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Casino Moon
09-07-2003
If you want to reflect on your shortcomings and the religion that inspires and ( supposedly) informs your actions, great . What seems odd is doing it in front of millions of people who hold £70,000 in their hands, £70,000 that is first prize in the game you are playing.
It appears to me that your diary room "confession" was indeed the consequence of deep reflection, a realisation that your recent un-Christian behaviour was witnessed by the people who hold the ultimate power over your success /failure in the Big Brother House. The diary room monologue was extremely savvy public relations damage limitation, and nothing whatsover to do with a man asking searching questions of himself. Such questions can only be posed and answered privately, either alone or with a few close and trusted friends.
What would Jesus do ? He would not dwell on Lisa's very evident shortcomings, but on his own. Then he would apologise to her, no muss no fuss. No grandstanding, no theatrics, no eye rolling, no melodrama -He would be aware that any such apology would possibly and regrettably be witnessed by millions of people. So short, to the point and sincere. Lisa will be leaving soon, so don't miss your chance, Cameron. Whether she accepts your apology with grace is neither here nor there. Lisa's flaws are her own challenge, just as yours are your own.
You wave your bible around often enough. Be a man and really ask what Jesus would do. Then do it. If you really feel remorse, just do it.
Papyrus
09-07-2003
Very Good.
ben4321
09-07-2003
Excellent post, Casino Moon.
Myfanwy
09-07-2003
Actually if you read the Bible Jesus told it as it was, if people were bad he told them so in no uncertain terms, if they were good he did the same. I'm not condoning Cameron's backstabbing in any way, as that is wrong, but I do disagree with the initial posting in this thread.
ben4321
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Myfanwy
Actually if you read the Bible Jesus told it as it was, if people were bad he told them so in no uncertain terms, if they were good he did the same. I'm not condoning Cameron's backstabbing in any way, as that is wrong, but I do disagree with the initial posting in this thread. ”

But Cameron still isn't following Jesus' teachings. If he thought Lisa was so in the wrong, he would surely tell her to her face but he hasn't.
chrissie
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by ben4321
But Cameron still isn't following Jesus' teachings. If he thought Lisa was so in the wrong, he would surely tell her to her face but he hasn't. ”

apart from the fact that he is a bit of a coward
he would not be able to
'pluck the straw from lisa's eye
as he hasnt cast out the huge beam from his own'
Hamlet77
09-07-2003
Can I point something out.

1) An enormous amount of criticism of Cameron is coming from people with access to E4, live streaming etc. They then claim that C4 are editing the highlights programmes to not show Cams vile, disgusting and unchristian actions.

2) The diary room footage is not shown on these E4/live streaming versions.

3) To use an analogy from the church, the diary room is supposed to be some sort of confessional perhaps Cam is using the DR in that manner.

Can some people please please try to consider the position all HMs are in.

They find Rays drunken antics amusing, at least one physical assault and many many abuses of rules.

Lisa is seen as being a great addition, why? she talks about herself and then abuses other HMs not physically, but by the use of phrases like 'I could kill you with 2 fingers' that is blatent verbal intimidation, she gets sympathy because she is being cut off by other HMs. One expample in the pub Nush and Steph left todo something and next we get her bleating "Leave me all alone then" had she not thought of getting off her backside and joining the main house. She starts to get sympathy for avoiding her one and only weekly task, if Cameron had suffered some medical complaint I can hear the large print screeches of forum members as he tried to scupper the house's chances of passing the task, and when, as with happened with Lisa, Cameron was let off the task, some would take it as an obvious sign that BB4 was rigged for Cam to win.

Nush gets 'flirty' and 'physical' with male HMs. If Cameron had done that it would be suggested as being pervy and lecherous.

Some people do seem to see the best of some and worst of others.
Casino Moon
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Hamlet77
Some people do seem to see the best of some and worst of others. ”

Very true, and doubly so in a situation like Big Brother. Nevertheless, it is Cameron asking "what would Jesus do?", not the others. If Cameron really poses this question sincerely, he would do it in private. Then he would apologise. I don't think it's a question that is up for debate. Anyone who takes the issue of Faith seriously, and who brings the Bible into the BB House, knows what Jesus would do.
I still think it was an exercise in damage limitation, to be broadcast on BBLB and C4 highlights, and only Cameron can change my mind, with actions consequent to the original question : What Would Jesus Do ?
KriZ
09-07-2003
What a GREAT POST there Casino Moon !!!

his fans can't and WON'T answer it - I wonder if the man they all spend there money on to keep, will ???
lobeserve
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Casino Moon
Very true, and doubly so in a situation like Big Brother. Nevertheless, it is Cameron asking "what would Jesus do?", not the others. If Cameron really poses this question sincerely, he would do it in private. Then he would apologise. I don't think it's a question that is up for debate. Anyone who takes the issue of Faith seriously, and who brings the Bible into the BB House, knows what Jesus would do.
I still think it was an exercise in damage limitation, to be broadcast on BBLB and C4 highlights, and only Cameron can change my mind, with actions consequent to the original question : What Would Jesus Do ?
”

Is Cameron a modern day Jesus? just a thought
mummyhazel
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by lobeserve
Is Cameron a modern day Jesus? just a thought ”

Nah - Jesus was better at growing a beard.
lobeserve
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by mummyhazel
Nah - Jesus was better at growing a beard. ”

perhaps Cameron will walk across the swimming pool?
mummyhazel
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by lobeserve
perhaps Cameron will walk across the swimming pool? ”

More likely Ray would wa*k across it.
cathy99
09-07-2003
Very well put Casino Moon. Hope Cameron takes your advice.
Hamlet77
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Casino Moon
Very true, and doubly so in a situation like Big Brother. Nevertheless, it is Cameron asking "what would Jesus do?", not the others. If Cameron really poses this question sincerely, he would do it in private. Then he would apologise. I don't think it's a question that is up for debate. Anyone who takes the issue of Faith seriously, and who brings the Bible into the BB House, knows what Jesus would do.
I still think it was an exercise in damage limitation, to be broadcast on BBLB and C4 highlights, and only Cameron can change my mind, with actions consequent to the original question : What Would Jesus Do ?
”

Perhaps Cameron was under the impression that this particular chat was confidential and how else is someone in his position to mull over personal strife.

I am afraid faith is a very difficult thing reading the bible is not a using a step by step guide to life manual, under normal times he would discuss his problems with someone else probably his preacher, but that option is not available.

I am not a religious man, but I have learnt on thing faith can sometimes create more problems for believers than it solves, but trust in religion can help people cope.

Probably one of the hardest questions in life is What Would Jesus Do?
Casino Moon
09-07-2003
another thought :
if Cameron is going to apologise to Lisa, it must be before the eviction result is announced. After the announcement the whole scenario changes and Cameron would have nothing to lose by apologising and everything to gain i.e fantastic PR. None of them can be completely sure that Lisa is going to be evicted, therefore any apology to Lisa NOW would demonstrate genuine sincerity and courage, because it would put Cameron at odds with the level of anti-Lisa feeling in the house. Should he apologise and then Lisa survives, Cameron will have drawn a line in the sand that will have the remaining HM's in a conundrum i.e follow suit and look like insincere sheep , or gang up on him for rocking the boat. Rock the boat Cameron, do what Jesus would do and damn the consequences...
lorry
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Casino Moon
Very true, and doubly so in a situation like Big Brother. Nevertheless, it is Cameron asking "what would Jesus do?", not the others. If Cameron really poses this question sincerely, he would do it in private. Then he would apologise. I don't think it's a question that is up for debate. Anyone who takes the issue of Faith seriously, and who brings the Bible into the BB House, knows what Jesus would do.
I still think it was an exercise in damage limitation, to be broadcast on BBLB and C4 highlights, and only Cameron can change my mind, with actions consequent to the original question : What Would Jesus Do ?
”

How do we know that he isn't asking himself the question in private? Just because he has verbalised it to BB in the diary room doesn't mean that he isn't wrestling with his conscience in private too. I hope he is strong enough to start suppressing his urges to bitch about Lisa, and it would certainly be a popular move if he were to try and make amends with her to her face. However, she doesn't know he's done it, so to bring it up might actually hurt her more.

As for damage limitation, he doesn't know (at least that's what I believe until proved otherwise) that his DR confessions are being broadcast by BBLB and in the C4 highlights, so how can you accuse him of deliberate manipulation there?

I know some of you will think I'm being naive, but I think his intentions have been wildly exaggerated and everyone deserves to be given the benefit of the doubt.
Casino Moon
09-07-2003
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“Originally posted by lorry
[b]As for damage limitation, he doesn't know (at least that's what I believe until proved otherwise) that his DR confessions are being broadcast by BBLB and in the C4 highlights, so how can you accuse him of deliberate manipulation there?/B]”

Cameron , I presume, has watched Big Brother before. He knows there is a better than even chance of his diary room confessionals being broadcast. If he wanted to keep his WWJD ? introspections private, he would not have aired them in the diary room.
bigmadmental
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Casino Moon
another thought :
if Cameron is going to apologise to Lisa, it must be before the eviction result is announced. After the announcement the whole scenario changes and Cameron would have nothing to lose by apologising and everything to gain i.e fantastic PR. None of them can be completely sure that Lisa is going to be evicted, therefore any apology to Lisa NOW would demonstrate genuine sincerity and courage, because it would put Cameron at odds with the level of anti-Lisa feeling in the house. Should he apologise and then Lisa survives, Cameron will have drawn a line in the sand that will have the remaining HM's in a conundrum i.e follow suit and look like insincere sheep , or gang up on him for rocking the boat. Rock the boat Cameron, do what Jesus would do and damn the consequences...
”

Dear Casino Moon it is only a game show and it may be hard to believe but nearly all, if not all, Christians are hypocrites. I think addressing an open letter to someone playing a game for 70,000 that you don't even know personally, says more about your character than his. I would be worried if I was you, I think you need to stop watching BB and get back into reality, plus it is really boring now they are getting rid of the mad welsh pitbull. Boom Boom.

B.t.w I’m also having a go at myself Casino and no I'm not that found of ANY of the house mates.
Casino Moon
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by bigmadmental
Dear Casino Moon it is only a game show and it may be hard to believe but nearly all, if not all, Christians are hypocrites. I think addressing an open letter to someone playing a game for 70,000 that you don't even know personally, says more about your character than his. I would be worried if I was you, I think you need to stop watching BB and get back into reality, plus it is really boring now they are getting rid of the mad welsh pitbull. Boom Boom.

B.t.w I’m also having a go at myself Casino and no I'm not that found of ANY of the house mates.
”

Yes, that's the point BMM, Cameron is indeed playing for 70k, as you point out. In fact we are all playing a part in this game, and an open letter to Cameron is just another form of posting, not really an open letter at all, because he has no access to it. Not sure what it says about my character, other than I wanted to make a post slightly different in format. As for being worried about myself and getting back to reality, you are so right. Absolutely 100% on the money with that one.......
bigmadmental
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Casino Moon
Yes, that's the point BMM, Cameron is indeed playing for 70k, as you point out. In fact we are all playing a part in this game, and an open letter to Cameron is just another form of posting, not really an open letter at all, because he has no access to it. Not sure what it says about my character, other than I wanted to make a post slightly different in format. As for being worried about myself and getting back to reality, you are so right. Absolutely 100% on the money with that one....... ”


Well I'm thinking of rehab, lol, after three weeks of course. Any chance you can write me an open letter if I become worse? Maybe Cameron can share the £70,000 to help the both of us
Nathalie
09-07-2003
"it may be hard to believe but nearly all, if not all, Christians are hypocrites"

Can I just say that all Christians are NOT hypocrites. I am a Christian although I do not believe in assigning myself to a specific Church as that is saying I am right and others are wrong. I try as best I can to follow my beliefs on a daily basis but I fail as I am human. However I recognise those failings and I try to improve how I should be....but I fail again. To err is to be human and that is what we are. I have found myself on many occasions disliking someone because of what they are or how they behave, just as Cameron has done. By being a Christian it doesn't unfortunetely grant you with a power to love all and to tolerate all, you have to work on that, which is why being a Christian is not easy at times. When non Christians (or indeed any religious group ) dislike someone they are allowed to be vocal about it (ref the awful threads on here regarding Justine/Tania etc etc) but if a Christian says anything then they are hypocrites................so..........non Christians can have a free for all and be nasty to anyone they like.................Christians on the other hand are to be gentle, meek, unopinionated, loving types.......................does not work like that.

Cameron is wrong the way he is behaving to Lisa........but who are we to judge? I do the same thing everyday of life and so do you all I don't doubt? He who is without sin cast the first stone..........see if any of you can truely, honestly throw that stone?
Papyrus
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by lobeserve
Is Cameron a modern day Jesus? just a thought...

...perhaps Cameron will walk across the swimming pool?
”

The best way to interject into the debate... LOL!
Papyrus
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Nathalie
"it may be hard to believe but nearly all, if not all, Christians are hypocrites"

Can I just say that all Christians are NOT hypocrites. I am a Christian although I do not believe in assigning myself to a specific Church as that is saying I am right and others are wrong. I try as best I can to follow my beliefs on a daily basis but I fail as I am human. However I recognise those failings and I try to improve how I should be....but I fail again. To err is to be human and that is what we are. I have found myself on many occasions disliking someone because of what they are or how they behave, just as Cameron has done. By being a Christian it doesn't unfortunetely grant you with a power to love all and to tolerate all, you have to work on that, which is why being a Christian is not easy at times. When non Christians (or indeed any religious group ) dislike someone they are allowed to be vocal about it (ref the awful threads on here regarding Justine/Tania etc etc) but if a Christian says anything then they are hypocrites................so..........non Christians can have a free for all and be nasty to anyone they like.................Christians on the other hand are to be gentle, meek, unopinionated, loving types.......................does not work like that.

Cameron is wrong the way he is behaving to Lisa........but who are we to judge? I do the same thing everyday of life and so do you all I don't doubt? He who is without sin cast the first stone..........see if any of you can truely, honestly throw that stone?
”

I don't sin. Because sinning has fundamentals in perception ...and I'm not even going there!

I'm not saying I never have but rarely, if ever, in donkeys years. I would not even swat a fly etc etc... I have zero 'practised' religious beliefs but am not an Atheist and of course follow the 10 commandments religiously ...pun intended. That statement wasn't in the least paradoxical!

But Nathalie, what you write has a good foundation as a truth! I could clearly see exactly where you were coming from.



And no, I am not perfect, that'd be too bland and boring. Thinking on it, maybe it would be perfect...
Casino Moon
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Nathalie
Cameron is wrong the way he is behaving to Lisa........but who are we to judge? ”

We are the ones who decide the winner , by voting, that's who we are to judge. The judges of a 70k game show, and Cameron has put himself up to be judged by the nation, in pursuit of that £70,000. Neither he nor his fans can start crying about that now ( I know you are not doing that Nathalie), he did not shrink from the spotlight, none of them did.
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