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My letter to The Sun to support their lisa campaign
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zzenzero
08-07-2003
All anti-cameron, anti-Endemol,anti-HMs treatment of lisa, I urge you to strike now....the Sun is giving a platform whether we like them or not.My letter here is not too great,written quickly and in so much anger but i'm emailing it now.

Dear SUN,
I note with interest your "save lisa" campaign.What people who don't have E4,Internet feeds or access forums are unaware of is what has "happened" to Cameron.For whatever reasons,Endemol and Channel 4 have chosen to present Cameron in a way that is not true to what he actually does in the house.They edit their highlights show in such a way that the mass general public perceive him to be a reaqlly nice person.The fact that he was "chosen" to go to BBSA[there's enough evidence to show that it wasn't random as suggested if you study the tapes] and therefore excused two weeks nominations is ONE example of the producers BB agenda.But beyond that, there are numerous examples of Cameron's unpleasantness in the house,24/7,never being shown in the highlights etc.Here's the dossier which has been much discussed on BB Forums but never shown to the general public at large:
A] He stated that people like jon should have their faces punched in.[night before jon's eviction]
B] He suggested putting excrement in Jon's shower gel during [same night]
C] He said a similar thing that people like Fed should have THEIR faces punched in.[reward room during restaurant treat]
D]He stated that he could throttle Lisa's windpipe...before apologising later in diary room.
E]He gave Ray the infamous chinese burn.
F] He has nightly led the anti-lisa bitching behind her back.
G]His constant touching/fondling of nush then nominating her is very strange.

These are not the actions of a nice man,yet BB producers continue to portay him in an angelic,christian light.
On the double eviction night,when Cameron was widely expected to be evicted,the BB producers did some hatchet editing on Jon whilst omitting cameron's nastiness the previous night.
Cameron is the most disliked HM in the forums,amongst people who have seen him 24/7,but it does seem that Endemol have marked him down to win this year.
The saying; "Who goes,you decide " seems not so this year because of some very dodgy dealings during the eviction voting procedures.This issue has been raised in previous series,none more so than Bubbles[v Paul] in BB2 and Spencer[v Alex] in BB3.Whatever control Endemol may or may not have in voting outcomes,one thing IS for sure.Their editing THIS series has been so over the top that E4 viwers have been up in arms.Cameron has been the main beneficiary,perhaps the only one,and whilst your support of Lisa this week is to be admired in the circumstances of BB4,a follow-up on the Cameron Facts[all documented on the full E4 feeds] might be an interesting line of enquiry for you.
There's a huge story/expose here on how Endemol has manipulated the public and not very subtly too.
Viewers,contestants,the Press ultimately have little say.Endemol THEY decide who reaches the final 4, who wins.
I'm amazed no national daily has ever picked up on this crookedness.
Late addition to the above having just watched appallingly biased editing of ch4 highlights show:
Well they've surpassed themselves !!
Instead of showing the HMs bitching mercilessly,they show them apologising!!!!
While they show poor lisa in diary room talking of whats been happening to her[reported one might say] we see the HMs running around garden happily and merrily but NOT bitching.The public see this and compare to misery-guts lisa moaning in diary room!! outrageous editing.Then to end we see that nice cameron and steph with lisa NOT being horrible,making public wonder why all the fuss!
I'm sorry but with this sort of bias,your lisa campaign has no chance unless you show how BB are stitching lisa up in their editing.
yours
Eusebius
08-07-2003
good for you zzenzero, let's hope the Sun publishes that.....preferably without any editing
Fight Fan
08-07-2003
I think you are correct their editing is very poor, yesterdays program hardly showed any of the Lisa bitching that went on for about 4 hours non stop, they must have shown about 40 seconds, I find Camerons bitching funny though because you can tell he's not thinking before spouting it out, it does make for better viewing
Papyrus
08-07-2003
This is not meant in any way to debase your letter zzenzero. In any case, in all seriousness The Sun will consider what you say and use inherent precepts if they so choose to make a case to save Lisa etc etc.

However, I'm sure that the reporters at The Sun are very aware of the issues you indeed raised. There have been many claims of this type of manipulation etc in the past and was reference to it on here.

The Sun are in it for self-interest. They are usually selling bucketloads of papers at this time of year, especially as lots more individuals are enthused with BB. But they are not reaping the benefits of former successes and what better way to make a salient point than to 'Save Lisa'. It also saves The Sun from supporting any other individual in the show and saving themselves at least a six-figure sum by default.

Again there is no harm in trying. At least it makes you feel better and if the final result you expect doesn't happen you can't say that you sat back and didn't try. If it does work then that's a bonus. Just how serious is The Sun's real intent?
Papyrus
08-07-2003
I hope you don't take offence... I have to offer so many palliatives on here these days...
zzenzero
08-07-2003
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“Originally posted by Papyrus
I hope you don't take offence... I have to offer so many palliatives on here these days... ”

No, its cool.thanks for your comments.
Papyrus
08-07-2003
Thanks.
Papyrus
08-07-2003
Sorry, to add again...
...but you were right in what you did. If you see erroneous situations then don't let them persist. At least, you can try to do something about them. And you did.
Winston Smith
09-07-2003
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“Originally posted by Papyrus
Sorry, to add again...
...but you were right in what you did. If you see erroneous situations then don't let them persist. At least, you can try to do something about them. And you did.
”

Well, I'm composing a letter to Cameron's church, complete with very solid biblical quotes to get him censured by his congregation. Trouble is, I don't have the address. Can anyone help?
Lucytash
09-07-2003
Has anyone ever tried to call the phone-ins on BBLB or RI:SE to ask why these nasty incidents are not being shown. There must surely be an articulate poster who is able to con their way into getting a call through & then dropping the bombshell before being cut-off?
The_Green_Man
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Winston Smith
Well, I'm composing a letter to Cameron's church, complete with very solid biblical quotes to get him censured by his congregation. Trouble is, I don't have the address. Can anyone help? ”

Just send it to 'God, Orkneys' it'll get there.
Papyrus
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Winston Smith
Well, I'm composing a letter to Cameron's church, complete with very solid biblical quotes to get him censured by his congregation. Trouble is, I don't have the address. Can anyone help? ”

Well, if you are being serious and I don't think you are; check out http://www.orcadian.co.uk/index.html

Cameron belongs to a baptist church and the address shouldn't be too hard to locate from there.
JonDoe
09-07-2003
Well I've composed a prayer to god, pointing out various instances of Cameron's unchristian behaviour over the last six weeks.

I'll be spamming the big man nightly until Cameron has been forsaken.
Papyrus
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Lucytash
Has anyone ever tried to call the phone-ins on BBLB or RI:SE to ask why these nasty incidents are not being shown. There must surely be an articulate poster who is able to con their way into getting a call through & then dropping the bombshell before being cut-off? ”

I'm sure there will be another so called 'public-forum' debate about BB4. It may happen in Edinburgh as last year. I just wouldn't hold out too much hope. Censorship is power etc etc...
Papyrus
09-07-2003
Even if BB is seen as corrupted, manipulated etc... when exposed it means nothing really.
Bodders
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Lucytash
Has anyone ever tried to call the phone-ins on BBLB or RI:SE to ask why these nasty incidents are not being shown. There must surely be an articulate poster who is able to con their way into getting a call through & then dropping the bombshell before being cut-off? ”

The majority of 'live' programmes have a delay of several seconds - I would expect it's actually about thirty seconds so that they can cut off callers if they want. 'Technical problems mean we can't speak to blah blah, let's go to...'
Pharcyde
09-07-2003
it is a TV show owned by Ch4 - they can show it/edit it however they want to

go watch the movie Quiz Show
Winston Smith
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Papyrus
Well, if you are being serious and I don't think you are; check out http://www.orcadian.co.uk/index.html

Cameron belongs to a baptist church and the address shouldn't be too hard to locate from there.
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Absolutely sod all of any use there.

Got the address 'though. Intriguingly difficult to find.
Lucytash
09-07-2003
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“Originally posted by Bodders
The majority of 'live' programmes have a delay of several seconds - I would expect it's actually about thirty seconds so that they can cut off callers if they want. 'Technical problems mean we can't speak to blah blah, let's go to...' ”

I might have known! It's very frustrating for those who want to get the truth shown.
The_Green_Man
09-07-2003
According to this site he attends Kirkwall Baptist Church and the address is here.
Winston Smith
09-07-2003
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“Originally posted by The_Green_Man
According to this site he attends Kirkwall Baptist Church and the address is here. ”

Thanks. Got it already.

Of course, sending this letter means I will have absolutely bugger all chance of sucessfully applying to BB in the future. Not sure I want to, but it would be nice to have the option.

Ho Hum.
The_Green_Man
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Winston Smith
Thanks. Got it already.

Of course, sending this letter means I will have absolutely bugger all chance of sucessfully applying to BB in the future. Not sure I want to, but it would be nice to have the option.

Ho Hum.
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Why do you think that? Do you think they'd tell on you?!
Papyrus
09-07-2003
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“Originally posted by Winston Smith
Absolutely sod all of any use there.

Got the address 'though. Intriguingly difficult to find.
”

i had the address all the time but thought I'd make it difficult and make you work for it. That's if you really wanted it, and it looks as if you did.

Now, ensure that you send that letter. If you don't Winston I'll see you in the BB house next year.
The_Green_Man
09-07-2003
Anyone from this forum who gets into the house in future years should have a code word or phrase so we'll all know. Something like, "What would Jesus do? Sh*t in his shoes or put a thumb over her windpipe?" to be muttered at various intervals so we'd all know who you are!
Winston Smith
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by The_Green_Man
Why do you think that? Do you think they'd tell on you?! ”

Well, this letter is reasoned and authoratitive and is an account of his behaviour in the house and how it relates to Christian teachings and the interpretation of them by the Baptists in particular. I employ no insulting or inflammatory language whatsoever and I am taking the position of regret that someone can be so easily misled into believing that they are following the path of Christian teaching whilst behaving like he does. I am counselling that they instruct him in where he has gone wrong and am advising that he publicly apologise to the people he has acted against in this way.

If my letter has any effect, therefore, it is likely that he will employ the media to recant. Will my letter be quoted? I don't know. But I do think that my action would taint my perception in the eyes of the BB producers.

Extremely loose cannon with the tenacity to pursue that which offends. Not likely to be very attractive, is it?
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