I see on the BB website that Ray told Cam that he is hoping that everything goes to plan on Friday i.e. that Lisa goes.

Is that not backstabbing ?

By the way, I know that it is Cam & Steph that are up, but they should be judged by the same criteria as everyone else. Would you be so keen to evict Scott next week for his part in the bitching ?

The other school of thought is this; isn't the bitching entertaining & funny ? Keep it coming I say; don't boot out the main perpetrators !!

Betfair have Lisa at 1.05 which means 95% of the cash says she goes, very high, the shortest price of any previous HM.

Don't vote, you are wasting your money.

If you want to bet instead of wasting money on the phone then go to Betfair and lay (be the bookmaker)the 1.05, you will probably payout but it won't be much (5p in every pound to pay out) and if Lisa happened to walk before Friday you would be getting one hell of a pay day from those betting her to go (£1 for every 5p you lay), well worth the risk as I think she will soon realise the only way to "win" is to drop Steph and Cam in to a head to head by walking.

Whose plan? Cams or Rays?

Cameron has been doing his best to persuade Ray that putting Lisa up for the vote is his best tactic ever since HOH was announced.

And you come up with one example of Ray backstabbing, conveniently forgetting the hundreds of times that Cameron has done it, and not just with Lisa. With Nush, with Jon, as well, to spring two examples that come immediately to mind.

Possibly, but the chances are that they would not have 2 'evictions' this week, & leave themselves a housemate short. Its too late to put anyone new in, so they may just leave Cam & Steph in and put all housemates to the vote next week.

Wouldn't that be interesting !

And, oh, by your very own argument, the other housemates will continue to bitch about Lisa.

And secondly, only one of Cam or Steph can go. So the other one will remain.

I say, knock Cam out.

Maybe I am getting the wrong end of the stick here, but surely if Lisa walks, then the Friday eviction won't go ahead as planned anyway, wouldn't it become void.

Glenghis

Ray apparently told Cameron that he nominated him to ensure that Lisa goes; so yes, it is Ray's plan.

He cannot stand Lisa (as witnessed on Nominations Uncut tonight) so he would rather the group got back to the original 5 for next week.

they can't afford not to have an eviction this week, that is what makes the lay bet on Lisa worthwhile.

no it would not be void, you are betting on Lisa being evicted, if she walks she cannot be evicted, bet won.

Has it ever happened in the other BBs that an HM put up to the public vote did a runner before Friday? I recall Tim threatening to do escape, but was persuaded to stick it out.

He was OK with Lisa until Cam had a go at him about it. What wasn't shown clearly was that the chinese burn incident was preceeded with Ray trying to ask Cam what it was that he had against Lisa, which Cam refused to answer.

Then Cam and Steph started having a go at him about Lisa, and how awful she was.

It's all documented on DS liveupdates and here and there on this site.

I thought the argument blew up because Ray wouldn't let Cam answer; was that not what Scott kept going on about to Ray ?

Exactly. However I think if Lisa stays in then their attitude towards her may change! They will be shocked that the public like her and might think that isolating Lisa is actually helping her to win public sympathy. Therefore they will be sucking up to her bigtime.

If Ray broke BB rules by discussing his nomination shouldnt he get evicted?

True; but with all his rule breaking I think that he would have been evicted by now if he was ever going to be !

No, Cam was refusing to answer, and Ray kept repeating the question.

No, Cam was refusing to answer, and Ray kept repeating the question

So why was Scott telling Ray to let Cam answer, and that Ray should shut up & listen ?

Exactly- and I'm still quite annoyed about the Africa fix. I know where we should send him- to Cameroon, to live! I still can't believe that computer-geek Jon managed to beat Anouska and Fed in the votes and then lose to that superbore that is Cam.

P.S. I was so glad Gos went before he could become part of the couch!

I don't know. Do you? They thought Ray was drunk. That bit came later in the conversation, anyway.

Ray's question - or the reason for it was another thing that wasn't shown clearly on the highlights.

I don't know; but that was a prime example of why Cam should stay. Who else in the house would be prepared to take ray on in an argument ? Certainly not Lisa, who won't say boo to a goose !

Steph's cutting her own hair with big scissors. Shes no the brightest but jezus I thought only 6 year olds did that.

Well don't vote people. It doesn't look like there is going to be much chance of saving Lisa.

But there is something particularly interesting about BB requiring Ray to nominate three people. No HM has been required to nominate three before in any series of BB. Even when the top three were going to be up, it was because it was a double eviction and everyone still only had two nominations.

And in BB3 when they had a open nomination in exchange for watching a video of friends from home, it was still only two people up.

So why three? Why change the rules at this point?

How might have things been different if Ray had just had to nominate 2? I think it would probably still have been Cameron and Lisa, with Lisa going, but the vote to evict Cameron would have been more focused obviously.

It would be possible to do this. It really would. It would only take 300,000 votes or so to swing the voting Cameron's way. If 30,000 people who don['t like Cameron vote 10 times each, there you are - it's in the bag. 10 votes is only £2.50. There must be 30,000 people out there who would like to see the look on his face as his name is called out. Why not give it a go? Tell your friends, tell your family, get onto other forums and see what support you can mobilise. It's worth a try!

LOL.. ok confession time ... I even went and saw Slade live.... and bought their record's.
They were much better live though ..entertaining
I'm offically old LOL

Back on track... ( after the Slade diversion)

I really would love Lisa to stay this week, just because it will be so boring next week with the lot that are left being so lovey dovey.
But can I force myself to vote? I'm not sure yet... I'll wait until friday and if it's hopeless... no way will I give Endermol my money, for the sake of entertainment or otherwise!
If I do it will be to vote Cameron out..