I feel I need to justify my purchase of any handset to people, but the fact that I have an iPhone should show I'm not someone who would be happy with a £15 old nokia

I was offered an upgrade from the nokia I already had and it was free so I took it, I was hardly gonna say "no don't bother, give me a cheap £15 3310 instead of that £300 handset" was I?

My main issue with the N95 was terrible software, as I said earlier, I went through two phones and they both crashed a lot, apps locking up, one had the dreaded white screen of death, and required a replacement, the symbian operating system is just nowhere near as good as OS X, despite what the haters will try and convince you. Battery life was also awful, lucky to get a full day out of it.

I didn't use mp3 on it, as it required dragging and dropping files into the file system etc. No where near as nice, or elegant as iTunes, I like my collection nicely organised, and the auto-syncing is much easier than dragging and dropping files between devices.
1)The software on the N95 can be changed and updated to any firmware you want.

2) The Symbian system is WAY better . For example you can install a divx player on N95 unlike the iPhone. You can also play flash videos on the N95 meaning you can download straight from youtube. The software on iPhone is locked.

3)You can use iTunes with the N95!! It works the same way as the iPhone.

iPhone is very a basic phone with a fancy touchscreen and decent ui.
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Old 20-01-2008, 02:04
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iPhone is very a basic phone with a fancy touchscreen and decent ui.
it's advanced in some areas and rather ordinary in others (sometimes deliberately). it's attractiveness as a possible buy depend on where your priorities lie.
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Old 20-01-2008, 11:04
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1)The software on the N95 can be changed and updated to any firmware you want.

2) The Symbian system is WAY better . For example you can install a divx player on N95 unlike the iPhone. You can also play flash videos on the N95 meaning you can download straight from youtube. The software on iPhone is locked.

3)You can use iTunes with the N95!! It works the same way as the iPhone.

iPhone is very a basic phone with a fancy touchscreen and decent ui.
But everyone of those is hacks basically, no normal users do those things, searching the web, hooking up their phone, dragging and dropping apps into their phones file system.

If you're comparing that, then compare it to a jailbroken iPhone which can do pretty much anything you mentionl, MMS, video etc.

Updating firmware on the iPhone is the only consumer phone people will bother to update, they don't have to go on the hunt for the file, and manually flash their handset. Plug iphone into your computer, it will automatically ask "There is a new version of software for your phone, do you wish to update?" yes or no, that's it.

Also iPhone has a built in Youtube app, it does Youtube better than any other handset.
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Old 20-01-2008, 23:38
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wi th exception of wifi, i sat next to someone using an iphone whilst i had my viewty. i like to watch movies, browse net, text and call. i found the picture quality was better on viewty as was the text screen, viewty plays divx hd movies perfectly and as for the browsing the iphone was so so slow.....
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Old 22-01-2008, 11:24
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one word springs to mind sony ericsson w960i
I sent my back. Although it's a very nice looking phone, nice size, good presentation, I found some of the most basic features a right pain to get on with.

The touch screen is ok, but you really need to use the 'pen' and to be honest, i felt like an idiot using that. The lack of a directional key drove me insane too. When texting you had to use to scroll wheel at the side to select your word or punctuation and it just slowed down texting. Again, if you chose to text using the 'keyboard' on screen, then you needed to get the pen out and it wasn't any quicker.

I know there are many features of the phone which are excellent, but i don't want swap these for quick and easy standard functions.

Now I've got the N95 8gb and i'm very happy with it. It may be slightly heavier and bigger, but i feel it's a much better handset.
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Old 24-01-2008, 17:59
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As the N96 isn't out yet, it was obviously a typo, if all you can pick someone up on is a typing error, it shows a lack of intelligence, and debating skills. You automatically invalidate every point you made.
By that logic you could say the same about your points.
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Old 24-01-2008, 18:13
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Precisely, not that I feel I need to justify my purchase of any handset to people, but the fact that I have an iPhone should show I'm not someone who would be happy with a £15 old nokia

I was offered an upgrade from the nokia I already had and it was free so I took it, I was hardly gonna say "no don't bother, give me a cheap £15 3310 instead of that £300 handset" was I?

My main issue with the N95 was terrible software, as I said earlier, I went through two phones and they both crashed a lot, apps locking up, one had the dreaded white screen of death, and required a replacement, the symbian operating system is just nowhere near as good as OS X, despite what the haters will try and convince you. Battery life was also awful, lucky to get a full day out of it.

I didn't use mp3 on it, as it required dragging and dropping files into the file system etc. No where near as nice, or elegant as iTunes, I like my collection nicely organised, and the auto-syncing is much easier than dragging and dropping files between devices.
From what I gather is you haven't used the n95 with nearly the same frequency, or as comprehensively, as the iPhone. You stated you never even bothered to web browse, yet state the iPhone has much better functionality in that application.

I would say you prefer the iPhone due to familiarity, something you stated yourself, and this has biased your view on the n95.

The battery life is supposed to be longer than that but if you didn't charge it correctly the first time you can find you will have problems with a short battery life. I have found that to be the case several times, my n81 included.
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Old 31-01-2008, 12:02
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nokia arte [8800]

that is the daddy !!!

if you can afford it
oooooo - its gorgeous!!! Its not chavvy at all!
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Old 31-01-2008, 13:58
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you do have the "Daddy" of all phones with the N95.

When you upgrade I would upgrade to the N95 8GB

The W960 is dam close, but nokia gets my vote.

PS I hate nokia, I have a SE K850

Also I'm one of the handset specialists for where I work
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Old 31-01-2008, 14:03
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you do have the "Daddy" of all phones with the N95.

When you upgrade I would upgrade to the N95 8GB

The W960 is dam close, but nokia gets my vote.

PS I hate nokia, I have a SE K850

Also I'm one of the handset specialists for where I work
why do you prefer the n95 over w960?



edit - its ok, i just looked upw960 and yes i can see why
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Old 31-01-2008, 14:26
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me too I was a bit off put by the annoyin touch sensative buttons as they can get annoying but I am growing to love it
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