Depends how seriously you take Lisa's anecdotes.

Two weeks immunity to eviction, his British housemates not being able to see him and the fact she couldn't evict him must have bought some bravery out in him.......

What stone did you crawl out from under?

Oh, crawled back again?

No I think the "cheap shot" was the remark made by Winston regarding Cam fans "good little girls and boys".
I have posted endlessly my views on Cameron .I am aware nothing I could say would make an iota of difference to your point of view so prefer to save my fingers .
What I will say is how amusing I'm finding all the posts I've read since coming in from work .
People bitching .....they are amateurs compard to some FM's ...who then go on to state how terrible all the bitching is .

It is human nature to talk about other people ,yes ..it can be unpleasant but it goes on in every walk of life constantly.
These people have been together for 6 weeks .Some say they want to see the HM's being themselves ,being REAL.
Well they have their wish .....

Of course not bystander - this would spoil their,
"Please Miss...Cameron said"
little routines that choke this forum.

Winston et al - if you don't have the maturity to accept that no-one is all bad then your opinion is pretty worthless.

If you view people's human failings as major crimes then hopefully you are wearing a horse hair vest and flogging yourself on a regular basis.

I'm not saying Cameron is all bad. I am asking people who think Cameron is good to explain why. Answer the question or butt out. Make that 3 non-answers and one obfuscation.

Indulge me. Tell me why Cameron is a nice guy worthy of your support, then. Explain how his behaviour is not hypocritical. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and not include you on the roster of non-answers.

Was there a point in there? Pro-Cameron fans have been invited to make their views of last night's events known in the interests of balance, not necessarily to convince anyone to support Cameron. Obviously, you can't actually respond genuinely to these criticisms. There's a slight difference between talking about others behind their backs and bitching/bullying.

I notice, faequeen, that you can't actually provide any evidence of Cameron's good points.

It seems to me that the pro-Cameron viewpoint is becoming increasingly impoverished in light of his behaviour in the house.

So true. And the bitching on this forum is far worse than that in the house. I wouldn't mind so much if it were just about the HM's - but some FM's seem to revel in bitching about other FM's, which is surely against forum rules.

Cameron is a complex person, who is maybe still trying to find out who he is and where he's coming from. He's not behaving any differently from the others as far as discussing other housemates is concerned, so I really can't understand where all the vitriole is coming from. Unless it's still people obsessed with the fact that Jon was voted out instead of him.

Given the choice, I personally would have liked to see Cam and Jon in the final two - with Jon winning. But circumstances meant that one of them had to leave. The country spoke..... so just accept it.

You foolish foolish hypocrit. Please remember this is only a TV show! Just because you have not life NOES NOT mean you have to get nasty with Cameron fans

We are following your leader's example my dear.

He's not just following, you know. He's leading through a whispering campaign. He's admitted he won't confront her but he continues to pour petrol on the flames of paranoia. He is a hypocrite. He should renounce his religion or repent.

I note, still no answer.

It actually has very little to do with Jon. It might be that - dare I say it - some find Cameron an objectionable individual in his own right.

And dissecting/analysing the HMs is common practice in discussion forums. If Cameron's fans do not wish to enter discussion (or perhaps more accurately) no longer have a leg to stand on when it comes to defending him, that's their affair.

I can get nasty with whomesoever I please. The difference between me and Cameron is that I give other people the opportunity to pull me up for it. My comment was deliberately inflammatory in order to get Cameron fans to respond. So, why is Cameron good? No need for a postcard, just reply to this. That'll do.

Yes it is a game show. We are discussing it on a forum. The housemates seem not to show any sense of perspective or self-awareness, cosily ensconced in their little "bubble" and seemingly unprepared for the fact that it's all going to be over in a few weeks.

Maybe Cameron is kinky and is into erotic asphyxiation hence the comment about Lisas windpipe.....

The title of the thread didn't refer to Cameron's good points so why should I have quoted them? Whatever I say you are going to twist to the negative so why bother to provide you with fodder?

(Ben - why do you fight me - you know we are meant to be soul mates! )

Right ......lets clear some things up .I do not think Cameron is a particularly "nice" guy .I have yet to make a judgement on who I'd lend my support to .
If it defines me as a "Cam fan" simply because I have witnessed him do or say nothing that I regard as particularly objectional then so be it .
I can't say I am impressed with any of this years HM's but if I had to choose time with some of them then I would infinitlly prefer to spend time with Scott ,Gos,or Cameron than the others .
They seem like normal human beings with all the usual failings and faults that entails .I fail to see how Cameron has set himself up as being above reproach therefor fail to see how he can be called a hypocrite.
He can be very pleasant and congenial ,joining in all group activity's with enthusiasm and good humour .
Yes he fails to live up to his own expectations sometimes .Dont we all?
He is aware of his faults and has stated this on a number of occasions .
He has a temper ......we all do .
He expresses his annoyance in words ,not terribly well chosen ones but honest at least.

You asked.... i have given .

I don't think the issue here is that the Cam naysayers are taking it too seriously, nah that would be the argument that someone would dredge up to defend a HM that isn't the flavour of the moment. I think that YOU are taking it too personally... Could this be because deep down inside you know that Cam just isn't right?

To coin a phrase from the Great Jon - "Thought so..."

And I think you for your answer. You seem to have reasonable grounds for your opinion. The problem I have with Cameron is that he does things like:

1) Whispers, as if we can't hear him, when commenting on somebody else. This tells me that he is fully aware that what he is saying is offensive or could be used to his disadvantage. This is not the action of an honourable man.

2) Works other people up to make his comments and perform his actions by proxy. This is manipulation. I have no problem with manipulation but he has professed that he cannot understand manipulation/lying and finds it objectionable. This makes him a hypocrite.

3) Hypocrites are expressely condemned by his God. This makes him the worse kind of hypocrite.

4) I am on a crusade against hypocrisy. It is the little death that is at the core of most ills in society today. His behaviour is supposed to be representative of "goodness", evidenced by his Bible readings. His example sucks.

This makes him a bad man.

Your response to this would be appreciated.

Well blow me down - Jon coined that phrase???
Is it a phrase?? Or is it just two compatible words that millions of people have been using since time began.

Sheesh! Cameron is berated for a all that he says -
whilst Jon (bore of the decade) is feted for uttering this????

Leaning more into the Cameron camp daily - just to avoid Tickle Tripe.

if cameron has erred then I forgive him

Very petty.

Oh come on stop being so twee.

I used a phrase that Jon happened to use in the house. On a thread about Cameron. In a forum about Big Brother. OMG how could I?

If all you can do is pick on an attempted (Big Brother related) witticism at the end of my post rather than respond to the issue in hand then I'd rather that you not respond to my post at all.

Thank you.

As is the whole Cameron argument when you weigh it up against such a silly statement as the one I commented on.

"Do you think I have too much eye shadow on?
- Yes
- thought so."

"Do you think my bum looks big in this?
- yes
-thought so."

Do you think if I posted something wonderful about Cameron, I'd be ridiculed?
- yes
-thought so."

...and no Jon Tickle in sight. Thankfully.