Im sorry but since when is giving someone a chinese burn justified during an argument between two adults?

If someone did that to me I'd floor them..

Anyone here ever given someone else a chinese burn during an argument since they left school?

And Ray was asking the same question over and over because Cam refused to give him a straight answer...

Cameron is very quick to criticise people behind their backs, but is terrified to deal with issues in an adult manner, by talking about them openly.

He obviously has poroblems with anger which, because he can't be honest about them to the person concerned, he sublimates as illustrated by repeated use of 'jokey' threats.

For instance, after Jon's remarks to Ray ( Jon acting the 'gentleman' as far as i can see), rather than discuss anything openly he constantly makes threats (again disguised as 'jokes') about pushing his teeth into his his face, shitting in his shoes etc etc.

This man is seriously emotionally immature, even to the extent of being unable to be upfront about his feelings towards the women in the house, he'd rather 'slap them on the bum', or 'play with their hair' than articulate any attraction.

The only time he feels safe enough to show any of his true feelings are when he is in a conspiratorial, 'bitching session' with people that he already feels share his attitude to some extent and note that he clams up when the object of his antipathy arrives, or even when he feels that someone may not being 'totally on his side', to whit Ray's conversation with Lisa.

This is why I don't particualrly like Cameron.. I don't hate him though!

I am surprised at the overt positivity within this thread...

I always take what I am being delivered by a TV company with varied degrees of circumspection.

Of course, BB doesn't mind too much is someone does become a bit of a hate figure ...although they will assist an individual in helping quash such hate rumours eventually.

That is no to say that I totally disagree with some of the points Kriz or ben4321 have to state... It just depends how far you take them really.

Unless of course someone is universally evil and I don't think that has happened hitherto, it's hard to universally enunciate with too much clarity. It really appears to be 'different strokes for different folks'.

The nearest I got to despising a HM was Jade. I saw no uniqueness in Jade at all and there were many Jade's when I grew up on my council estate. I couldn't understand the novelty factor with Jade and her incessant stupidity; 'Jade-isms' - come on ...that would frustrate me to tears. Especially as she had a large ego but without any deserved right! She really had an undeveloped ego and it was dominated by a different part of her personality.

I never hated her though and the worst I would have stated about her would be ...er, I dunno. I couldn't think of anything that harsh.

To finish, I would like to add that there is a fundamental psychological understanding that links 'chinese whispers' to 'moral panic'...!!! Ahem... the press!

Both are often misaligned and misappropriated psychological precepts!!!

Take that as you will.

Well said Ben can't put it better myself. I would like to add that I am sick of the Jon fans are Cam haters bandwagon. To be brutally honest I don't only dislike Cam but also Steph, Ray, Nush and Scott because of their lets gang up on the weakest link attitude towards others. First it was Jon then when that scapegoat had gone it was Tanya and now Lisa. Cameron is the ringleader of all this and that is why he comes in with the most negitive critisism.

was that him???????????
better dont tell Tony he is looking for a scapegoat

Oh just though of another reason why I can't stand Cameron...

7.Suggested to Steph that Ray might not nominate him because he didn't get into the reward room. I'm sure Nush was thinking the same thing when Cameron CHOSE to leave her out of the room, because those tears he cried were oh so genuine. It's just a shame Cameron didn't choose to think that way when he nominated Nush the following Monday.

You really should have stopped watching a week or so ago...

Hmm, still bewildered that someone actually likes him

Yes indeed, I dislike them all now. Lisa because of her negative personality (though she is amusing). Cameron, Steph, Nush, Scott, Ray and Gos (remember his "don't let the outsider win" comment as he was packing?) because they are essentially bullies in a very subtle, insidious way.

That's all part of the game if that's the way you want to play it. Credit to him for sticking his neck out. Snidey, but part of his masterplan and he has every right to play that one...

I'm outta here as I'm not pitching to bitch...

AArgh, I didn't mean to cause such a barney!

Let me try and rectify some things...

1) Cam going to Africa was so not a fix. All the housemates were told to get up and hear the announcement. They then decided to go back to bed. They did this knowing that they had one hour in which they could choose to go to the Diary Room. Footage clearly showed housemates sat in bed saying, 'I'm not going'. No one made them go back to bed and no one else rushed up to get to the Diary Room. Cam didn't run to the Diary Room, he skipped along but no-one else got up, not even once he'd made it there.

I take such an issue over it because if you don't like Cameron come up with better things than 'Channe 4 are fixing it for him to win'. If they are, they're obvously not doing a very good job because not many of you want him to!

I don't think Cam is perfect but I don't think it's right to criticise him for things which are human nature. That's where the 'killing someone' thing comes in. He did not hold Lisa by the windpipe or even say to other housemates 'I want to kill her' but he said, in confidence to Big Brother, the only place housemates can let off steam, that he 'felt like putting his fingerson her windpipe'. I take serious issue with anyone here who say they have never said to a freind after a hard day that they felt like shutting someone up. You don't want them to die but they have just irritated you, but rather than make them feel like s*** you let off the steam somewhere else.

I do honestly think Jon fans hate Cam for staying, but I don't think Cam stayed just because of voting ahbits. I wanted Cam to stay so voted for Jon because I was sure Fed wld go anyway. I did think Jon was entertaining for a while, but after getting home from Uni in that week I started watching E4, and Jon was continually picking on little things. He was entertaining and odddly likeable in half-hour slots but 24/7 just an annoying pain. Cam, whilst quiet, didn't and doesn't appear to be quiet in a Scott-like way just to avoid nomination, it's his way of stopping himself being nasty.

I like cam because he is how I tink people should behave in real life. He (at least before Lisa) let off his steam in the Diary Room and left it there. By the same token, other housemates don't seem to have any opinions on the other housemates in the house or Diary Room, because they don't want to be seen as overly critcical to the public eye. Cam doesn't care what the public sees, he cares for the house and its harmony.

And on the whole Jon/hypocrisy thing - I'll say it again, its hard to see faults with your favourite housemate. But I don't think Jon is as innocent as people would like him to be - Jon made a lot of demeaning comments about women and continues to do so out of the house with fed. I know ray is VERY sexually charged but I don't think he was going to systematically rape the females. And don't use Steph 'I'm not a sexual person' as example of the consequenes of ray's behaviour, she doesn't seem to have any sense of humour at all.

Rant over!

I think there are very few people who, if put in the same situation and watched 24/7, would not display the same behaviour as this group are at the moment. As a poster in the other "Cameron" thread running at the moment says - "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Instead of asking why we hate Cameron, can we please find out what his fans like about him???????????!!!!!

I am dying to find out why he has so many fans, as he makes me physically sick with his snide comments, and his evil smile!

the 2-faced hypocrite

are people mad? are they blind? and please tell me what is so fanciful about him??????????

I do not believe that Jon is at all "innocent" or deny that he has his faults. In fact I consider that it's Jon's flaws that make him endearing. He tends to think of other people in terms of logic puzzles, concepts and methodologies which accounts for his sometimes bullish communication skills. Jon may have made some sexist remarks but wouldn't contemplate stooping so low as to invade someone's bedroom in the middle of the night just to get a cheap laugh. Jon's saving graces and greatest qualities are that he has a good heart, a fertile mind and a willingness to see the best in others and to help others (always contributing enthusiastically with the tasks for example and praising Cameron during his eviction interview).

Jon has a good mix of both positive and negative aspects to his personality. He is a rounded, three-dimensional human being. In contrast, Cameron is a dull, pious, emotionally repressed moral pygmy.

There is a WORLD of difference between questioning positive sexual discrimination and equal pay, and creeping into a womans room at night to frighten her....

Disagree. Claire arrived in the BB1 house at the same time as Lisa did in BB4. At no time did Craig, Anna, Mel, Darren and Tom gather together at night to bitch about someone "invading their territory" - possibly because that group of housemates were a lot more emotionally mature.

I wouldn't say that I hate Cameron but I would say that if they were all up for eviction I would probably vote for either him or Lisa. I watch E4 far too often to admit and think of all the housemates Cameron is the one who is acting more than the others. He is more judgemental than the others and looks down on them just because he doesn't approve of what they say or do. He said that he has watched all the other BBs and loved them so should have been aware of what the housemates do in there. I also think he uses his christianity and bible reading too conveniently... when he is up for nomination, my family are christians so I don't have anything against the faith as some people on these boards seem to. I don't think anyone can hate someone that they have never met or who has done them no harm unless of course they are mass murderers or people like Osama Bin Laden (even then some people love them). There's nothing wrong with not sharing the same views as others though.

I actually think that Cameron is quite a complex and intresting Character, It has neen intresting to note his diffrent personalities. I think he is a naturally flirty bloke and his appearance has improved within the house

I have one thing to especially thank Cameron and the remaining HMs for... We have been debating the same issues on here for sometime today... And most don't even revolve around singular, boring issues.

We've been busy today. I haven't had a spare minute. Putting the world and all that to rights, as usual.

Loving your work guys!

I said "in this situation". I don't recall Claire being as boastful, self-obsessed or pushy as Lisa has been. But I do agree with you about the BB1 housemates being more mature as were the BB2 lot. If you think about the way Sophie was treated in BB3 that point may well be valid.

QUOTE "Im sorry but since when is giving someone a chinese burn justified during an argument between two adults?

If someone did that to me I'd floor them..

Anyone here ever given someone else a chinese burn during an argument since they left school?"

I thought there was a comment about Ray earlier giving Nush a chinese burn and a response was made about Cameron giving him the burn for Nush. I may be wrong about that but some horseplay [which is how this seemed] is often physical even with adults. I don't think it was that malicious more playful in order to get Ray to be quiet for a moment. Like you might give a playful dig or pat on the head. Ray didn't seem to bothered. The other day he and Scott were pushing food in a aggressive way into Nush's mouth if someone was down on these two comments might be made but the 'bullies' on here say Cameron as different and this is where the unpleasantness has started.

There have been tons of bitching where Cameron hasn't been there but he is seen as the main culprit. I think Cameron can be critical something he recognises in himself. But I think the situation they are in encourages this and the fact that his confidence has been boosted by the Africa trip has led to him being over the top in some situations. He is no worse than most of us but a few incidents have been magnified by people who have problems with christianity/christians. Christians can have major flaws but are human and don't claim to be perfect rather the opposite in fact but he is different to the norm and is seen as wimpy for that [not swearing, struggling with people being drunk, discussing masturbation etc].
We all can be hypocritical sometimes but I don't think Cameron should be villified because he isn't perfect - maybe some on the forum should take the planks out of their own eyes !!??] .

Sorry for the long waffle but feel people have chosen him as their hate target and everything he does is 'bitched' about - suggesting they would be even bitchier [in the house] than they think he is judging by their comments and constant attacks.
HE IS NO PERVERT, NO EVIL VILLAIN, AND NO MURDERER DESPITE WHAT SOME SAY !!!!

There was something special about the way he walked across the lounge from the DR to give Nush a hug after he'd decided to leave her out of the fancy meal reward.

I think he had his buttocks clenched together.

You can tell a lot from how someone walks.

Oh, Claire was very pushy - always trying to maneouvre herself onto centre stage. Remember the "Sergeant Major" when she led the others in a march around the house? But even then the others seemed to understand what she might be going through whereas Scott at least was pretty hostile towards Lisa right from the start.

I have to admit that as soon as cam walked through the door the first night I was immediately attracted to him. He reminded me of my fave Scottish actor Ian Charleson (chariots of Fire) whom I admired and had met and who was a perfect gentleman. Cam's persona came across the exact same way and I loved him. During the first week I also started to like Jon and they were both my favourite HMs and if anything Cam being like my hero gave him the edge over Jon, but then cracks appeared in Cams personality that I didn't like and he has gotten worse as the weeks have gone on. I am not the shallow type of person that it go on looks alone. Now and again there is certain moments with cam that reminds me why I liked him so much, but unfortunately they are far overshadowed by what I don't like about him.