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Old 17-01-2008, 18:14
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I quite like a Talent Show to find a decent singer, as this is a good way of finding somebody that would otherwise never get an opportunity to air themselves.

Having said that, I'm getting rather fed up with X Factor, which has become very stale and is really all about the so-called 'judges' I think this show should go, and another more credible programme put out.

Personally, I much preferred Pop Idol, which had a far better formula and a really interesting panel of judges
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Old 17-01-2008, 18:21
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The question mark is redundant. X Factor was stale from the word go.

Still, I'm not in their target audience in that I have more than two brain cells to rub together.
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Old 17-01-2008, 18:24
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The X Factor is ultimate proof of what's wrong with music. People will buy anything in the short term, hence the charts being made up of 80% crap.
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Old 17-01-2008, 18:55
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The question mark is redundant. X Factor was stale from the word go.

Still, I'm not in their target audience in that I have more than two brain cells to rub together.



Oh shit , that's 13 million Britons screwed then


In answer to the OP , there's nothing wrong with the X Factor as an entertainment show , it's when people fall for some of the blatant manipulation and make crappy songs Xmas No.1 there is a problem.
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Old 17-01-2008, 19:15
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It's more mouldy than stale and represents everything that is wrong with the music industry. One day it will go away but sadly I think it's with us for a while yet as too many people do very well financially out of it.
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Old 17-01-2008, 20:03
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The question mark is redundant. X Factor was stale from the word go.

Still, I'm not in their target audience in that I have more than two brain cells to rub together.
With idiotic comments like that, I think you are showing yourself to be someone with only two braincells to rub together.

On topic, it has found decent singers, Shayne and Leona are both very talented although Shayne didn't get the material he deserved for his first album.

While it's on TV, of course it's about the judges. It's an entertainment show, but whether it be Leona Lewis or Will Young in the UK or Kelly Clarkson or Carrie Underwood in the US, it still provides a platform for talented singers to build a career.

The only effect it has on the music industry is that more music is sold and more people are able to take an interest in it. The albums don't neccessarily sell well (just ask Steve Brookstein or Michelle McManus).

As for Pop Idol, it was never anymore "credible" than X Factor.
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Old 17-01-2008, 20:57
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I don't know about it being 'stale' - but I have never watched this since I squirmed in my seat at Sharon's disgusting outburst at Steve Brookstein which I though was cruel and unnecessary.
Trouble with the X factor is that the judges think they are of more importance than the singers. I would like to hear these peoples voices and then make up my own mind as to whether or not they are talented. I do not need anyone trying to manipulate my opinion. Their massive egos completely spoils what could otherwise be quite a good program
Change the judges and I would watch it again.
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Old 17-01-2008, 21:31
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In answer to the OP , there's nothing wrong with the X Factor as an entertainment show , it's when people fall for some of the blatant manipulation and make crappy songs Xmas No.1 there is a problem.
It's the kids who do that, and they don't know any better. I mean, when I was seven years old, I thought that Agadoo was a really good song, and would have been delighted to receive a Black Lace album for Christmas!
It would be nice if they timed the winner's single release for January, to give us a real Xmas No1 race again, but then, it's all about money so Cowell will never do that.

I think adults watch the programme as a piece of entertainment, and can see through it when someone patently not good enough is declared the 'winner'.

From the little I saw, none of the acts who made it to the end were any good, it was like choosing between dog s**t, raw sewage and vomit.
But Kelly Clarkson, for example, is brilliant, and if the programme can ever produce someone like her, I suppose it's worth it going a little longer, even though I couldn't really be bothered to watch too much of it.
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Old 17-01-2008, 21:52
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Irrespective of whether you love it or hate it, on BBC Breakfast News this morning, HMV were stating that their Christmas sales music sales increase was almost entirely due to "The X Factor"

Apparently, every artist, contestant - past and present - who appeared on the show, had a significant increase in sales after being on the show

Ultimately, the cash register will decide when it's stale
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Old 17-01-2008, 21:54
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I like the show, I just wish they would stop ruining the classic fight for the xmas no1.
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Old 18-01-2008, 00:37
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I like watching the show (well most of the time there is nothing better to watch on a saturday night) but I wouldnt buy any of the songs from it as its all the bloody same pop songs made for a quick sale at xmas time.
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Old 18-01-2008, 07:01
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whether it be Leona Lewis or Will Young in the UK or Kelly Clarkson or Carrie Underwood in the US,
But it is only Leona Lewis who came from X Factor, the others are from the Idol series.
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Old 18-01-2008, 10:26
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It seems as each new video for the X factor winner goes by, the judges have even more appearances in it than the last video.
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Old 18-01-2008, 10:29
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I don't know about it being 'stale' - but I have never watched this since I squirmed in my seat at Sharon's disgusting outburst at Steve Brookstein which I though was cruel and unnecessary.
Whilst I remember the outburst, I don't remember the wording, can you remind me?
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Old 18-01-2008, 11:30
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Whilst I remember the outburst, I don't remember the wording, can you remind me?
Its here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L8d4ExlwsA
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Old 18-01-2008, 12:31
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Thanks for that. Certainly stronger than what I first imagined all those years ago.
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Old 18-01-2008, 15:12
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I agree 100% with 1234xyzzy.
As I said on another post (about the dire etonroad), the music scene will become a better place when the dregs of society (yes-those 13million brits) lose their fascination with these godawful reality tv shows.
Im afraid I have to include C14E in this category. I dont want to make an attack on you, but your comments are simply ridiculous. Shane ward and leona lewis are decent singers? Im a decent singer! they have no talent whatsoever!! They are not musicians! they are puppets!!
The only thing I admire about shows like the xfactor is the intelligence of the people who make them. The realise they are targeting the simple minded nobodys of society! They know how easy it is to manipulate people with the intellectual capacity of a comatose goldfish.
Even though I say all this, ultimately shows like this just make me feel sad at the state of the "music" that is paraded infront of our ears by these performing monkeys.
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Old 18-01-2008, 15:19
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I agree 100% with 1234xyzzy.
As I said on another post (about the dire etonroad), the music scene will become a better place when the dregs of society (yes-those 13million brits) lose their fascination with these godawful reality tv shows.
Im afraid I have to include C14E in this category. I dont want to make an attack on you, but your comments are simply ridiculous. Shane ward and leona lewis are decent singers? Im a decent singer! they have no talent whatsoever!! They are not musicians! they are puppets!!
The only thing I admire about shows like the xfactor is the intelligence of the people who make them. The realise they are targeting the simple minded nobodys of society! They know how easy it is to manipulate people with the intellectual capacity of a comatose goldfish.
Even though I say all this, ultimately shows like this just make me feel sad at the state of the "music" that is paraded infront of our ears by these performing monkeys.
Absolutely love your post and could not agree more.
It annoys how people think that just because these "puppets" can occasionally sing in tune, they are somehow deemed as talented.
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Old 18-01-2008, 15:21
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I agree 100% with 1234xyzzy.
As I said on another post (about the dire etonroad), the music scene will become a better place when the dregs of society (yes-those 13million brits) lose their fascination with these godawful reality tv shows.
Im afraid I have to include C14E in this category. I dont want to make an attack on you, but your comments are simply ridiculous. Shane ward and leona lewis are decent singers? Im a decent singer! they have no talent whatsoever!! They are not musicians! they are puppets!!
The only thing I admire about shows like the xfactor is the intelligence of the people who make them. The realise they are targeting the simple minded nobodys of society! They know how easy it is to manipulate people with the intellectual capacity of a comatose goldfish.
Even though I say all this, ultimately shows like this just make me feel sad at the state of the "music" that is paraded infront of our ears by these performing monkeys.
LOL oh dear, so much wrong with this post it's unreal. They have no talent but they won a talent show?
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Old 18-01-2008, 15:22
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you should have said "talent show"
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Old 18-01-2008, 16:24
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LOL oh dear, so much wrong with this post it's unreal. They have no talent but they won a talent show?
Talent does not equate to being able to sing 2 minutes of a tune in key.

I don't see why people should be praised just because they can sing a note, I want a lot more from an artist than that!

People can like what they like obviously but I hate the praise heaped on people like Leona when it is completely undeserved!
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Old 18-01-2008, 16:30
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Talent does not equate to being able to sing 2 minutes of a tune in key.

I don't see why people should be praised just because they can sing a note, I want a lot more from an artist than that!

People can like what they like obviously but I hate the praise heaped on people like Leona when it is completely undeserved!
Undeserved in your opinion! Personally I think someone like Leona has far more talent than the hundreds and hundreds of indie bands who all sound exactly the same. Frankly I couldn't care less how "hard" they've worked or how they play their own instruments etc etc. Talent - like almost everything else - is subjective and just because you don't think someone is talented it doesn't mean you are right.
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Old 18-01-2008, 16:33
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With idiotic comments like that, I think you are showing yourself to be someone with only two braincells to rub together.

On topic, it has found decent singers, Shayne and Leona are both very talented although Shayne didn't get the material he deserved for his first album.

While it's on TV, of course it's about the judges. It's an entertainment show, but whether it be Leona Lewis or Will Young in the UK or Kelly Clarkson or Carrie Underwood in the US, it still provides a platform for talented singers to build a career.

The only effect it has on the music industry is that more music is sold and more people are able to take an interest in it. The albums don't neccessarily sell well (just ask Steve Brookstein or Michelle McManus).

As for Pop Idol, it was never anymore "credible" than X Factor.
Ha ha ha - and you've got the nerve to talk about idiotic comments!
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Old 18-01-2008, 17:33
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Excellent post Ethereal , what needs to be ended is the snobbish attitude certain people have towards artists who come from talent shows.


You only have to look at Kate Nash and Lilly Allen. Can't sing , write lyrics like a couple of toddlers yet get so much critical praise yet those from talent shows get all this snobbery purely because of where they came from.

And as Ethereal said , talent is subjective , I prefer Leona over the extremely overrated "hip" indie bands around today. I don't even understand what distinguishes each of them from each other. In my opinion just playing guitars and talking into a microphone is not talent.
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Old 18-01-2008, 17:39
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Why is it called X-Factor anyway? Why not Pop Idol?

Let's face facts - there are hundreds of talented rock vocalists, guitarists, drummers and bassists out there who will never make it on the X-Factor, because it is searching purely for a stereotypical pop voice.

If someone like Bruce Dickinson (Iron Maiden) were to go and sing on it, I'd bet that he wouldn't even make it through to the second round due to the pop/money orientated nature of the competition, despite him having a fantastic voice with both high and low range. The only difference is in the style.

So for me, the competition never held any credibility. At least Pop Idol was honest in the programmes title.
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