I'm sure its been mentioned before and I'm not even sure if this is the right place (though it IS about music!), but listening accidently yesterday to the local commercial chart show and they played The Feelings new one, stating that it was straight in at (no. 40 I think) on airplay alone! What IS the point of a chart show based on how often someone on the radio decides to play a record. It means absolutely SOD all. Who listens to it? Who cares? Why am I even wasting time doing a thread? Because it makes me mad! How many copies of a record get sold is all that matters ( and even that is diminishing). WTF?
Chart show based on airplay? WTF
Well this is how it works.
1.Major Record Company signs band.
2.Radio Stations receive cd's etc... of signed band and deejays are told by the suits to play it to death.
3. smash hit (without selling a sausage)
4. £££££££££ for the record companies on future sales, and then they do it again and again and again....
Its been this way for about 15 years or so i think.
1.Major Record Company signs band.
2.Radio Stations receive cd's etc... of signed band and deejays are told by the suits to play it to death.
3. smash hit (without selling a sausage)
4. £££££££££ for the record companies on future sales, and then they do it again and again and again....
Its been this way for about 15 years or so i think.
Originally Posted by gazwah:
“Well this is how it works.
1.Major Record Company signs band.
2.Radio Stations receive cd's etc... of signed band and deejays are told by the suits to play it to death.
3. smash hit (without selling a sausage)
4. £££££££££ for the record companies on future sales, and then they do it again and again and again....
Its been this way for about 15 years or so i think.”
“Well this is how it works.
1.Major Record Company signs band.
2.Radio Stations receive cd's etc... of signed band and deejays are told by the suits to play it to death.
3. smash hit (without selling a sausage)
4. £££££££££ for the record companies on future sales, and then they do it again and again and again....
Its been this way for about 15 years or so i think.”
But its only a hit if people BUY it. It could get played 20 times a day a be no.1 on the "playlist chart", but if noone buys it its NOT a hit. The point I'm trying to make is do the PUBLIC care if it is in the top 40 because a dj has played it a lot? NO!
Originally Posted by TommyGavin76:
“That's why Radio 1 are always bleating on that there's is the official chart.”
“That's why Radio 1 are always bleating on that there's is the official chart.”
And so they should, because it is and the other one is crap!
Radio Playlists determine what bands make the charts anyway, Most of the bands i've always liked have never been in the charts because radio ignores them.
John Peel and John Peel alone is responsible for most of the great music we heard on our radios back in the 70's and 80's.
without him anyone from T-Rex to The Smiths would never have got anywhere.
How many great British bands are in the current top 40? 1? 2? or maybe 3?
Thanks to JP the charts from yesteryear were full of them.
John Peel and John Peel alone is responsible for most of the great music we heard on our radios back in the 70's and 80's.
without him anyone from T-Rex to The Smiths would never have got anywhere.
How many great British bands are in the current top 40? 1? 2? or maybe 3?
Thanks to JP the charts from yesteryear were full of them.
A lot of countries official charts are based on airplay. Some are only single sales. Some are a mixture of both.
local radio is shit end of.....
they refuse to play modern music unless its a love ballad or a cheesy song.
when eminem, basshunter(i know its shit) or a rock band get to number 1, the local charts refuse to mention them, they always say heres the former #1 leona lewis. thats why they came up with there micky mouse version of the charts called the hitlist.
if you have no choice but to listen to heart fm (nottingham) there hitlist top 3 has been
take that-shine
sissor sisters - dancing (whatever its called)
the feeling - crazy
thats been like that for months, at least radio 1 play everything
they refuse to play modern music unless its a love ballad or a cheesy song.
when eminem, basshunter(i know its shit) or a rock band get to number 1, the local charts refuse to mention them, they always say heres the former #1 leona lewis. thats why they came up with there micky mouse version of the charts called the hitlist.
if you have no choice but to listen to heart fm (nottingham) there hitlist top 3 has been
take that-shine
sissor sisters - dancing (whatever its called)
the feeling - crazy
thats been like that for months, at least radio 1 play everything
Ok let's just have a quick lesson here, the hit 40 is the most listened to chart it has been for a while (check rajar figures if you need evidence). Local radio can not play all music this is due to the target audience they aim for - plus they have a performance they have to keep to otherwise ofcom could fine them or revoke their licence .
Although I only give the sales chart any credibility, I don't think hit40uk is completely meaningless. If a song is not yet available to buy but is getting a lot of airplay, it doesn't mean it isn't popular.
Also, most people who listen to the radio will end up not buying even 1 of the singles in the top 40, even though they might like some of them. A song that has 10 million audience impressions could be argued as a bigger hit than a single that has sold 5,000 copies to a loyal fanbase. People who listen to hit40uk aren't interested in the order of the songs anyway.
Also, most people who listen to the radio will end up not buying even 1 of the singles in the top 40, even though they might like some of them. A song that has 10 million audience impressions could be argued as a bigger hit than a single that has sold 5,000 copies to a loyal fanbase. People who listen to hit40uk aren't interested in the order of the songs anyway.
Originally Posted by pgfmedia:
“Local radio can not play all music this is due to the target audience they aim for - plus they have a performance they have to keep to otherwise ofcom could fine them or revoke their licence .”
“Local radio can not play all music this is due to the target audience they aim for - plus they have a performance they have to keep to otherwise ofcom could fine them or revoke their licence .
”
I don't profess to have much knowledge of the music industry but have an avid interest in who is and isn't being played on the radio, which I listen to lots.
I wonder if you would be so kind as to explain the ofcom fine and the revoking the licence bit please?
Originally Posted by Astonvils:
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I don't profess to have much knowledge of the music industry but have an avid interest in who is and isn't being played on the radio, which I listen to lots.
I wonder if you would be so kind as to explain the ofcom fine and the revoking the licence bit please?”
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I don't profess to have much knowledge of the music industry but have an avid interest in who is and isn't being played on the radio, which I listen to lots.
I wonder if you would be so kind as to explain the ofcom fine and the revoking the licence bit please?”
From Ofcom:
2.3 - Licensing copyrighted material for local airplay
1(a) Radio stations must play the most popular songs of the week based on either single sales or airplay count.
1(b) These songs must appeal to the generic chart buying audience and be available to download on iTunes.
1(c) The songs must not contain any real creativity, freedom of creativity or anything outside of what is considered the 'norm'.
1(d) These singles must be heard in bars that have large windows and require you to wear smart shoes for entry.
1(e) If a song sounds like it is trying to make slight progression in a genre then it must immediately be ceased from the playlist.
1(f) Complex lyrical content and deep meaning is strictly prohibited.
1(g) Reality TV songs are encouraged although not completely necessary.
That is 100% true taken from the Ofcom website.
Originally Posted by Carmen Queasy:
“From Ofcom:
2.3 - Licensing copyrighted material for local airplay
1(a) Radio stations must play the most popular songs of the week based on either single sales or airplay count.
1(b) These songs must appeal to the generic chart buying audience and be available to download on iTunes.
1(c) The songs must not contain any real creativity, freedom of creativity or anything outside of what is considered the 'norm'.
1(d) These singles must be heard in bars that have large windows and require you to wear smart shoes for entry.
1(e) If a song sounds like it is trying to make slight progression in a genre then it must immediately be ceased from the playlist.
1(f) Complex lyrical content and deep meaning is strictly prohibited.
1(g) Reality TV songs are encouraged although not completely necessary.
That is 100% true taken from the Ofcom website.”
“From Ofcom:
2.3 - Licensing copyrighted material for local airplay
1(a) Radio stations must play the most popular songs of the week based on either single sales or airplay count.
1(b) These songs must appeal to the generic chart buying audience and be available to download on iTunes.
1(c) The songs must not contain any real creativity, freedom of creativity or anything outside of what is considered the 'norm'.
1(d) These singles must be heard in bars that have large windows and require you to wear smart shoes for entry.
1(e) If a song sounds like it is trying to make slight progression in a genre then it must immediately be ceased from the playlist.
1(f) Complex lyrical content and deep meaning is strictly prohibited.
1(g) Reality TV songs are encouraged although not completely necessary.
That is 100% true taken from the Ofcom website.”
Please assure me that this is a winde up
please.
Originally Posted by Carmen Queasy:
“From Ofcom:
2.3 - Licensing copyrighted material for local airplay
1(a) Radio stations must play the most popular songs of the week based on either single sales or airplay count.
1(b) These songs must appeal to the generic chart buying audience and be available to download on iTunes.
1(c) The songs must not contain any real creativity, freedom of creativity or anything outside of what is considered the 'norm'.
1(d) These singles must be heard in bars that have large windows and require you to wear smart shoes for entry.
1(e) If a song sounds like it is trying to make slight progression in a genre then it must immediately be ceased from the playlist.
1(f) Complex lyrical content and deep meaning is strictly prohibited.
1(g) Reality TV songs are encouraged although not completely necessary.
That is 100% true taken from the Ofcom website.”
“From Ofcom:
2.3 - Licensing copyrighted material for local airplay
1(a) Radio stations must play the most popular songs of the week based on either single sales or airplay count.
1(b) These songs must appeal to the generic chart buying audience and be available to download on iTunes.
1(c) The songs must not contain any real creativity, freedom of creativity or anything outside of what is considered the 'norm'.
1(d) These singles must be heard in bars that have large windows and require you to wear smart shoes for entry.
1(e) If a song sounds like it is trying to make slight progression in a genre then it must immediately be ceased from the playlist.
1(f) Complex lyrical content and deep meaning is strictly prohibited.
1(g) Reality TV songs are encouraged although not completely necessary.
That is 100% true taken from the Ofcom website.”
Hehehe.
Originally Posted by gazwah:
“Radio Playlists determine what bands make the charts anyway, Most of the bands i've always liked have never been in the charts because radio ignores them.
John Peel and John Peel alone is responsible for most of the great music we heard on our radios back in the 70's and 80's.
without him anyone from T-Rex to The Smiths would never have got anywhere.
How many great British bands are in the current top 40? 1? 2? or maybe 3?
Thanks to JP the charts from yesteryear were full of them.”
“Radio Playlists determine what bands make the charts anyway, Most of the bands i've always liked have never been in the charts because radio ignores them.
John Peel and John Peel alone is responsible for most of the great music we heard on our radios back in the 70's and 80's.
without him anyone from T-Rex to The Smiths would never have got anywhere.
How many great British bands are in the current top 40? 1? 2? or maybe 3?
Thanks to JP the charts from yesteryear were full of them.”
So true. He is sorely missed in more ways than one
Originally Posted by Astonvils:
“Please assure me that this is a winde up please.”
“Please assure me that this is a winde up
please.”
It came straight from the horses mouth (Ofcom)!
Airplay was a big factor in the old Pepsi Chart which came before Hit 40 UK. I can remember a few songs getting to No11 before they were even released. Songs with little airplay would be about 20 places lower than in the official top 40 and 11-20 would pretty much be the most played songs everyweek. Also Dr. Fox was always going on about songs spending 6 months on the countdown but that was mainly due to airplay as they had dropped out of the official chart months before.
Originally Posted by frank james:
“Airplay was a big factor in the old Pepsi Chart which came before Hit 40 UK. I can remember a few songs getting to No11 before they were even released. Songs with little airplay would be about 20 places lower than in the official top 40 and 11-20 would pretty much be the most played songs everyweek. Also Dr. Fox was always going on about songs spending 6 months on the countdown but that was mainly due to airplay as they had dropped out of the official chart months before.”
“Airplay was a big factor in the old Pepsi Chart which came before Hit 40 UK. I can remember a few songs getting to No11 before they were even released. Songs with little airplay would be about 20 places lower than in the official top 40 and 11-20 would pretty much be the most played songs everyweek. Also Dr. Fox was always going on about songs spending 6 months on the countdown but that was mainly due to airplay as they had dropped out of the official chart months before.”
Same chart, new name! I still think it is meaningless and totally in the hands of those that choose what records to play on the radio. In fact, listening to commercial radio, I'm suprised they have enough airplay records to do a whole top 40
Originally Posted by gazwah:
“Well this is how it works.
1.Major Record Company signs band.
2.Radio Stations receive cd's etc... of signed band and deejays are told by the suits to play it to death.
3. smash hit (without selling a sausage)
4. £££££££££ for the record companies on future sales, and then they do it again and again and again....
Its been this way for about 15 years or so i think.”
“Well this is how it works.
1.Major Record Company signs band.
2.Radio Stations receive cd's etc... of signed band and deejays are told by the suits to play it to death.
3. smash hit (without selling a sausage)
4. £££££££££ for the record companies on future sales, and then they do it again and again and again....
Its been this way for about 15 years or so i think.”
As i understand it there is stage 1.5. Record company employ someone to sell record to people who write the playlists. What gets on is decided mysteriously at this stage. At best you get what the companies want played plus a few "credible" acts so the record company can say it has given us a list of what it thinks is credible.
Originally Posted by Carmen Queasy:
“A lot of countries official charts are based on airplay. Some are only single sales. Some are a mixture of both.”
“A lot of countries official charts are based on airplay. Some are only single sales. Some are a mixture of both.”
A lot of European countries base their radio playlists on audience response to excerpts of songs rather than what one or two people decide to add to the playlist on whatever bizarre or financial grounds they think of. Its open to fan bases to vote for certain results but if the listening audience didn't like the results the system would be changed. Thats why you can find British singers doing well on big stations like Radio Berlin who British radio won't play because they are regarded as old hat and who no longer have big record companies paying to get them on air. The result when people get to hear them is they can sell in the top 10 in Germany but not get played at all or sell well in their own country. Actually when the British industry arbitrarily decides every singer is past their sell by date after a couple of albums, hitting the European or US market is the only alternative to the chat show or Dancing On Ice or singing in the pub or retiring at 25.
