My letter to The Sun to support their lisa campaign

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maskeddebator

09-07-2003

Quote:
“Originally posted by mystic_nutmeg
I can say absolutely not ..... but maskeddebator is obviously in their pay ”

Was. But at present not. Competition has gotten harder and my motivation has dipped. Stupid really, because it is easy money.

burrogrande

09-07-2003

I have taken the liberty of editing your letter, as suggested earlier by other posters, so that it is suitable for publication in The Sun

Dear SUN,
I note with interest your "Save Lisa" campaign. There are numerous examples of Cameron's pleasantness in the house,24/7,never being shown in the highlights etc. Here's the dossier which has been much discussed on BB Forums but never shown to the general public at large:
A] He stated that people like Jon.
B] He suggested putting Jon's show on.
C] He said that people like Fed.
D]He stated that he could pipe...before apologising later in diary room.
E]He gave Ray the famous chin.
F] He has nightly helped Lisa`s itching behind her back.
G]His constant touching of Nush is very Christian.

On the double eviction night, when Cameron was widely expected to be evicted, the BB producers did some hatchet editing on Jon`s nastiness the previous night.

Cameron is the most liked HM in the forums,amongst people who have seen him 24/7. The saying; "Who goes,you decide " seems so this year because of the eviction voting procedures. Whatever control Endemol may or may not have in voting outcomes,one thing IS for sure. So up Cameron, the only one to be admired.

There's a huge story/expose here on how the Press ultimately have little say. I'm amazed no national daily has ever picked up on this crookedness.

They've surpassed themselves !!
Instead of showing the HMs bitching mercilessly,they show them apologising to that nice Cameron.

I'm sorry but your campaign has no chance unless you show Lisa up on Page 3.
yours

...There, that should do it....

curtaintwitcher

09-07-2003

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“Originally posted by jack1314
if camerons behaviour has upset so many people why is there no mention of ray and scotts antics. ”

I think it has something to do with the "I am a Christian", the constant bible reading and the "what would Jesus do?". It is called hypocrisy.

Papyrus

09-07-2003

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“Originally posted by burrogrande
I have taken the liberty of editing your letter, as suggested earlier by other posters, so that it is suitable for publication in The Sun

Dear SUN,
I note with interest your "Save Lisa" campaign. There are numerous examples of Cameron's pleasantness in the house,24/7,never being shown in the highlights etc. Here's the dossier which has been much discussed on BB Forums but never shown to the general public at large:
A] He stated that people like Jon.
B] He suggested putting Jon's show on.
C] He said that people like Fed.
D]He stated that he could pipe...before apologising later in diary room.
E]He gave Ray the famous chin.
F] He has nightly helped Lisa`s itching behind her back.
G]His constant touching of Nush is very Christian.

On the double eviction night, when Cameron was widely expected to be evicted, the BB producers did some hatchet editing on Jon`s nastiness the previous night.

Cameron is the most liked HM in the forums,amongst people who have seen him 24/7. The saying; "Who goes,you decide " seems so this year because of the eviction voting procedures. Whatever control Endemol may or may not have in voting outcomes,one thing IS for sure. So up Cameron, the only one to be admired.

There's a huge story/expose here on how the Press ultimately have little say. I'm amazed no national daily has ever picked up on this crookedness.

They've surpassed themselves !!
Instead of showing the HMs bitching mercilessly,they show them apologising to that nice Cameron.

I'm sorry but your campaign has no chance unless you show Lisa up on Page 3.
yours

...There, that should do it.... ”

Check the style...

Hamlet77

09-07-2003

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“Originally posted by ben4321
Sorry if you feel people are demonising Cameron, but I do not feel this is the case.

The remaining housemates, I think, are regarded with equal contempt. ”

Well why the h**l don't you point out others faults with the same enthusiasm

H77 Begining to get a little p****d off by the ani Cameron bias on this board

ben4321

09-07-2003

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“Originally posted by Hamlet77
Well why the h**l don't you point out others faults with the same enthusiasm

H77 Begining to get a little p****d off by the ani Cameron bias on this board ”

Tough.

Cameron's gets the largest share of the criticism because not only is he utterly unpleasant to watch, he's a hypocrite too.

Hamlet77

09-07-2003

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“Originally posted by ben4321
Tough.

Cameron's gets the largest share of the criticism because not only is he utterly unpleasant to watch, he's a hypocrite too. ”

fair comment

thats the beauty of the forum we can all express opinions, you have yours I have mine.

first post was a bit of a knee jerk reaction. I offer my sincere apologies.

Khayman

09-07-2003

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“Originally posted by Winston Smith
Well, this letter is reasoned and authoratitive and is an account of his behaviour in the house and how it relates to Christian teachings and the interpretation of them by the Baptists in particular. I employ no insulting or inflammatory language whatsoever and I am taking the position of regret that someone can be so easily misled into believing that they are following the path of Christian teaching whilst behaving like he does. I am counselling that they instruct him in where he has gone wrong and am advising that he publicly apologise to the people he has acted against in this way.”

It's a good job you are here to show the misguided Cameron exactly where he is going wrong in his religious beliefs and actions. It's also good you found the time to point this out to his church

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“If my letter has any effect, therefore, it is likely that he will employ the media to recant. Will my letter be quoted? I don't know. ”

Of course it will be. They will put great weight behind the opinions of a BB viewer, one who has seen the real Cameron for what he is.

I'm sorry, and I know I shouldn't be saying anything, but this has been bothering me since I read it last night. I find it fair enough that people have extreme views about Cameron - I've said before that I hated Jade with almost the same passion. However is it really right to move beyond this forum and try to interfere with his personal life as well? Is someone going to write to his mum next?

Can't we just leave the moralising and the bitching here?

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“Extremely loose cannon with the tenacity to pursue that which offends. Not likely to be very attractive, is it?”

Sometimes you do seem that way

mistrey52

09-07-2003

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“Originally posted by Winston Smith
Well, I'm composing a letter to Cameron's church, complete with very solid biblical quotes to get him censured by his congregation. Trouble is, I don't have the address. Can anyone help? ”

Let he that is without sin cast the first stone....... Or take the plank out of your own eye before trying to remove the splinter from someone elses......... Cameron Rocks!

maskeddebator

09-07-2003

Sorry - still far too long.

A Sun letter would go something like...

I'm not surprised voting figures are down on Big Brother 4. Most of the characters are dull and the editors aren't giving a true reflection of them.

They've showed little of Cameron's nasty side - even though people who watch E4 have seen him bitch a lot.

If things keep going this way I'll switch off - and lots of others will too.

mummyhazel

09-07-2003

Or:

The way that Shameron is constantly bitching about someone in the difficult position of entering the Big Brother house after 6 weeks is hardly Christian. It's obvious now that the sanctomonious, God-bothering Orcadian fish-fondler doesn't really fancy brummy Dave-Hill-from-Slade lookalike Steff. So why don't Sun readers vote him off, so we don't have to watch paint drying whilst BB is on for our entertainment. I'm sure Welsh rarebit Lisa will be so grateful for our support that she will get out her lady-bits for Page 3 afterwards.

Nathalie

09-07-2003

OH GET OVER YOURSELVES. lisa is annoying they are pissed off with her - you all complained there was no excitement and they were living like the Waltons and now they are bitching you are not happy either. Don't watch it then. Seems to me that everyone just wants an excuse to moan about BB so turn it off. You are not happy when they are nice/you are not happy when they are nasty. Are you ever happy? And as for letter to the sun S-A-D.

Ps I don't like Cameron, I don't like Scott, I don't like Ray, I don't like Nush, I don't like Lisa, Steph is nice........BUT! I do like BB which is why I watch - its a game show - deal with it.

mummyhazel

09-07-2003

er - calm down love, I was just writing a Sun-style letter. You'll do yourself a mischief getting all upset like that...

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“Originally posted by Nathalie
OH GET OVER YOURSELVES. lisa is annoying they are pissed off with her - you all complained there was no excitement and they were living like the Waltons and now they are bitching you are not happy either. Don't watch it then. Seems to me that everyone just wants an excuse to moan about BB so turn it off. You are not happy when they are nice/you are not happy when they are nasty. Are you ever happy? And as for letter to the sun S-A-D.

Ps I don't like Cameron, I don't like Scott, I don't like Ray, I don't like Nush, I don't like Lisa, Steph is nice........BUT! I do like BB which is why I watch - its a game show - deal with it. ”

Nathalie

09-07-2003

Oh ok...I am just soooo sick of hearing about Cameron the evil one just because he beat Jon. I don't like Cameron either and I liked Jon but talk about double standards Jon slagged people off, fed slagged people off, but thats ok!!!!

Am calm now

matt.b

09-07-2003

Can we start homing in on Scott now

I hate the fence man

lobeserve

09-07-2003

Oh come on, that's just silly. I don't like Cameron but what the hell has writing to his church got to do with anything?

matt.b

09-07-2003

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“Originally posted by lobeserve
Oh come on, that's just silly. I don't like Cameron but what the hell has writing to his church got to do with anything? ”

WRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

The_Green_Man

09-07-2003

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“Originally posted by Hamlet77
Well why the h**l don't you point out others faults with the same enthusiasm
”

In the same way Tania announced daily that she wouldn't eat, or would only eat porridge, but then proceeded to stuff herself all day (see the PIGWATCH thread) , Cameron professes to live by certain guidelines, preaching even in the diary room about it, and then does the opposite (see the What would Jesus Do? Thread).

Ray and Scott do not set themselves up in this hypocritical way.

dilone

09-07-2003

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“Originally posted by mummyhazel
Or:

The way that Shameron is constantly bitching about someone in the difficult position of entering the Big Brother house after 6 weeks is hardly Christian. It's obvious now that the sanctomonious, God-bothering Orcadian fish-fondler doesn't really fancy brummy Dave-Hill-from-Slade lookalike Steff. So why don't Sun readers vote him off, so we don't have to watch paint drying whilst BB is on for our entertainment. I'm sure Welsh rarebit Lisa will be so grateful for our support that she will get out her lady-bits for Page 3 afterwards. ”

We Christians bitch as much as the next person. If someone is annoying, we don't write it off because of our faith.

Jesus told us to love everyone. That doesn't mean we have to like them.

The_Green_Man

09-07-2003

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“Originally posted by dilone
We Christians bitch as much as the next person. If someone is annoying, we don't write it off because of our faith.

Jesus told us to love everyone. That doesn't mean we have to like them. ”

Does it mean that you can sh*t in their shoes, smash their face to the back of their throat or put your thumb over their windpipe?

Cameron is undoubtably the nastiest piece of work in that house. He speaks violently and crudely. He disgusts me. His faith gives him an excuse to be a bastard as he just repents later.

Would jesus have shit in people's shoes?
Would jesus have smashed peoples faces in?
Would jesus have put his thumb over someone's windpipe?
Would jesus have professed wanting to do all these things even?
Was jesus a bully?

zzenzero

09-07-2003

The point of my letter may have been missed here.
I'm not looking to have it printed/published.
My aim is to alert the dailies that there is a story of corruption here that they MIGHT wish to investigate.
So I needed to put all the facts...and facts they are.
I've in fact sent it to ALL the dailies.reporters@dailyrecord.co.uk
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Trada

09-07-2003

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“Originally posted by zzenzero
All anti-cameron, anti-Endemol,anti-HMs treatment of lisa, I urge you to strike now....the Sun is giving a platform whether we like them or not.My letter here is not too great,written quickly and in so much anger but i'm emailing it now.

Dear SUN,
I note with interest your "save lisa" campaign.What people who don't have E4,Internet feeds or access forums are unaware of is what has "happened" to Cameron.For whatever reasons,Endemol and Channel 4 have chosen to present Cameron in a way that is not true to what he actually does in the house.They edit their highlights show in such a way that the mass general public perceive him to be a reaqlly nice person.The fact that he was "chosen" to go to BBSA[there's enough evidence to show that it wasn't random as suggested if you study the tapes] and therefore excused two weeks nominations is ONE example of the producers BB agenda.But beyond that, there are numerous examples of Cameron's unpleasantness in the house,24/7,never being shown in the highlights etc.Here's the dossier which has been much discussed on BB Forums but never shown to the general public at large:
A] He stated that people like jon should have their faces punched in.[night before jon's eviction]
B] He suggested putting excrement in Jon's shower gel during [same night]
C] He said a similar thing that people like Fed should have THEIR faces punched in.[reward room during restaurant treat]
D]He stated that he could throttle Lisa's windpipe...before apologising later in diary room.
E]He gave Ray the infamous chinese burn.
F] He has nightly led the anti-lisa bitching behind her back.
G]His constant touching/fondling of nush then nominating her is very strange.

These are not the actions of a nice man,yet BB producers continue to portay him in an angelic,christian light.
On the double eviction night,when Cameron was widely expected to be evicted,the BB producers did some hatchet editing on Jon whilst omitting cameron's nastiness the previous night.
Cameron is the most disliked HM in the forums,amongst people who have seen him 24/7,but it does seem that Endemol have marked him down to win this year.
The saying; "Who goes,you decide " seems not so this year because of some very dodgy dealings during the eviction voting procedures.This issue has been raised in previous series,none more so than Bubbles[v Paul] in BB2 and Spencer[v Alex] in BB3.Whatever control Endemol may or may not have in voting outcomes,one thing IS for sure.Their editing THIS series has been so over the top that E4 viwers have been up in arms.Cameron has been the main beneficiary,perhaps the only one,and whilst your support of Lisa this week is to be admired in the circumstances of BB4,a follow-up on the Cameron Facts[all documented on the full E4 feeds] might be an interesting line of enquiry for you.
There's a huge story/expose here on how Endemol has manipulated the public and not very subtly too.
Viewers,contestants,the Press ultimately have little say.Endemol THEY decide who reaches the final 4, who wins.
I'm amazed no national daily has ever picked up on this crookedness.
Late addition to the above having just watched appallingly biased editing of ch4 highlights show:
Well they've surpassed themselves !!
Instead of showing the HMs bitching mercilessly,they show them apologising!!!!
While they show poor lisa in diary room talking of whats been happening to her[reported one might say] we see the HMs running around garden happily and merrily but NOT bitching.The public see this and compare to misery-guts lisa moaning in diary room!! outrageous editing.Then to end we see that nice cameron and steph with lisa NOT being horrible,making public wonder why all the fuss!
I'm sorry but with this sort of bias,your lisa campaign has no chance unless you show how BB are stitching lisa up in their editing.
yours ”

god you spent along time writting a load of rubbish.

why didnt you just say Im a bitter jon fan who is very bitter because cameron is more popular than geekboy and now like lisa because Im a bit sad and need a paper like the sun and this board to make me feel abit better.

get a life its only a game show.

ben4321

09-07-2003

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“Originally posted by Trada
god you spent along time writting a load of rubbish.

why didnt you just say Im a bitter jon fan who is very bitter because cameron is more popular than geekboy and now like lisa because Im a bit sad and need a paper like the sun and this board to make me feel abit better.

get a life its only a game show. ”

A letter to The Sun is a nice idea but it's a futile gesture when that paper is read by people like the poster above.

Winston Smith

09-07-2003

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“Originally posted by mistrey52
Let he that is without sin cast the first stone....... Or take the plank out of your own eye before trying to remove the splinter from someone elses ”

Exactly the point I am trying to make. Mr. stout needs this to be pointed out to him be people he respects who may not be aware he is doing it.

ben4321

09-07-2003

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“Originally posted by Nathalie
Oh ok...I am just soooo sick of hearing about Cameron the evil one just because he beat Jon. I don't like Cameron either and I liked Jon but talk about double standards Jon slagged people off, fed slagged people off, but thats ok!!!!

Am calm now ”

Ever tried not reading threads you don't like?

Jon himself is largely peripheral, if not irrelevant, to the essential issues that zzenzero is trying to get across. Your assessment of the anti-Cameron discussions on this forum is all too simplistic.

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