you did mention them, you said you wouldn't mention the bad conditions.

you cant brand all farmers with the same iron. yes you may have videos, but i bet i could get hundreds more of livestock kept in excellent conditions.

the cattle being sold on i were talking about were beef cattle. They're not from dairy cattle.

So do you regard it as kinder, to allow mother and calf to spend days, weeks months together, then be separated breaking a very strong bond, causing greater stress to both animals. These are facts you cannot get from watching videos on you tube, or comparing it to you or me having our babies taken away after birth. and no, it is not correct that they are kept constantly pregnant! a cow will continue to produce milk for about 300 days after calving. However unfortunately int his world even the kindest farmer has to work to profit, as milk productivity decreases over this time.

Most dairy farmers in this country work on a 14 month cycle. cows are pregnant for 9 months. Then they have around 5 moths of being without calf.

I just believe on a thread discussing the best of British to come on and dam what really is the backbone of our country and a true example of what really is best of British is disgusting.

I love Rose Elliott and her christmas recipes are lovely!

And you spent a whole post criticising me for something I said I wouldn't mention!


I'll bet you could. Sanctioned ones. There's a reason why filmmakers who turn up without an appointment are turned away before they get anywhere near the places. The're still not allowed even if they ask for an appointment.


So why did you say I was wrong when you were talking about something entirely different? I was talking about the processes that dairy cattle go through. I was correct on those. You spent a great deal of time telling me how happy beef cattle were. Not really relevant to the issue of dairy farming.


I don't think they should be separated at all. Hey there's an idea!


Lucky them!

And why can't we compare it to humans losing their babies. I see this is where we ultimately disagree. To you cows are commodities, to me they are individuals who deserve respect, have as much of a right to live as we do and there is plenty of evidence that cows mourn their young and if given the chance would fight to stop them being taken away.

If treating animals in that way is best of British then god help us.

There's one in the Christmas book which I've never tried which has three different layers in a ring. It looks lovely! You haven't tried it, have you?

I have!! I used a cake cutter for the ring though because I didn't have one of those posh ring things lol

It looks very impressive on the plate! (and it's really easy to make! )

I'm not saying anything else on the ethics of dairy farming on this thread by the way. If anyone wants anymore information they can pm me or if they want to start a new thread then we can go to GS.

Back to the recipes

My uncle was a dairy farmer. He bought me by first vegetarian cook book.

Duh! I never even thought of that! It was because I couldn't find the ring that I never cooked it. I will now! Thanks, Ruby. Can you remember what you served it with?

See that is where you are wrong! to me cattle aren't a commodity. I hate farms, i hate the fact they ever have to kill anything. I hated it when our cattle left. I can never eat any animal that i have personally known. I cannot stand any sort of cruelty to animals. i was a vegetarian for most of my life. I am not a person who would put up with any sort of unfair cruel treatment. There is no way i would/could continue to be friends or visit those who i saw behaving in an appalling way.

This is how i know that what you believe is not true. Yes there are cases of cruelty, but then there are some cases of dog cruelty or child cruelty. I witnessed farming of all sorts through out most of my life. And yes there have been people whos behaviour i have seen that i didnt agree with. But these were reported by my parents, and i never saw them again. I'm still left with lots and lots of farms. ( i went to a farming school by the way) hence then vast number of farmers i know and have experienced

I'm having problems remembering! My memory is all shot to pieces these days!! I think it was this! http://www.viva.org.uk/christmas/rec...okestrudel.php

Ooh that would make a good one for the restaurant!!

Wow! Call that something else instead of studel and that would be great on a menu!

I know! It looks like something traditional and British doesn't it? I didn't cotton on to the name! lol

Pinkfairy... just looking back over your posts to me. I don't want to get into a debate over farmed animals but just wanted to point out a few things.







I feel just as passionate about my views as you do but I try to conduct debates without resort to insults and calling your views rubbish. What I said was not disgusting, rubbish or atrocious and I was not mouthing off.

The thread was about traditional British vegetarian food if you would like to check the OP.

Not wishing to intrude, but just to say - Pinkfairy, did you see the link that Ruby Shoes edited into her post #49 on the previous page? Hopefully that will clear up any misunderstandings regarding the issue of cruelty in the dairy industry.