HD sales thrash Blu-ray

niall campbell · 29-01-2008, 14:37

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...blu-move.phtml

3.5 HD discs sold to less than 1 Blu- Ray disc

So wait to April/ May people

P.S. Remember please that polls are manipulated by companies to show off their company the best

e.g: blu-ray dominance at chrimbo due to films sold to go with new PS 3 in santas pile

P.P.S. it probally wont affect the outcome but too many Playstation fans around

buy a Wii instead !!

grumsta · 29-01-2008, 15:03

I guess with the money you save on the player, you can afford to splash out on a few films

The balance may have tipped in Blu-ray's favour too much for HD-DVD to recover.

Personally I don't care which format wins as long as one of them does. I won't buy as long as there's competition.

Jarrak · 29-01-2008, 15:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by niall campbell

3.5 HD discs sold to less than 1 Blu- Ray disc

Well to be fair we always knew the disk per player sales favoured HD DVD (PS3 owners not buying movies and lower standalone penetration) but given the number of Blu capable players the overall disk sales still favoured Blu.

chrisjr · 29-01-2008, 15:39

Yes it sounds good saying 3.5 disks per player compared to 1 per player. Trouble is that only works if there is a 1 to 1 relationship between player sales!

If there are 3.5 Blu-Ray players sold for every 1 HD-DVD player then that kind of evens things up a bit

GDK · 29-01-2008, 15:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by niall campbell

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...blu-move.phtml

3.5 HD discs sold to less than 1 Blu- Ray disc

So wait to April/ May people

P.S. Remember please that polls are manipulated by companies to show off their company the best

e.g: blu-ray dominance at chrimbo due to films sold to go with new PS 3 in santas pile

P.P.S. it probally wont affect the outcome but too many Playstation fans around

buy a Wii instead !!

Good one! When were you going to point out that's the sales of disks per machine?

Sales of disks week on week have been in Blu Ray's favour for more than a year. 2:1 moving to 3:1, now 85% to 15%.

paulyoung666 · 29-01-2008, 16:11

and studio's starting to pledge allegiance to bd , suits me i have got a ps3

niall campbell · 29-01-2008, 16:19

200,000 tosh units in europe times 3.5 films is 700,000

750,000 PS3 units in UK times 0.935 is 701250

so still blu ray win.................. just

then sales of PS 3 sales in europe times films is probally 35 squillion films !!!

simon69c · 29-01-2008, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by niall campbell

3.5 HD discs sold to less than 1 Blu- Ray disc

Problem being that "software sales per player" is completely meaningless in the context of Blu-ray. When an HD DVD player is bought (either a Standalone or an Xbox addon) it is clearly being bought for movie playback - as it has no other function. When a PS3 is bought however, it could be for movies, or for games, or for both - there is no way to tell exactly. This causes a big distortion when you calculate (movie sales / hardware sales) because of the number of PS3's sold compared to the number of standalone players (of either format).

HD DVD try to use the statistic to imply that HD DVD player owners are more likely to buy movies, however if they were being completely fair then they would be comparing their number to the total BD's sold divided by number of installed Blu-ray machines being used for BD movie playback. Unfortunately it is virtually impossible to work out that latter number.

It's funny how HD DVD never mention PS3 sales when comparing their hardware sales (hence their "60% of the overall standalone high definition market"), but then suddenly include them when it suits their movies-per-player statistics (when they mention "Blu-ray device" they are including PS3s).

The total volume of movie sales is far more telling of the overall situation - and it is those numbers that are of most interest to the studios. It doesn't really matter to them if 4 HD DVD standalone owners buy 14 films between them, or 15 PS3 owners buy 14 between them - they still sell 14 films either way. It may well be that 11 of those PS3 owners bought them purely for games, and the other 4 were purely for movie playback - and so the attachment was effectively the same for both in terms of actual 'movie players'.

The reality in fact is that far more Blu-ray discs have been sold than HD DVD - and that is why Warner did what they did, and Woolworths is doing what they are (though I really don't think the Woolies announcement carries much weight at all considering how half-heartedly they seemed to be selling HD DVD anyway).

GDK · 29-01-2008, 16:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by niall campbell

200,000 tosh units in europe times 3.5 films is 700,000

750,000 PS3 units in UK times 0.935 is 701250

so still blu ray win.................. just

then sales of PS 3 sales in europe times films is probally 35 squillion films !!!

Not sure that's a good way to calculate this thing either! It doesn't tally with the week on week sales running at (worst case for Blu Ray) 2:1. That sort of advantage, week on week for year, must give a greater total sales advantage to Blu Ray than that.

Who knows what the figures really are? Stats are a good thing - if they're used correctly. Fanboys and spindoctors on both sides are selective about which figures they choose to quote. The only way to make a rational decision is to get as much information as possible from as many independant sources as possible and form your own opinion about their accuracy to build up the most complete picture you can.

Unless they're a complete fabrication, 2:1 in favour of Blu Ray for over year is pretty convincing.

Kojack · 29-01-2008, 17:15

To be honest its hard to believe either camp. BR only exsist because of the PS3 othewise the war would be over already.

Jumbo_Holden · 29-01-2008, 17:19

Maybe it's not as over as we first thought. I might think about that Samsung Hybrid (coming out in march) some more. Least your covered either way with that.

Tony Boman · 29-01-2008, 17:53

It is still too early to say the war is over.

The Woolworths announcement is a little irrelevant as they sold very few of either format and they certainly did not do a great job of marketing HD-DVDs.

The Warner announcement was a big blow to HD-DVD, but it is interesting that they are still producing new HD-DVD titles until the middle of 2008. It is more important what Paramount and Universal do now. They are big studios and state they are still committed to HD-DVD at the moment.

I have a Toshiba EP35 HD-DVD player and obviously I hope HD-DVD will be around for a while. There are currently over 800 HD-DVD titles. They are fairly cheap to buy on-line and I also have joined an on-line HD-DVD rental service. I am very happy with this purchase and will enjoy it for the present.

Depending on how things go, I will probably purchase a standalone blu-ray player or a blu-ray/hd-dvd combo player next year when the prices have dropped even further and blu-ray have sorted out their profile standards.

chriswatts · 29-01-2008, 18:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kojack

To be honest its hard to believe either camp. BR only exsist because of the PS3 othewise the war would be over already.

If you could travel back in time and obliterate Microsoft, Sun Microsystems, Sony and Toshiba then perhaps the war never would have happened. BR only existed because these four companies couldn't get on, without them we would probably not have seen HD DVD or Blu-ray it would have been something else.

Originally Posted by Tony Boman;

Quote:

The Woolworths announcement is a little irrelevant as they sold very few of either format and they certainly did not do a great job of marketing HD-DVDs.

Cynically I'd probably think that Woolworths was trying to make themselves look upmarket by jumping on the bandwagon.

Also I'm wondering if the large release of freebies that were previously out of stock had an effect. They were posted a week after they were supposed to be in stock and right at this time. Does statistics count from point of original equipment sale or release for freebies? If so it looks like it's not just Sony who call pull the freebie scam and make their sales figures better than they really are.

DPM9876 · 29-01-2008, 19:01

Surely those figures from the HD DVD camp is pretty irrelevent as they are giving away upto 7 HD DVDs per player which is probably included in their stats.

Erlang · 29-01-2008, 19:01

Statistics in both camps.

I have bought 6 Blu-ray disks since Christmas, so someone has had a lot of red boxes arrive in the last 4-5 weeks

Warner must have thought very hard before they announced.

It will all come out in the wash by the end of the year. I doubt it'll be a dual format Christmas 2008, it is too damaging to the market.

JimRockford · 29-01-2008, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by chriswatts

Cynically I'd probably think that Woolworths was trying to make themselves look upmarket by jumping on the bandwagon.

Hopefully HMV and Zavvi will follow their lead.

chriswatts · 29-01-2008, 19:36

HMV are already Blu-ray biased anyway it's always been 1/3 HD DVD to 2/3 Blu-ray. Zavvi are more middle of the road with 50/50 split between the two and Dixons has dual Blu-ray/HD DVD promotion stands with Blu-ray facing one direction and equal HD DVD the other.

niall campbell · 29-01-2008, 22:57

MAYBE JUST MAYBE the companies think we dont mind buying different console games/ pc games and that if they do the same for films we wont mind

plus if we change format we will have to re-buy all our films............. or hang to your collection like all your vhs films

call100 · 29-01-2008, 23:25

I think most of the blame for the war can go to the film companies. If Sony didn't have big shares in music and film then I don't think those that have would have gone to them.
Surely the sales are distorted now anyway. If a film is released on either format, sales will only reflect the films popularity and not necessarily the format. My brother in the US reckons most people who do the whole DVD thing use both formats. Either owning two players or a PS3 and and a standalone HD player. Or, some other combination.
I suppose the war will be won by someone.....One thing I'm sure of it won't be the customer......

GDK · 29-01-2008, 23:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by call100

>snip<
Surely the sales are distorted now anyway. If a film is released on either format, sales will only reflect the films popularity and not necessarily the format.>snip<

That's not strictly true. You can get a comparison which is relevant to format popularity when a film is released on both HD-DVD and Blu Ray. e.g 300 sold more copies (I don't recall the ratio) on Blu Ray than it did on HD-DVD. Many films available on both formats have gone the same way.

Also, when the studios are studying the figures with a view to deciding which format to support, all they really want to know is total sales. Blu Ray has outsold HD-DVD consistently week on week for over a year now and currently runs at 85% vs 15% for the two weeks results we have since the WB announcement.

F2kSel · 29-01-2008, 23:50

You can play about with the figures as much as you like, One reason Blur Ray may out sell HD films could be that it's very expensive to buy a Blue Ray Recorder and many people have a HD recorder so can record the films they want.

I have a HD recorder but don't own a single HD Disc.

dennisspooner · 30-01-2008, 00:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by chriswatts

HMV are already Blu-ray biased anyway it's always been 1/3 HD DVD to 2/3 Blu-ray. Zavvi are more middle of the road with 50/50 split between the two and Dixons has dual Blu-ray/HD DVD promotion stands with Blu-ray facing one direction and equal HD DVD the other.

But all is due to change by May at the latest.

With the end of the war retailers can now properly start pushing Bluray as the de-facto format and encouraging people to start getting some good pix on their flat panel sets

gagde · 30-01-2008, 03:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by dennisspooner

But all is due to change by May at the latest.

With the end of the war retailers can now properly start pushing Bluray as the de-facto format and encouraging people to start getting some good pix on their flat panel sets

Who says its the end of the war,plus you can get good pix on flat panel sets via hd dvd aswell.

ill stick with me tosh for now as its a great upscaler.

OranguMaTang · 30-01-2008, 08:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by niall campbell

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...blu-move.phtml

3.5 HD discs sold to less than 1 Blu- Ray disc

So wait to April/ May people

P.S. Remember please that polls are manipulated by companies to show off their company the best

e.g: blu-ray dominance at chrimbo due to films sold to go with new PS 3 in santas pile

P.P.S. it probally wont affect the outcome but too many Playstation fans around

buy a Wii instead !!

Yes, Blu-ray is getting thrashed......

Sales of both formats from Amazon.com shows 8 HD-DVD titles in top 50.....

http://charts.highdefdigest.com/rank.aspx

And this despite the fact Toshiba is all but giving away it's players.

GDK · 30-01-2008, 08:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by F2kSel

You can play about with the figures as much as you like, One reason Blur Ray may out sell HD films could be that it's very expensive to buy a Blue Ray Recorder and many people have a HD recorder so can record the films they want.

I have a HD recorder but don't own a single HD Disc.

I think you're confusing HD (Hard Disk) recorders (PVRs) with HD players. There are no Blu Ray or HD-DVD recorders in the UK, only players.

29-01-2008, 14:37	#1
niall campbell Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Aberfeldy Posts: 7,035	HD sales thrash Blu-ray http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...blu-move.phtml 3.5 HD discs sold to less than 1 Blu- Ray disc So wait to April/ May people P.S. Remember please that polls are manipulated by companies to show off their company the best e.g: blu-ray dominance at chrimbo due to films sold to go with new PS 3 in santas pile P.P.S. it probally wont affect the outcome but too many Playstation fans around buy a Wii instead !!

30-01-2008, 03:46	#23
gagde Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: staffs Posts: 3,808	Quote: Originally Posted by dennisspooner But all is due to change by May at the latest. With the end of the war retailers can now properly start pushing Bluray as the de-facto format and encouraging people to start getting some good pix on their flat panel sets Who says its the end of the war,plus you can get good pix on flat panel sets via hd dvd aswell.ill stick with me tosh for now as its a great upscaler.

29-01-2008, 15:03	#2
grumsta Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hinckley, Leics, UK Posts: 252	I guess with the money you save on the player, you can afford to splash out on a few films The balance may have tipped in Blu-ray's favour too much for HD-DVD to recover. Personally I don't care which format wins as long as one of them does. I won't buy as long as there's competition.

29-01-2008, 15:33	#3
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	Quote: Originally Posted by niall campbell 3.5 HD discs sold to less than 1 Blu- Ray disc Well to be fair we always knew the disk per player sales favoured HD DVD (PS3 owners not buying movies and lower standalone penetration) but given the number of Blu capable players the overall disk sales still favoured Blu.

29-01-2008, 15:39	#4
chrisjr Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 27,916	Yes it sounds good saying 3.5 disks per player compared to 1 per player. Trouble is that only works if there is a 1 to 1 relationship between player sales! If there are 3.5 Blu-Ray players sold for every 1 HD-DVD player then that kind of evens things up a bit

29-01-2008, 15:48	#5
GDK Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Wigan Posts: 4,892	Quote: Originally Posted by niall campbell http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...blu-move.phtml 3.5 HD discs sold to less than 1 Blu- Ray disc So wait to April/ May people P.S. Remember please that polls are manipulated by companies to show off their company the best e.g: blu-ray dominance at chrimbo due to films sold to go with new PS 3 in santas pile P.P.S. it probally wont affect the outcome but too many Playstation fans around buy a Wii instead !! Good one! When were you going to point out that's the sales of disks per machine? Sales of disks week on week have been in Blu Ray's favour for more than a year. 2:1 moving to 3:1, now 85% to 15%.

29-01-2008, 16:11	#6
paulyoung666 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,151	and studio's starting to pledge allegiance to bd , suits me i have got a ps3

29-01-2008, 16:19	#7
niall campbell Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Aberfeldy Posts: 7,035	200,000 tosh units in europe times 3.5 films is 700,000 750,000 PS3 units in UK times 0.935 is 701250 so still blu ray win.................. just then sales of PS 3 sales in europe times films is probally 35 squillion films !!!

29-01-2008, 16:53	#8
simon69c Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,415	Quote: Originally Posted by niall campbell 3.5 HD discs sold to less than 1 Blu- Ray disc Problem being that "software sales per player" is completely meaningless in the context of Blu-ray. When an HD DVD player is bought (either a Standalone or an Xbox addon) it is clearly being bought for movie playback - as it has no other function. When a PS3 is bought however, it could be for movies, or for games, or for both - there is no way to tell exactly. This causes a big distortion when you calculate (movie sales / hardware sales) because of the number of PS3's sold compared to the number of standalone players (of either format). HD DVD try to use the statistic to imply that HD DVD player owners are more likely to buy movies, however if they were being completely fair then they would be comparing their number to the total BD's sold divided by number of installed Blu-ray machines being used for BD movie playback. Unfortunately it is virtually impossible to work out that latter number. It's funny how HD DVD never mention PS3 sales when comparing their hardware sales (hence their "60% of the overall standalone high definition market"), but then suddenly include them when it suits their movies-per-player statistics (when they mention "Blu-ray device" they are including PS3s). The total volume of movie sales is far more telling of the overall situation - and it is those numbers that are of most interest to the studios. It doesn't really matter to them if 4 HD DVD standalone owners buy 14 films between them, or 15 PS3 owners buy 14 between them - they still sell 14 films either way. It may well be that 11 of those PS3 owners bought them purely for games, and the other 4 were purely for movie playback - and so the attachment was effectively the same for both in terms of actual 'movie players'. The reality in fact is that far more Blu-ray discs have been sold than HD DVD - and that is why Warner did what they did, and Woolworths is doing what they are (though I really don't think the Woolies announcement carries much weight at all considering how half-heartedly they seemed to be selling HD DVD anyway).

29-01-2008, 16:59	#9
GDK Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Wigan Posts: 4,892	Quote: Originally Posted by niall campbell 200,000 tosh units in europe times 3.5 films is 700,000 750,000 PS3 units in UK times 0.935 is 701250 so still blu ray win.................. just then sales of PS 3 sales in europe times films is probally 35 squillion films !!! Not sure that's a good way to calculate this thing either! It doesn't tally with the week on week sales running at (worst case for Blu Ray) 2:1. That sort of advantage, week on week for year, must give a greater total sales advantage to Blu Ray than that. Who knows what the figures really are? Stats are a good thing - if they're used correctly. Fanboys and spindoctors on both sides are selective about which figures they choose to quote. The only way to make a rational decision is to get as much information as possible from as many independant sources as possible and form your own opinion about their accuracy to build up the most complete picture you can. Unless they're a complete fabrication, 2:1 in favour of Blu Ray for over year is pretty convincing.

29-01-2008, 17:15	#10
Kojack Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Pomgolia Posts: 1,162	To be honest its hard to believe either camp. BR only exsist because of the PS3 othewise the war would be over already.

29-01-2008, 17:19	#11
Jumbo_Holden Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Telford, Shropshire Posts: 3,362	Maybe it's not as over as we first thought. I might think about that Samsung Hybrid (coming out in march) some more. Least your covered either way with that.

29-01-2008, 17:53	#12
Tony Boman Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Church Crookham, Hampshire Posts: 137	It is still too early to say the war is over. The Woolworths announcement is a little irrelevant as they sold very few of either format and they certainly did not do a great job of marketing HD-DVDs. The Warner announcement was a big blow to HD-DVD, but it is interesting that they are still producing new HD-DVD titles until the middle of 2008. It is more important what Paramount and Universal do now. They are big studios and state they are still committed to HD-DVD at the moment. I have a Toshiba EP35 HD-DVD player and obviously I hope HD-DVD will be around for a while. There are currently over 800 HD-DVD titles. They are fairly cheap to buy on-line and I also have joined an on-line HD-DVD rental service. I am very happy with this purchase and will enjoy it for the present. Depending on how things go, I will probably purchase a standalone blu-ray player or a blu-ray/hd-dvd combo player next year when the prices have dropped even further and blu-ray have sorted out their profile standards.

29-01-2008, 18:37	#13
chriswatts Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 537	Quote: Originally Posted by Kojack To be honest its hard to believe either camp. BR only exsist because of the PS3 othewise the war would be over already. If you could travel back in time and obliterate Microsoft, Sun Microsystems, Sony and Toshiba then perhaps the war never would have happened. BR only existed because these four companies couldn't get on, without them we would probably not have seen HD DVD or Blu-ray it would have been something else. Originally Posted by Tony Boman; Quote: The Woolworths announcement is a little irrelevant as they sold very few of either format and they certainly did not do a great job of marketing HD-DVDs. Cynically I'd probably think that Woolworths was trying to make themselves look upmarket by jumping on the bandwagon. Also I'm wondering if the large release of freebies that were previously out of stock had an effect. They were posted a week after they were supposed to be in stock and right at this time. Does statistics count from point of original equipment sale or release for freebies? If so it looks like it's not just Sony who call pull the freebie scam and make their sales figures better than they really are.

29-01-2008, 19:01	#14
DPM9876 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Brighton, UK Posts: 716	Surely those figures from the HD DVD camp is pretty irrelevent as they are giving away upto 7 HD DVDs per player which is probably included in their stats.

29-01-2008, 19:01	#15
Erlang Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Was UK now EU Posts: 3,158	Statistics in both camps. I have bought 6 Blu-ray disks since Christmas, so someone has had a lot of red boxes arrive in the last 4-5 weeks Warner must have thought very hard before they announced. It will all come out in the wash by the end of the year. I doubt it'll be a dual format Christmas 2008, it is too damaging to the market.

29-01-2008, 19:14	#16
JimRockford Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London Posts: 2,989	Quote: Originally Posted by chriswatts Cynically I'd probably think that Woolworths was trying to make themselves look upmarket by jumping on the bandwagon. Hopefully HMV and Zavvi will follow their lead.

29-01-2008, 19:36	#17
chriswatts Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 537	HMV are already Blu-ray biased anyway it's always been 1/3 HD DVD to 2/3 Blu-ray. Zavvi are more middle of the road with 50/50 split between the two and Dixons has dual Blu-ray/HD DVD promotion stands with Blu-ray facing one direction and equal HD DVD the other.

29-01-2008, 22:57	#18
niall campbell Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Aberfeldy Posts: 7,035	MAYBE JUST MAYBE the companies think we dont mind buying different console games/ pc games and that if they do the same for films we wont mind plus if we change format we will have to re-buy all our films............. or hang to your collection like all your vhs films

29-01-2008, 23:25	#19
call100 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,572	I think most of the blame for the war can go to the film companies. If Sony didn't have big shares in music and film then I don't think those that have would have gone to them. Surely the sales are distorted now anyway. If a film is released on either format, sales will only reflect the films popularity and not necessarily the format. My brother in the US reckons most people who do the whole DVD thing use both formats. Either owning two players or a PS3 and and a standalone HD player. Or, some other combination. I suppose the war will be won by someone.....One thing I'm sure of it won't be the customer......

29-01-2008, 23:35	#20
GDK Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Wigan Posts: 4,892	Quote: Originally Posted by call100 >snip< Surely the sales are distorted now anyway. If a film is released on either format, sales will only reflect the films popularity and not necessarily the format.>snip< That's not strictly true. You can get a comparison which is relevant to format popularity when a film is released on both HD-DVD and Blu Ray. e.g 300 sold more copies (I don't recall the ratio) on Blu Ray than it did on HD-DVD. Many films available on both formats have gone the same way. Also, when the studios are studying the figures with a view to deciding which format to support, all they really want to know is total sales. Blu Ray has outsold HD-DVD consistently week on week for over a year now and currently runs at 85% vs 15% for the two weeks results we have since the WB announcement.

29-01-2008, 23:50	#21
F2kSel Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Stoke Posts: 1,240	You can play about with the figures as much as you like, One reason Blur Ray may out sell HD films could be that it's very expensive to buy a Blue Ray Recorder and many people have a HD recorder so can record the films they want. I have a HD recorder but don't own a single HD Disc.

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30-01-2008, 00:20	#22
dennisspooner Banned User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,153	Quote: Originally Posted by chriswatts HMV are already Blu-ray biased anyway it's always been 1/3 HD DVD to 2/3 Blu-ray. Zavvi are more middle of the road with 50/50 split between the two and Dixons has dual Blu-ray/HD DVD promotion stands with Blu-ray facing one direction and equal HD DVD the other. But all is due to change by May at the latest. With the end of the war retailers can now properly start pushing Bluray as the de-facto format and encouraging people to start getting some good pix on their flat panel sets

30-01-2008, 08:27	#24
OranguMaTang Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 712	Quote: Originally Posted by niall campbell http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...blu-move.phtml 3.5 HD discs sold to less than 1 Blu- Ray disc So wait to April/ May people P.S. Remember please that polls are manipulated by companies to show off their company the best e.g: blu-ray dominance at chrimbo due to films sold to go with new PS 3 in santas pile P.P.S. it probally wont affect the outcome but too many Playstation fans around buy a Wii instead !! Yes, Blu-ray is getting thrashed...... Sales of both formats from Amazon.com shows 8 HD-DVD titles in top 50..... http://charts.highdefdigest.com/rank.aspx And this despite the fact Toshiba is all but giving away it's players.

30-01-2008, 08:31	#25
GDK Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Wigan Posts: 4,892	Quote: Originally Posted by F2kSel You can play about with the figures as much as you like, One reason Blur Ray may out sell HD films could be that it's very expensive to buy a Blue Ray Recorder and many people have a HD recorder so can record the films they want. I have a HD recorder but don't own a single HD Disc. I think you're confusing HD (Hard Disk) recorders (PVRs) with HD players. There are no Blu Ray or HD-DVD recorders in the UK, only players.