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Save Lisa & Save BB4. The Sun's Passionate Plea.
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EddyBee
09-07-2003
From today's Sun, Dominic Mohan writes ''.......The Psycho Geezerbird from South Wales has finally made the other housemates stir from their Series Four slumber. But yesterday she was made favourite to be booted out of the show — after being nominated alongside dullard Cameron and irritant Steph.

The chances she will escape eviction appear to be, well, nush. But I urge you NOT to evict her. True, you’d chew off your own arm to get away from a trout like Lisa. But she has brought spark, controversy and bitching to the show. She is the only one with — how else can I put it — b*lls.

If Lisa goes, her housemates will fall back into their zombie state and the house will once again be humdrum. Her arrival has livened up the dullest Big Brother so far. Desperate producers have tried in vain to spice up the series with booze, secret rooms, extra food and even a Ugandan. But it took the Welsh dragon to breathe some fire into the tedium.

If she goes, the bores will have triumphed......In the few days she’s been in there, she’s caused arguments, tension and tears. That’s why we watch Big Brother.

You cannot vote Lisa out and then complain the show is boring. So, let’s not make the same mistakes we’ve made before by voting out the most interesting characters first — I give you Anouska, Federico and Mr Tickle....''
EddyBee
09-07-2003
The Full Sun Article Can Be Found Here !!!
Papyrus
09-07-2003
I'm a detractor of Dominic but for this cause he could be more than influential:- I pledge and add support to 'save Lisa'...
Foureyes
09-07-2003
[COLOR=firebrick]I would dearly love to save Lisa too, but I fear this is too little too late, and we will be condemned to two more weeks of the happy holidaymakers.

Mind you, having said that, the bitching energy won't dissipate so quickly, and we could be seeing a weak member of the group (Nush possibly; Steph more likely) picked off by the others to become the scapegoat.[/COLOR]
Mesostim
09-07-2003
Saving Lisa would be hilarious...alas on this years form I can only imagine the herd want to keep the safe boring characters who haven't given the bandwagon a bumpy ride.....
studley
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Eejay
From today's Sun, Dominic Mohan writes ''.......
<huge snip>

You cannot vote Lisa out and then complain the show is boring. So, let’s not make the same mistakes we’ve made before by voting out the most interesting characters first — I give you Anouska, Federico and Mr Tickle....''
”

Common sense from The Sun?

Can't be right surely?
EddyBee
09-07-2003
Throughout this series the central core of bores (Scott, Steph, Ray, Cameron, Nush, Gos) have been picking on those HMs that they feel are taking the camera's alttention away from them. Getting Lisa out is a continuation of this policy.
bar
09-07-2003
Controversy is good, but she is so damn annoying she makes you want to turn off!
dfwmya
09-07-2003
She is annoying but for the sake of BB we need to keep her in for another week.

Remember how dull it was before she arrived?

Cameron and Steph will have an added smugness and there will be no one for them to bitch about.

If Lisa goes then it'll be the end of BB4 for me. At least the American series looks as if it could be interesting. Maybe the BBUSA producers could sort out BB5 for us as the Endemol UK have seriously f**ked things up this year.
Schnauzer Bites
09-07-2003
They seem to have failed to notice that she has given up. Yes she did stir things up and it was required, but most of the time she now sits on her own smoking herself to death.

As Ray so nicely asked, please vote Lisa out for her own sake, she is totally isolated, that won't change and keeping her in would be an act of mental cruelty.
spearish
09-07-2003
Page after page .....thread after thread .......all about .....
Cameron .
If Lisa stays and Cameron goes what on earth will you all find to post about
Rawham
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Schnauzer Bites
They seem to have failed to notice that she has given up. Yes she did stir things up and it was required, but most of the time she now sits on her own smoking herself to death.

As Ray so nicely asked, please vote Lisa out for her own sake, she is totally isolated, that won't change and keeping her in would be an act of mental cruelty.
”

I agree - what is so compelling about watching someone sat on their own all day feeling bad about being excluded .

I don't like her but I feel sorry for her - let her go. She obviously thinks a lot of herself - she is going to be devastated by what a laughing stock she is.
Trada
09-07-2003
well we can say the witch will be out this week then anyone the paper wants to stay or win always goes.

like you lot on here will make any difference to cameron going.
well about as much difference you made on here keeping geekboy jon in.
richbstrd
09-07-2003
Great post Trada!
Minisidewalk
09-07-2003
The sun of course has an extremely poor record in it's backing of BB housemates so do they actually have a different agenda in their support for Lisa.

The reason they like backing loser's is they will be the only paper supporting the Evicted housemate and therefore are much more likely to stike an exclusive deal with the evictee.
markus_howe
09-07-2003
The Sun is a piece of trash

No doubt, and all the "journo`s" are pompous ingrates with a taste for dumbing down the working class scum who ingest the dire bog roll writing.

long live the daily sport - true integrity.

amen
theaman
09-07-2003
Dominic Mohan's article reflected a lot of posts on DS:BB, but although we would agree with what he says, it depends on how other people look at it.

Judging by the RI:SE poll, and online polls, it looks as if The Sun's campaign isn't going to save Lisa from being evicted.
bigmadmental
09-07-2003
So I guess Big Brother isn't dumbing down the working classes, no hold on I did hear Steph and Cameron chat about apples. Oh and the one where Lisa said "George Orwell invented Big Brother" was so insightful.

As the Viz once wrote in their TV review "News night special - Is there a dumbing down of TV?- hosted by Dale Winton and Irene out of Drive School."


Quote:
“Originally posted by markus_howe
The Sun is a piece of trash

No doubt, and all the "journo`s" are pompous ingrates with a taste for dumbing down the working class scum who ingest the dire bog roll writing.

long live the daily sport - true integrity.

amen
”

markus_howe
09-07-2003
To address bigbadmental

Big brother is an experimental show which has Orwellian origins, the tactile viewer can find the smallest iconic genstures construe the largest truths.

Dumbing down is a byproduct of our current media - whore generation, the bible has been replaced with the TV guide and the resultant is dead-eyed call center workers, who seem to be everywhere.

I`m sure the percentage of people who post to this board fall in to the above category - I myself am an exception.

Amen.
bigmadmental
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by markus_howe
To address bigbadmental

Big brother is an experimental show which has Orwellian origins, the tactile viewer can find the smallest iconic genstures construe the largest truths.

Dumbing down is a byproduct of our current media - whore generation, the bible has been replaced with the TV guide and the resultant is dead-eyed call center workers, who seem to be everywhere.

I`m sure the percentage of people who post to this board fall in to the above category - I myself am an exception.

Amen.
”

A few points I would like to make to that.

Big brother is not even close to having "Orwellian origins" apart from the name. The hm's are allowed freedom of thought and action...up until a certain point. Its more like a standard prison/holiday camp rather than the "thought police" idea of 1984.

When has the media ever been intelligent? Give me references when this dumbing down began, its always been this constant just the Monarchy and the Upper classes are being replaced by celebs, some who are working class. This is the only change, I don’t think the masses have ever been treated anything other than contempt. Look at the current lies about the war in Iraq.

The bible is one of tools used by organised religion to dumb the masses. You only have to look at Darwin's theory of Natural Selection. The church hounded that man for daring to question anything other than the bible. Also look at the Catholic churches insistence that contraception is immoral, even though the spread of HIV is rife through out the lands where it has a large influence. I could go on but is lunch time.

Lastly there has always been a massive, disillusioned work force, who grind themselves into the ground for the profit of a small minority. Its just that the mines have been replaced by the call centres.

Anyhoo, that big mac and fries is calling and my Daily Sport.
mistral
09-07-2003
I think that lisa is as boring as all the other house mates now, as she has keeps threatening to let them know how she feels but never actually does anything of the sort and she just sits about on the settee or takes herself off to bed. If she is such good television how comes i always want to turn channels whenever she is on the screen . If she would only stop going on about how good looking she is and how much she is liked by cardiff and how she is the best at everything and she seems to have experienced everything there is to experience maybe I would be able to bear her on my screen.

I do have an opinion about why they are all so boring they all know what not to do and what is not exceptable from previous programmes and unfortunately that is boring tv maybe the press are to judgemental of the likes of Jade and Helen and no-one wants to inflict that on themselves do they.
markus_howe
09-07-2003
B]To address bigbad mental yet again[/b]

You make a few valid, if contrived points.

See below as I address your errors;


A few points I would like to make to that.

Big brother is not even close to having "Orwellian origins" apart from the name

Have you actually read 1984

. The hm's are allowed freedom of thought and action...up until a certain point.

All their thought is self-contained and their speech is muted (to the outside world) if offensive, Their actions are also controlled , violence would mean eviction

Its more like a standard prison/holiday camp rather than the "thought police" idea of 1984.

Can`t argue that one

When has the media ever been intelligent?

Check out newnight

Give me references when this dumbing down began,

B]Ehh let me see ......... When did THE SUN start printing[/b]

its always been this constant just the Monarchy and the Upper classes are being replaced by celebs, some who are working class. This is the only change, I don’t think the masses have ever been treated anything other than contempt. Look at the current lies about the war in Iraq.

B]Lies what Lies you could pactically watch the "event" live on CNN - it`s all live.[/b]

The bible is one of tools used by organised religion to dumb the masses.

The bible does not control people - People control people.

You only have to look at Darwin's theory of Natural Selection.

I`m looking??

The church hounded that man for daring to question anything other than the bible.

Not true total fabrication

Also look at the Catholic churches insistence that contraception is immoral, even though the spread of HIV is rife through out the lands where it has a large influence. I could go on but is lunch time.

Lastly there has always been a massive, disillusioned work force, who grind themselves into the ground for the profit of a small minority.

Its just that the mines have been replaced by the call centres.

that`s kinda missing a few years right there

Anyhoo, that big mac and fries is calling and my Daily Sport.

Enjoy your reading , i`ll just start another chapter of Kafka.........


Amen
bigmadmental
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by markus_howe
B]To address bigbad mental yet again

You make a few valid, if contrived points.

See below as I address your errors;


A few points I would like to make to that.

Big brother is not even close to having "Orwellian origins" apart from the name

Have you actually read 1984

. The hm's are allowed freedom of thought and action...up until a certain point.

All their thought is self-contained and their speech is muted (to the outside world) if offensive, Their actions are also controlled , violence would mean eviction

Its more like a standard prison/holiday camp rather than the "thought police" idea of 1984.

Can`t argue that one

When has the media ever been intelligent?

Check out newnight

Give me references when this dumbing down began,

B]Ehh let me see ......... When did THE SUN start printing[/b]

its always been this constant just the Monarchy and the Upper classes are being replaced by celebs, some who are working class. This is the only change, I don’t think the masses have ever been treated anything other than contempt. Look at the current lies about the war in Iraq.

B]Lies what Lies you could pactically watch the "event" live on CNN - it`s all live.[/b]

The bible is one of tools used by organised religion to dumb the masses.

The bible does not control people - People control people.

You only have to look at Darwin's theory of Natural Selection.

I`m looking??

The church hounded that man for daring to question anything other than the bible.

Not true total fabrication

Also look at the Catholic churches insistence that contraception is immoral, even though the spread of HIV is rife through out the lands where it has a large influence. I could go on but is lunch time.

Lastly there has always been a massive, disillusioned work force, who grind themselves into the ground for the profit of a small minority.

Its just that the mines have been replaced by the call centres.

that`s kinda missing a few years right there

Anyhoo, that big mac and fries is calling and my Daily Sport.

Enjoy your reading , i`ll just start another chapter of Kafka.........


Amen [/b]”


For someone who considers themselves an intellectual you are very misguided and a bit of an intellectual snob. At least the Sun doesn't pretend to be something its not. Can you say that about yourself? Kafka? Wow I am impressed, I'm suprised you have time to watch BB and write away on these message boards, which of course aren't dumbing down the masses and distracting them from how terrible their call centre jobs are.

Of course the CNN never lies, that is why we never saw what actually happens when a "friendly missile" hits a civilian area. I guess when John Simpson complained about the censorship by the army he was just having a laugh. Anyhoo a wee bit too heavy a subject to debate on a BB forum. I'm sure the BBC doesn't have any form of censorship as well, CH4 of course aren't guitlay of editing BB to get a story out of nothing. Maybe you should read Noam Comsky about how the media manipulates the public into war.

Anyhoo, I'm off to finish the Daily Sport, it treats me as an equal.
ajaf
09-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Eejay
From today's Sun, Dominic Mohan writes ''.......The Psycho Geezerbird from South Wales has finally made the other housemates stir from their Series Four slumber. But yesterday she was made favourite to be booted out of the show — after being nominated alongside dullard Cameron and irritant Steph.

The chances she will escape eviction appear to be, well, nush. But I urge you NOT to evict her. True, you’d chew off your own arm to get away from a trout like Lisa. But she has brought spark, controversy and bitching to the show. She is the only one with — how else can I put it — b*lls.

If Lisa goes, her housemates will fall back into their zombie state and the house will once again be humdrum. Her arrival has livened up the dullest Big Brother so far. Desperate producers have tried in vain to spice up the series with booze, secret rooms, extra food and even a Ugandan. But it took the Welsh dragon to breathe some fire into the tedium.

If she goes, the bores will have triumphed......In the few days she’s been in there, she’s caused arguments, tension and tears. That’s why we watch Big Brother.

You cannot vote Lisa out and then complain the show is boring. So, let’s not make the same mistakes we’ve made before by voting out the most interesting characters first — I give you Anouska, Federico and Mr Tickle....''
”



You say Lisa has balls, well where are they??
she is very good at spouting what she is going to do in the diary room, and that she is going to say things and wont sit back any more but when she comes out the diary room she is dumb, where is all the rows she promised us, she only says it in there knowing we see it and keep her in waiting for it to happen
I say again where are her balls ??
Fight Fan
09-07-2003
This is something the BB producers are gonna have to sort out next year, the viewers are ruining the show
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