I love his version of Oh My God, Lily Allen sounds great on it
Mark ronson
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Originally Posted by WatershipBrakey:
“Whilst I wouldn't disagree, this is the Brits and Robbie Williams ahs the most awards of any person so there lies the problem with it. The fact is, his sound is THE sound of the moment so he has been awarded for his production skills, yes. Whether or not he should have is a different argument and one you'll have to take up with every other awrding body because for every award Ronson wins here, Timbaland is winning even more over the pond.
It's a grey area for sure and one I'd like to see rectifed because it is wrong.
And where were Iron Maiden for best group!?”
“Whilst I wouldn't disagree, this is the Brits and Robbie Williams ahs the most awards of any person so there lies the problem with it. The fact is, his sound is THE sound of the moment so he has been awarded for his production skills, yes. Whether or not he should have is a different argument and one you'll have to take up with every other awrding body because for every award Ronson wins here, Timbaland is winning even more over the pond.
It's a grey area for sure and one I'd like to see rectifed because it is wrong.
And where were Iron Maiden for best group!?”
Yeah but as far as I'm aware Timbaland doesn't win awards for cover versions as he either produces or writes/sings/raps his own songs.
Anyway, like you say, The Brits will find a way of awarding who they want to award, even if it means changing the rules/categories from one year to another. I think that's one of the reasons they've lost credibility for alot of people. Maybe next year there will be a 'best producer' award
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Originally Posted by PANNAL1:
“I love his version of Oh My God, Lily Allen sounds great on it”
“I love his version of Oh My God, Lily Allen sounds great on it”
I quite like most of the "Covers" album...I really like "Stop Me".
Isn't it a bit like George Martin releasing an album under the title "George Martin feat. The Beatles"?
I think he should stick to producing those 1970s cover compilations - wasn't it under the name of Ron&Co?
I think he should stick to producing those 1970s cover compilations - wasn't it under the name of Ron&Co?
Originally Posted by Midiboy:
“I quite like most of the "Covers" album...I really like "Stop Me".”
“I quite like most of the "Covers" album...I really like "Stop Me".”
And me...definitely the highlight on what is overall a pretty good album.
Originally Posted by Midiboy:
“I quite like most of the "Covers" album...I really like "Stop Me".”
“I quite like most of the "Covers" album...I really like "Stop Me".”
err better than the Morrisey sung original.....
I think not. it is just so easy to take someone elses songs and add a few bits of instruments and synthesised notes to it, get it all moderned & flashed up and sell it.
ronson...write your own songs of that calibre if you can...i think you will find he cannot write a meody or a tune.
as for the lillly allen song...go back and listen to the original
Originally Posted by PANNAL1:
“I love his version of Oh My God, Lily Allen sounds great on it”
“I love his version of Oh My God, Lily Allen sounds great on it”
shouldn't that be "love Lily Allen's version of "Oh my God", the production is pretty good"?
important difference.
Originally Posted by matt6667:
“err better than the Morrisey sung original.....”
“err better than the Morrisey sung original.....”
IMO yes...I prefer Ronson's arrangement and Daniel's vocals. I also love The Supremes mash up towards the end.
Originally Posted by matt6667:
“as for the lillly allen song...go back and listen to the original”
“as for the lillly allen song...go back and listen to the original”
Just did and still prefer Ronson's version.
Originally Posted by jive bunny:
“IMO yes...I prefer Ronson's arrangement and Daniel's vocals. I also love The Supremes mash up towards the end.”
“IMO yes...I prefer Ronson's arrangement and Daniel's vocals. I also love The Supremes mash up towards the end.”
fair enough. its in the ear of the belistener...
could you point me to an original composition by Ronson that oozes such talent.....
Originally Posted by matt6667:
“err better than the Morrisey sung original.....
I think not. it is just so easy to take someone elses songs and add a few bits of instruments and synthesised notes to it, get it all moderned & flashed up and sell it.
ronson...write your own songs of that calibre if you can...i think you will find he cannot write a meody or a tune.
as for the lillly allen song...go back and listen to the original”
“err better than the Morrisey sung original.....
I think not. it is just so easy to take someone elses songs and add a few bits of instruments and synthesised notes to it, get it all moderned & flashed up and sell it.
ronson...write your own songs of that calibre if you can...i think you will find he cannot write a meody or a tune.
as for the lillly allen song...go back and listen to the original”
Where in my post did I allude to it being better than the original? I like the original too but I also happen to like the Ronson version...
Originally Posted by matt6667:
“fair enough. its in the ear of the belistener...”
“fair enough. its in the ear of the belistener...”
Exactly.
Originally Posted by matt6667:
“could you point me to an original composition by Ronson that oozes such talent.....”
“could you point me to an original composition by Ronson that oozes such talent.....”
So he doesn't compose his own stuff. There's still room in the industry for producers like him. I for one love it when old tracks are given a new slant, particularly if they're mashed up with other tracks.
Originally Posted by The Spoon:
“shouldn't that be "love Lily Allen's version of "Oh my God", the production is pretty good"?
important difference.”
“shouldn't that be "love Lily Allen's version of "Oh my God", the production is pretty good"?
important difference.”
You've got it the wrong way round though - it is Ronson's version with Lily doing the vocals. Lily did not re-interpret this song, Ronson did and asked her to lay down the vocals.
Originally Posted by matt6667:
“err better than the Morrisey sung original.....
I think not. it is just so easy to take someone elses songs and add a few bits of instruments and synthesised notes to it, get it all moderned & flashed up and sell it.
ronson...write your own songs of that calibre if you can...i think you will find he cannot write a meody or a tune.
as for the lillly allen song...go back and listen to the original”
“err better than the Morrisey sung original.....
I think not. it is just so easy to take someone elses songs and add a few bits of instruments and synthesised notes to it, get it all moderned & flashed up and sell it.
ronson...write your own songs of that calibre if you can...i think you will find he cannot write a meody or a tune.
as for the lillly allen song...go back and listen to the original”
I think you've missed a trick here - he does that sort of stuff for people like Amy Winehouse and Lily Allen. This was a covers album.
The Morissey original is crap, the Coldplay original is crap - he's improved both of them - in my opinion. The Radiohead one is great, Oh My God is as good, if not better, than the original too.
I'm a huge Radiohead fan and I think MR's version of Just is awful. Not because I'm precious, but just because it's awful!!!!
No way Mark should have won the Best Male Brit. Mika should have won that. Oh yeah sorry he didn't go to the Brit School did he.
No way Mark should have won the Best Male Brit. Mika should have won that. Oh yeah sorry he didn't go to the Brit School did he.
Originally Posted by matt6667:
“mark ronson is not the musical genius the press make him out to be. he does covers....most karoke acts do covers. His covers are not that great too and he does not sing on them either. Producing music has been going on for decades...its people like Timbaland and Ronson who are trying to make it into something it isnt.
mediocre rubbish...the listeners seem to love that kind of things these days”
“mark ronson is not the musical genius the press make him out to be. he does covers....most karoke acts do covers. His covers are not that great too and he does not sing on them either. Producing music has been going on for decades...its people like Timbaland and Ronson who are trying to make it into something it isnt.
mediocre rubbish...the listeners seem to love that kind of things these days”
If you are going to post on a thread and slag someone off then at least look into what they have done and not what you happen to think, do a little reasearch before going off on one.
The guy is an amazing producer, see what he has produced and where he is now considering he started off as a club DJ.
he has rejigged other famous songs. many club djs like to do that sort of thing. he also comes from a relatively wealthy family and had the contacts and money to help him. he is also not british as he is a US citizen now.
lets see if he can make a hit out of a song that never made it to the top 100
lets see if he can make a hit out of a song that never made it to the top 100
Originally Posted by jive bunny:
“Just did and still prefer Ronson's version.”
“Just did and still prefer Ronson's version.”
But it's still just tarting up a song created by somebody else.
It's still working on the basis of somebody else's original song where he adds little fills and changes the sound dynamics for remastering.
It's like tinkering with somebody else's songs where they have done the donkey work of creating the melodies, chords, structure of the song, the hook, the riffs, basically the creative essence of what makes the song work in the first place...and he just comes along and adds horn fills, dumps a standard Amen drum loop over the top or something (As in 'Just'), and then plays about with the dynamics of the sound which is already there, like add a bit of low end to the bass, or take a bit of high end out of the hi hats or something.
At least with somebody like Fat Boy Slim or some other DJ producer you can see him at work taking bits of samples from here and there and creating something brand new from it all, creating a fresh brand new song.
I'm not saying that he isn't talented or anything, I'm just saying that I think that if you win awards then you have to pretty much prove yourself by creating original work. Not just by tinkering with other people's work.
Originally Posted by rachelgata:
“I'm a huge Radiohead fan and I think MR's version of Just is awful. Not because I'm precious, but just because it's awful!!!!
No way Mark should have won the Best Male Brit. Mika should have won that. Oh yeah sorry he didn't go to the Brit School did he.”
“I'm a huge Radiohead fan and I think MR's version of Just is awful. Not because I'm precious, but just because it's awful!!!!
No way Mark should have won the Best Male Brit. Mika should have won that. Oh yeah sorry he didn't go to the Brit School did he.”
Can you explain why you think it's awful? I'm not having a dig, it's just that 'Just' is my favourite Radiohead song and Ronson's version has kept the same tune, just replacing the brilliant guitar with horns, which is probably why I still like it.
Mika got the best newcomer one, he was never going to get both. And he's still only really done Grace Kelly whereas Ronson's given us a few hits to chew the fat over.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“But it's still just tarting up a song created by somebody else.
It's still working on the basis of somebody else's original song where he adds little fills and changes the sound dynamics for remastering.
It's like tinkering with somebody else's songs where they have done the donkey work of creating the melodies, chords, structure of the song, the hook, the riffs, basically the creative essence of what makes the song work in the first place...and he just comes along and adds horn fills, dumps a standard Amen drum loop over the top or something (As in 'Just'), and then plays about with the dynamics of the sound which is already there, like add a bit of low end to the bass, or take a bit of high end out of the hi hats or something.
At least with somebody like Fat Boy Slim or some other DJ producer you can see him at work taking bits of samples from here and there and creating something brand new from it all, creating a fresh brand new song.”
“But it's still just tarting up a song created by somebody else.
It's still working on the basis of somebody else's original song where he adds little fills and changes the sound dynamics for remastering.
It's like tinkering with somebody else's songs where they have done the donkey work of creating the melodies, chords, structure of the song, the hook, the riffs, basically the creative essence of what makes the song work in the first place...and he just comes along and adds horn fills, dumps a standard Amen drum loop over the top or something (As in 'Just'), and then plays about with the dynamics of the sound which is already there, like add a bit of low end to the bass, or take a bit of high end out of the hi hats or something.
At least with somebody like Fat Boy Slim or some other DJ producer you can see him at work taking bits of samples from here and there and creating something brand new from it all, creating a fresh brand new song.”
I'm not bothered exactly what/how much he does/doesn't add to it TBH...I just prefer his version.
Originally Posted by matt6667:
“lets see if he can make a hit out of a song that never made it to the top 100”
“lets see if he can make a hit out of a song that never made it to the top 100”
Heard Amy Winehouse's album? That's him and there's not a big cover on there!
Originally Posted by WatershipBrakey:
“Can you explain why you think it's awful? I'm not having a dig, it's just that 'Just' is my favourite Radiohead song and Ronson's version has kept the same tune, just replacing the brilliant guitar with horns, which is probably why I still like it.
Mika got the best newcomer one, he was never going to get both. And he's still only really done Grace Kelly whereas Ronson's given us a few hits to chew the fat over.”
“Can you explain why you think it's awful? I'm not having a dig, it's just that 'Just' is my favourite Radiohead song and Ronson's version has kept the same tune, just replacing the brilliant guitar with horns, which is probably why I still like it.
Mika got the best newcomer one, he was never going to get both. And he's still only really done Grace Kelly whereas Ronson's given us a few hits to chew the fat over.”
Sure. Though sometimes it is hard to pinpoint why you don't like something.
Well since you mention horns, I just don't like them; for me, it doesn't work. And if anything (apart from the horns and the fact it isn't the brilliant Thom Yorke singing, lol) it is too similar to Radiohead's version. It offers nothing original. I don't see the point of it.
I like other Mark Ronson covers because they are so different from the originals. Stop Me is great (and I am a diehard Smiths fan), as is Valerie. So it's nothing against Mark!
I have to disagree also that Mika 'has only really given us Grace Kelly'..yes that's his signature song but he's had four other big hits (three Top Tens and another in the Top 20) plus he has sold over 4 million copies worldwide of Life in Cartoon Motion. He has had sell-out tours in Britain, Europe and recently the US and Canada. He was nominated for a Grammy, and won 4 World Music Awards.
So not just Grace Kelly, then.
Just used the youtube link to hear the new cover of "Just" well that's 3 minutes 21 seconds of life i'll never get back. And how anyone can honestly think that the new cover of Oh my God is better than the original is unfathomable. It has to be up with Rolf Harris' cover of Stairway to Heaven as the worst cover ever.
If we're awarding people for overseas sales and popularity, then Shampoo would have won best Group. I don't disagree that he's popular but ask most people and they'll say Grace Kelly (I certainly couldn't name a second track). Mention Mark Ronson and you'll get a mixture of song names. I personally think they got it right, botht he newcomer and the male. It awarded both of them.
Originally Posted by WatershipBrakey:
“You've got it the wrong way round though - it is Ronson's version with Lily doing the vocals. Lily did not re-interpret this song, Ronson did and asked her to lay down the vocals.”
“You've got it the wrong way round though - it is Ronson's version with Lily doing the vocals. Lily did not re-interpret this song, Ronson did and asked her to lay down the vocals.”
since when did arrangers get the credit?
probably not since Mantovani...
Anyhow, I didn't see the point of it - if Lilly Allen hadn't sung the vocals, nobody would have noticed his 'arrangement' - it's just tinkering, using what is to hand to make a popular song sound slightly different from the original. it became a Kaiser Chiefs song done in the Lilly Allen style - Lighter Man did no more than that.
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