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iPod Touch £12.99 Update- Outraged?- sign the petition..
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Ewanb75
18-01-2008
I did select it from the shop. but it never had a price and its ready for me to press update on the sync page. Nothin asked me to pay or ask for password. My touch is jb anyway so I have plenty of apps on it.
Inspiration
18-01-2008
I wish the touch had a camera. I'd have bought one if it had.
Pretinama
18-01-2008
I paid the £12.99 and am delighted with the apps - the email and mapping ones are especially useful.

When I bought my iPod touch it did what the box said, and still does now that a new software update is available. Your original purchase still stands and your iPod is just as good as when you bought it. Apple is a *business* and while I would much rather get things for free, don't begrudge paying for stuff I'll use.
Virtuousdream
18-01-2008
Do you get the movie rental app?
itviss
19-01-2008
I think it's a little stupid. I mean, firmware is often updated on these kinds of devices. I think charging for firmware updates, when they've always traditionally been free is a little nasty.
Sananda Maitreya
19-01-2008
Originally Posted by itviss:
“I think it's a little stupid. I mean, firmware is often updated on these kinds of devices. I think charging for firmware updates, when they've always traditionally been free is a little nasty.”

there is a firmware update to 1.1.3; this is free. it's the five applications which cost £12.99.
TheSoulBrother
19-01-2008
Originally Posted by itviss:
“I think it's a little stupid. I mean, firmware is often updated on these kinds of devices. I think charging for firmware updates, when they've always traditionally been free is a little nasty.”

Get your facts straight. The firmware update IS free.

This is the equivalent of buying software. Software doesn't develop itself. It costs money to do it.

If you don't want, don't buy.
late8
19-01-2008
Originally Posted by TheSoulBrother:
“Get your facts straight. The firmware update IS free.

This is the equivalent of buying software. Software doesn't develop itself. It costs money to do it.

If you don't want, don't buy.”

The Software was already available on the iPhone which is basically the ipodtouch with a phone intergrated. Apple have just coppied the apps and made it available. Jailbreak style.

This is unfair for early adopters -who also probably would have paid more for the ipod touch as internet prices drop a little.
Sananda Maitreya
19-01-2008
Originally Posted by late8:
“The Software was already available on the iPhone which is basically the ipodtouch with a phone intergrated. Apple have just coppied the apps and made it available. Jailbreak style.

This is unfair for early adopters -who also probably would have paid more for the ipod touch as internet prices drop a little.”

i don't see why apple shouldn't profit from further distribution of the apps you quite rightly say were developed for iphone. isn't that the point of selling software? to sell as many copies as possible having developed it?

were you not happy with the deal when you bought your ipod touch? you knew it didn't have those apps. you knew iphone had those apps but preferred to buy ipod touch. did apple give you to understand that these apps were coming to ipod touch at all let alone for free. do you think buying something as soon as it comes out entitles you to always have the current specification? do you have an unrealistic sense of entitlement?
TheSoulBrother
19-01-2008
Originally Posted by late8:
“The Software was already available on the iPhone which is basically the ipodtouch with a phone intergrated. Apple have just coppied the apps and made it available. Jailbreak style.

This is unfair for early adopters -who also probably would have paid more for the ipod touch as internet prices drop a little.”

Yes, and iPhone users are paying a premium for those extra features.

Do people feel it is unfair when the price of their TV drops by 50% in 6 months? Being an early adopter is fraught with risk, but the benefit is getting the cool stuff before anybody else.
Sananda Maitreya
19-01-2008
i can think of a couple of examples of apple customers feeling rightly hard done by. first, the $200 price drop for iphone after just 66 days. it was a very large and very quick price drop and not at all the sort of thing apple normally do. second, some customers bought airport extreme base stations and hard drives because steve jobs expressly said that time machine would work with these items. it doesn't. but apple have brought out time capsule which does.

those are examples of kicking early adopters in the teeth. these five apps for £12 are not.
cussywoo
23-01-2008
Quote:
“ Do people feel it is unfair when the price of their TV drops by 50% in 6 months? Being an early adopter is fraught with risk, but the benefit is getting the cool stuff before anybody else.”

Good analogy but i doubt people would think it was fair to buy a TV for 270 in october but then by january you can buy the same TV for the same amount of money but with more features

People expect prices drops, they dont expect to pay the same amount of money for a product that has less on
Sananda Maitreya
23-01-2008
Originally Posted by cussywoo:
“Good analogy but i doubt people would think it was fair to buy a TV for 270 in october but then by january you can buy the same TV for the same amount of money but with more features

People expect prices drops, they dont expect to pay the same amount of money for a product that has less on”

i just think that's all complete rubbish.
andybno1
23-01-2008
Originally Posted by TheSoulBrother:
“Do people feel it is unfair when the price of their TV drops by 50% in 6 months? Being an early adopter is fraught with risk, but the benefit is getting the cool stuff before anybody else.”

thats different to this, what your saying is buying equipment then it being dropped in price, the touch's that are going to be sold in shops with the 1.1.3 with apps bundled in haven't been reduced in price, they are charging the same price as the early adopters but getting the apps for free while us early adopters have to PAY for them so your statement is a bit pointless.
infiniteloop
23-01-2008
I can't believe anyone is whining about £12.99. iPod games are chargeable, why shouldn't extra apps be that were never on the touch in the first place? Especially considering the quality of the apps. Google Maps is AMAZING, and worth the money by itself easily.

When are people ever going to learn that things get better as time goes on? Of course the new touched have the updates & apps...the next revision might have 32gb, are you going to whine about that too?
Alex Duggan
23-01-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“ second, some customers bought airport extreme base stations and hard drives because steve jobs expressly said that time machine would work with these items. it doesn't. but apple have brought out time capsule which does.”

The latest ADC build of OS X 10.5.2 has actually (re)addded support for this when using a standard Airport Extreme base station and a external HD. Hopefully it'll still be present when it's released, but they must have added it back in for some reason!
_jbaw_
23-01-2008
i dont for the life of me understand why ipod touch owners are so het up over this. As an iphone owner, i didnt even know there would be software upgrades and addons over the life of the product until after i bought it, and either way it wouldnt of swayed my decesion - but because of its purpose, apple have modifyed it, added a couple of things (not apps, other than itunes - which is for buying things from APPLE, the last update added a few features to google maps which should of been there in the first place, the ability to move our icons about on the homescreen, the ability to add an icon as a bookmark, and the ability to send SMS's to multiple people - amazing stuff eh!?!) to enhance it's native features but they haven't added any new apps, we have to wait for the sdk for that ( and there is nothing to say that any product of the SDK will be free either)

now why, when you bought an ipod, would you expect to get new free features/apps for it? It's an out of the box mp3 player, which at no point in any incarnation has been suggested to get new apps. the touch and iphone simply look the same, they arnt the same product. to be quite honest, its up to you if you want them. If you think they are worth £12 get them, if you dont, then dont, it's that simple. Complaining about it wont dont a thing, Apple never promised add-on's for the touch, and if they have added them to newer touch's for free, its just because they wanted to show that they can do what they said - change a software product at their leisure, where as they mentioned heavily that the plan with the iphone was to upgrade and change it to prove what it could do with it and reassess how people approached what a phone should be

it's not apple's fault if you didn't pay attention (and i'm not personally that keen on apple) and you have no more grounds to complain than if they released an all new touch tommorow that had twice the battery life and storage for the price. Early adapters always pay a premium in some way, and if you have a problem with that you need to start and wait for the product to find it's feet and see what it's makers do with it before investing your cash into it, otherwise you run the risk of paying over the odds for less. This has always been a risk of being an early adapter and just because YOU went out and bought one straight away doesnt mean a company owes you anymore than someone who bought it six months down the line. Apple are a massive business and operate like any other would, and therefore wont give you something for free when you already have arguably the most advanced mp3 player around which you were perfectly happy with till you heard you would have to pay £12.99 for new, optional extras for. My HD TV is on finance, ive had it a year now and its dropped £400 in price and theyve slightly changed it to make it look a little nicer. Thats annoying - not unfair, i paid more believing they wouldnt drop in price that quick and as a result owe more on a year old tele than a new one would cost - BUT i got to enjoy a HD TV a year earlier, so i benefited and just have to cough up for my choice

i personally love my iphone - i think it does live up the hype - something i never thought i would say
moisie
23-01-2008
More often than not Apple keep prices at the same level and add new features. I don't see the difference between not changing a product and lowering the price and changing the product but keeping the price the same, any drop in price has been offset by the upgrade of features. Either way you're getting more for your money over time. Apple are generally more concerned with their products price points within the market. If they drop the iPod Touch price they would do so having reviewed the rest of their panel of iPod's. The iPhone is in its own market and thus if they decide they want to reduce profit per device to try and increase their overall sales then they're perfectly free to do so.
andybno1
23-01-2008
the way I see it they should bundle the new 1.1.3 touch's out with the update only and then the new users also have the option to buy the apps............. this is probably the main reason for the upraor because they are letting new ipod touch buyers have the apps while those of us who bought it before the update have to pay, if they made all ipod touch user pay I dont think there would be as much of a uproar.

I think people keep overlooking the fact people will be getting them for free where as people before the updae dont and seem to focus on people complaining I dunno I am just sitting tight till end of feb to get the new jailbreak
Sananda Maitreya
23-01-2008
Originally Posted by andybno1:
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I think people keep overlooking the fact people will be getting them for free where as people before the updae dont and seem to focus on people complaining”

we're not overlooking anything.

those buying touches now are not getting anything for free. they are paying for the whole deal. but the deal on offer has changed since you bought your touch. deals change in technology: prices and/or specs are not static.

there is no point of principle here. are you so short of money you can't afford £12? i guess no new apps for you then. so you'll be left with exactly what you bought. presumably bought willingly.
_jbaw_
23-01-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“we're not overlooking anything.

those buying touches now are not getting anything for free. they are paying for the whole deal. but the deal on offer has changed since you bought your touch. deals change in technology: prices and/or specs are not static.

there is no point of principle here. are you so short of money you can't afford £12? i guess no new apps for you then. so you'll be left with exactly what you bought. presumably bought willingly.”

spot on, to paraphrase Ronsil, You bought your Touch because "it (currently) does exactly what it says on the tin"

why should new features be handed out to early adapters for free? where is the benefit - people wouldnt buy new nanos? are people with 2nd gen nano's complaing because they cant watch video (even though arguably it would only take a software update to enable it) it has a full colour screen, and ive seen videos playing on it through some hackery BUT does that mean that adapters of those nano's should have the features a brand new one does?

The reason for apple's success is because the take away features your used to, and wait long enough till you get used to not having them, then annouce them as new features to get everyone wet. It's basically money for old rope, and apple have made much money doing it and they do it with EVERY ipod - people should be wise to the fact that if you buy apple products early on, you will, in the longrun lose out.
Melanie858
24-01-2008
I juts got an iPod touch today for my birthday. My mum probably bought it about a week ago. Do I just get these new applications for free or do I have to pay £12.99? I just cnnected my Touch to the PC for the first time and downloaded an update (for free) - is this the same as the £12.99 one?

Edit: It doesn't matter, my questions been answered cuz I now have the option to buy the £12.99 software (which I'm not going to bother with). So I guess I just got the iPod a few days too early to have it included.
aaronon
25-01-2008
I think you probably fall in a grace period (buying after MacWorld)

Send a form explaining the situation.

Apple usually reply with a very personal e-mail and will most likely sort it out.

http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/store/browser/
andybno1
25-01-2008
well good news is the jailbreak for 1.1.3 has been released and someone has found out how to get the apps to show on the touch
Melanie858
26-01-2008
Originally Posted by ntl:rocks:
“I think you probably fall in a grace period (buying after MacWorld)

Send a form explaining the situation.

Apple usually reply with a very personal e-mail and will most likely sort it out.

http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/store/browser/”

Thanks for this. I got a reply to say they will refund me the £12.99 once I purchase the upgrade ! They even wished me a happy birthday in the reply!
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