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Old 09-07-2003, 00:55
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Originally posted by The_Green_Man
Anyone from this forum who gets into the house in future years should have a code word or phrase so we'll all know. Something like, "What would Jesus do? Sh*t in his shoes or put a thumb over her windpipe?" to be muttered at various intervals so we'd all know who you are!
If I get in, I'm really gonna be frightened to let you lot know who I am...
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Old 09-07-2003, 00:56
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Originally posted by Papyrus
If I get in, I'm really gonna be frightened to let you lot know who I am...
Not as much as I will, I bet.
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Old 09-07-2003, 00:57
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if camerons behaviour has upset so many people why is there no mention of ray and scotts antics. Hmmm..Ray gave Nush a chinese burn, before he recieved his from Cam and was told it was in part in return for his attack on Nush. Ray is a bloody psychotic when he has partaken of the alchohol. He even turned on his mate Scott.
2 grown men pin down 1 defenceless female ( Nush ) and proceed to force feed her on pasta...Hmmm ray and scott again??
Scott then proceeds to slag her of and throws insults , has an arguement with Cameron and says he doesnt give a shit what ray thinks when cameron mentions buying kit kats.DID WE SEE THIS ON CHANNEL 4. NOT A CHANCE. Lets make Cameron the scapegoat.. on sunday when they got the reward room I do believe the bitching about Lisa started in the PUB and then they came out to tell Cameron...He did not start it then .....As for Lisa is she so innocent , did she not try to hatch a plan with Ray.. I do believe she did.
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Old 09-07-2003, 00:57
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Originally posted by Papyrus
If I get in, I'm really gonna be frightened to let you lot know who I am...
That's OK, you're bound to explain to someone how sophistry was decried as a debating technique over 2000 years ago and they really shouldn't resort to it now.

Then we'll know it's you
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Old 09-07-2003, 00:58
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Originally posted by The_Green_Man
According to this site he attends Kirkwall Baptist Church and the address is here.
Thanks for that

But... bog all reference there eh!

ADDENDUM: I don't think Cameron is a bad bloke, he makes mistakes like all of us, but I do think he's gone about this the wrong way. I'm not sure that's a reason for chucking him out.

Lisa's whole attitude is, to me, more of a reason.

Steph, apart from being a normal human-being has done nothing to deserve eviction.
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Old 09-07-2003, 00:58
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I really am that scary.
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Old 09-07-2003, 00:58
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Originally posted by jack1314
if camerons behaviour has upset so many people why is there no mention of ray and scotts antics.
Because they do not profess to follow any particular code of conduct
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:00
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Originally posted by Bodders
That's OK, you're bound to explain to someone how sophistry was decried as a debating technique over 2000 years ago and they really shouldn't resort to it now.

Then we'll know it's you
You're right, there will be so many identifiers as I've given too much away already.

I hope it doesn't hamper my chances.
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:04
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Originally posted by zzenzero
All anti-cameron, anti-Endemol,anti-HMs treatment of lisa, I urge you to strike now....the Sun is giving a platform whether we like them or not.My letter here is not too great,written quickly and in so much anger but i'm emailing it now.

Dear SUN,
I note with interest your "save lisa" campaign.What people who don't have E4,Internet feeds or access forums are unaware of is what has "happened" to Cameron.For whatever reasons,Endemol and Channel 4 have chosen to present Cameron in a way that is not true to what he actually does in the house.They edit their highlights show in such a way that the mass general public perceive him to be a reaqlly nice person.The fact that he was "chosen" to go to BBSA[there's enough evidence to show that it wasn't random as suggested if you study the tapes] and therefore excused two weeks nominations is ONE example of the producers BB agenda.But beyond that, there are numerous examples of Cameron's unpleasantness in the house,24/7,never being shown in the highlights etc.Here's the dossier which has been much discussed on BB Forums but never shown to the general public at large:
A] He stated that people like jon should have their faces punched in.[night before jon's eviction]
B] He suggested putting excrement in Jon's shower gel during [same night]
C] He said a similar thing that people like Fed should have THEIR faces punched in.[reward room during restaurant treat]
D]He stated that he could throttle Lisa's windpipe...before apologising later in diary room.
E]He gave Ray the infamous chinese burn.
F] He has nightly led the anti-lisa bitching behind her back.
G]His constant touching/fondling of nush then nominating her is very strange.

These are not the actions of a nice man,yet BB producers continue to portay him in an angelic,christian light.
On the double eviction night,when Cameron was widely expected to be evicted,the BB producers did some hatchet editing on Jon whilst omitting cameron's nastiness the previous night.
Cameron is the most disliked HM in the forums,amongst people who have seen him 24/7,but it does seem that Endemol have marked him down to win this year.
The saying; "Who goes,you decide " seems not so this year because of some very dodgy dealings during the eviction voting procedures.This issue has been raised in previous series,none more so than Bubbles[v Paul] in BB2 and Spencer[v Alex] in BB3.Whatever control Endemol may or may not have in voting outcomes,one thing IS for sure.Their editing THIS series has been so over the top that E4 viwers have been up in arms.Cameron has been the main beneficiary,perhaps the only one,and whilst your support of Lisa this week is to be admired in the circumstances of BB4,a follow-up on the Cameron Facts[all documented on the full E4 feeds] might be an interesting line of enquiry for you.
There's a huge story/expose here on how Endemol has manipulated the public and not very subtly too.
Viewers,contestants,the Press ultimately have little say.Endemol THEY decide who reaches the final 4, who wins.
I'm amazed no national daily has ever picked up on this crookedness.
Late addition to the above having just watched appallingly biased editing of ch4 highlights show:
Well they've surpassed themselves !!
Instead of showing the HMs bitching mercilessly,they show them apologising!!!!
While they show poor lisa in diary room talking of whats been happening to her[reported one might say] we see the HMs running around garden happily and merrily but NOT bitching.The public see this and compare to misery-guts lisa moaning in diary room!! outrageous editing.Then to end we see that nice cameron and steph with lisa NOT being horrible,making public wonder why all the fuss!
I'm sorry but with this sort of bias,your lisa campaign has no chance unless you show how BB are stitching lisa up in their editing.
yours
I'm sorry - but having had many letters published in the Sun over the years - there is no chance in hell of your letter making it in.

It's far, far, far too long. Have you even looked at the length of the average Sun letter?

Most tends to be three lines - but some have known to be as short as twelve words..

Try again if you want - but you need to be much more succinct.
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:05
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Originally posted by Papyrus
You're right, there will be so many identifiers as I've given too much away already.

I hope it doesn't hamper my chances.
Oh, I wouldn't have thought so. Only potential problem is they might view you as too capable of deconstructing the experience even if you're in it so the pressure might not apply. If you didn't feel the same pressures as others in the house, you might not be as worthwhile.
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:08
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Originally posted by jack1314
if camerons behaviour has upset so many people why is there no mention of ray and scotts antics. Hmmm..Ray gave Nush a chinese burn, before he recieved his from Cam and was told it was in part in return for his attack on Nush. Ray is a bloody psychotic when he has partaken of the alchohol. He even turned on his mate Scott.
2 grown men pin down 1 defenceless female ( Nush ) and proceed to force feed her on pasta...Hmmm ray and scott again??
Scott then proceeds to slag her of and throws insults , has an arguement with Cameron and says he doesnt give a shit what ray thinks when cameron mentions buying kit kats.DID WE SEE THIS ON CHANNEL 4. NOT A CHANCE. Lets make Cameron the scapegoat.. on sunday when they got the reward room I do believe the bitching about Lisa started in the PUB and then they came out to tell Cameron...He did not start it then .....As for Lisa is she so innocent , did she not try to hatch a plan with Ray.. I do believe she did.
Sorry if you feel people are demonising Cameron, but I do not feel this is the case.

The remaining housemates, I think, are regarded with equal contempt.
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:09
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Originally posted by maskeddebator
I'm sorry - but having had many letters published in the Sun over the years - there is no chance in hell of your letter making it in.

It's far, far, far too long. Have you even looked at the length of the average Sun letter?

Most tends to be three lines - but some have known to be as short as twelve words..

Try again if you want - but you need to be much more succinct.
They may very probably rewrite the letter themselves so it appears in a truncated form.
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:12
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Bodders, you know that's true: I was too self-aware even prior to the airing of the first BB. That's what gave me my superfan interest...

I had my application 'action plan' ready four odd years ago but now and am more than ready to apply. And partly because everyone feels utterly despaired at how they feel they've been let down this year.

Earlier on in here, I said there would be no chance of me making it through the application process. I'm just too psychological/sociological etc.

I'm still applying though.
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:14
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Originally posted by ben4321
They may very probably rewrite the letter themselves so it appears in a truncated form.
No - they won't. It's too long and rambling. They'll hit delete a few lines in.
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:21
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I'm sorry - but having had many letters published in the Sun over the years.....
Letters page or Dear Deirdre?
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:27
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Originally posted by mystic_nutmeg
Letters page or Dear Deirdre?
To paraphrase a popular figure from a certain TV show we all talk about a lot...

"As someone who's made a shitload of money from writing to The Sun..."

Do you realise how much they pay for letters?
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:29
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Originally posted by maskeddebator
No - they won't. It's too long and rambling. They'll hit delete a few lines in.
Actually a friend of mine once wrote a letter to the Daily Mirror. It was *completely* altered. "We reserve the right to edit readers' letters in the interests of brevity and clarity."
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:33
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Originally posted by maskeddebator
...Do you realise how much they pay for letters?
25 quid maybe..?

But then as ...Most tend to be three lines - but some have known to be as short as twelve words... it really is quite a bit of money.
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:34
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Originally posted by ben4321
Actually a friend of mine once wrote a letter to the Daily Mirror. It was *completely* altered. "We reserve the right to edit readers' letters in the interests of brevity and clarity."
Oh yes - they completely alter stuff. But they won't bother with something so long and rambling.
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:40
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Originally posted by Papyrus
25 quid maybe..?

But then as ...Most tend to be three lines - but some have known to be as short as twelve words... it really is quite a bit of money.
Years ago when I first started writing we were advised at college to get letters printed in mags and papers for practice. It was easy money - often a pound a word. We used to have a competition each term to see who could earn the highest amount per word. The record was for a joke sent into Readers Digest and was in excess of £10 a word!
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:40
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25 quid? Crikey

Sounds like maybe we should stop posting to DSBB and email them to the Sun instead. 1000 posts = 25 grand
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:42
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Originally posted by The_Green_Man
Years ago when I first started writing we were advised at college to get letters printed in mags and papers for practice. It was easy money - often a pound a word. We used to have a competition each term to see who could earn the highest amount per word. The record was for a joke sent into Readers Digest and was in excess of £10 a word!
That's cool. And I bet there are many still doing it today...
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:46
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Originally posted by The_Green_Man
Years ago when I first started writing we were advised at college to get letters printed in mags and papers for practice. It was easy money - often a pound a word. We used to have a competition each term to see who could earn the highest amount per word. The record was for a joke sent into Readers Digest and was in excess of £10 a word!
Very interesting. A select group of people regularly appear in the Sun. A few years ago it was quite small - and that benefitted me and paid for a good portion of my uni education.

I'd always wondered if there were other 'pro's' out there - and it looks like I was right.
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:47
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Originally posted by mystic_nutmeg
25 quid? Crikey

Sounds like maybe we should stop posting to DSBB and email them to the Sun instead. 1000 posts = 25 grand
I remember you from here last year and when you first joined I thought you did work for The Sun.
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:52
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I remember you from here last year and when you first joined I thought you did work for The Sun.
I can say absolutely not ..... but maskeddebator is obviously in their pay
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