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Old 20-02-2008, 23:40
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How many ex pupils were nominated or got awards tonight??

Does it mean that in the future the only winners will come from the Brit school
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Old 20-02-2008, 23:48
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I was just about to start a similar thread, but I'm sorry Take that winning best live act over muse for one.....

also the arctic monkeys and kaiser cheifs are way better.

what a pile of shite
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Old 20-02-2008, 23:58
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Living in London gives you an immediate advantage in the music industry, it's a well known fact.

But yes it was quite funny how everything did seem to come from that one school!!

I was quite disappointed at the Brits. Where were artistslike
Fall Out Boy, Avril Lavigne, Bloc Party, Elliot Minor, The Enemy, Gym Class Heroes, Justin Timberlake, Paramore, Scouting For Girls & The Wombats?

They deserved to be recognised because each one was very popular last year.
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Old 21-02-2008, 00:07
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are recording companies to lazy to go around the country to find talent?

or are we to be inundated by acts with mockney accents for the comming years

if the Brit scool is that important they should consider opening a school north of Watford Gap
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Old 21-02-2008, 07:32
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I was just about to start a similar thread, but I'm sorry Take that winning best live act over muse for one.....

also the arctic monkeys and kaiser cheifs are way better.

what a pile of shite

To be fair, though, the 2 most prestigious awards of the night (as like last year) went to a band who ripped the p*** out of the Brit School...which was funny.
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Old 21-02-2008, 09:07
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the two awards that take that won, were voted for by the public. The TT fanbase is ridiculously dedicated (i should know, i am one of them, although i only voted once because i know the crazier fans would vote till the cows came home) so no one else had a chance of winning really. Muse are amazing live but so are Take That, they put a lot of effort and money into their shows and truely are superb.
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Old 21-02-2008, 10:15
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Yes, the Getalong Gang culture of the Brit School is alive and kicking, note Adele saying she could see a lot of old friends from there in the audience last night. All the Brit School culture seems to be about is middle class, young people who sing about a bunch of self-righteous crap in my opinion. That the media rave on about Amy Winehouse just because she turned up and sang last night says it all, really.

I also must say, I'm very surprised Paul McCartney hadn't won an award for his achievements at the Brits until now, he's achieved more in his career than most musicians have!
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Old 21-02-2008, 11:56
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actully the brits wanted to give him an award for some time but he always kept refusing so they gave it to someone else. (spice girls, paul weller)
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Old 21-02-2008, 12:12
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It amazes how many people still sit on the edge of their seats hoping these awards will throw up some deserved awards.

The Brits are worse than the oscars for that. In fact the Brits have always been a steaming pile of dog do!
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Old 21-02-2008, 12:40
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Yes, the Getalong Gang culture of the Brit School is alive and kicking, note Adele saying she could see a lot of old friends from there in the audience last night. All the Brit School culture seems to be about is middle class, young people who sing about a bunch of self-righteous crap in my opinion. That the media rave on about Amy Winehouse just because she turned up and sang last night says it all, really.
we agree and disagree - IMO there is absolutely nothing wrong with Getalong Gangs - it's how society functions and anybody that decries social cohesion is an utter fool IMO.

the Brit school is a general performing arts academy and it attracts talented and ambitious people - a lot of talented people have gone through it. considering the people that founded it were independently successful in their fields suggests that this country had a performing arts niche that needed to be filled.
it attracts a certain type of talented person - same as theatre schools, RADA and Paul McCartney's Liverpool Academy.
it is not the only way to get ahead and forming a band, gigging etc teaches youngsters a lot about the hard world of professional music - the academies can save some performers making mistakes and 'fast-track' others. so what?

youngsters tend to put either idealism or nihilism into their music (nihilism being cowardice in the face of idealisim!) it is no surprise that kids from any academy will seem naive.

I learned my musicianship the hard way and so did most of my friends (same with other aspects of the performing arts), but a couple of the musicians went through the professional orchestral route and a couple of actors/dancers went throguh the academy route - there are lots of different paths we can take as performers, but the destination is often the same.

the most successful of my friends and acquaintances in performing arts -

one was a self-taught guitar/keyboardist, left school with modest qualifications yet who at the peak of his fame was on tour with an internationally no.1 rock band, but is now retired from that level of gigging - last time I met up with him, he was playing for fun doing a pub gig, which he was content to do - probably 20 people rather than 20,000

another who went the academy route ended up teaching performing arts and increasingly hob-nobs with the famous (ex-pupils and people in the industry) - with her career progression so far she'll probably end up running an academy or become an artists' agent

another started as a student organising gigs for the Student Union, formed a record and PR company and now just promotes for US labels

different paths, but they all achieved success - it doesn't matter that one was in a "getalong gang" or that another was an awkward sod - they each found their route and trod their own path. none of them was or is greater than the rest.

FWIW Amy Wino is not the most admired ex-Brit school person - some people there find her an embarassment, considering that they are trying to instil professionalism in the pupils...
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Old 21-02-2008, 15:49
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The thing I am trying to get at is that The Brits fund the Brit School and the Brits are funded by BMG, EMI, SONY, VIRGIN, Entertainment UK, ect., ect

I dont know if it is, but it seems to me that this school is attended exclusively by kids from London

now they are talented but Brit school kids seem to get more favoritisim and are pushed for nominations and awards

is this the way things are going to be from now on ?, if it is should we change the name of the Brits to the Londons?

is there no talent in this country outside London?
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Old 21-02-2008, 16:03
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is there no talent in this country outside London?

IMO the best talent in this country is from anywhere but London. It certainly appears however, that unless you originate from there or surrounding areas, you get no support whatsoever from the music industry, or the media.
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Old 21-02-2008, 16:11
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IMO the best talent in this country is from anywhere but London. It certainly appears however, that unless you originate from there or surrounding areas, you get no support whatsoever from the music industry, or the media.
that's as stupid as saying that there is only talent IN London.

not heard of The Beatles? Oasis? the Merseybeat Scene? Madchester? Scotland?

never heard of all the number 1 acts from Liverpool? or the Brumbeat scene? or the Black Country heavy metal revival?

even the Darkeness were from Lowestoft - and you don't get much more unhip than "East Angular"

Sorry - forgot that "London" is anywhere within 100 miles of the sound of Bow Bells
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Old 21-02-2008, 16:12
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Last night was one major advertising session for the Brits school, I thought it was pretty shameful TBH.

Sure it's nice to acknolwedge where you came from but shoving it down our throats through every award recipient and by the announcer made me lose interest quickly last night.

I don't listen to much western/UK music anymore, and most of the people that won last night (Kate Nash, Arctic Monkeys etc...) are the reasons why.
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Old 21-02-2008, 16:44
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I don't care what anyone says about Brit School, it's still a Geatalong mentality at the ceremony. It's all very well that young musicians who can afford thier help get it, that's all well and good, but I prefer to see singers and bands who have to make it the hard way-gigging in small clubs, trying to get a record deal-getting the chance to be famous. For me, they've earned it more because it's been much tougher for them.
The Brits are becoming more biased to their own year upon year, however you may dress it up.
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Old 21-02-2008, 17:33
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What I thought was really weird was that the show appeared to be implying that it's such a 'cool' thing for music talent to come from stage school.
It felt as though the Brit School nominees had been briefed and encouraged by somebody beforehand to promote the Brit School when they give their winner's speech.

As though it's somehow better than music which has come from the underground.

I found that a bit more cynical than just the promotion of the school itself.
It was like they were implying that music industry approved talent is better than anything else that comes from the grass roots.

Woo, music industry backed stage school 'artists'....Let's ROCK.
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Old 21-02-2008, 17:42
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I don't care what anyone says about Brit School, it's still a Geatalong mentality at the ceremony. It's all very well that young musicians who can afford thier help get it, that's all well and good, but I prefer to see singers and bands who have to make it the hard way-gigging in small clubs, trying to get a record deal-getting the chance to be famous. For me, they've earned it more because it's been much tougher for them.
The Brits are becoming more biased to their own year upon year, however you may dress it up.
It seems too me that recording scouts have become lazy

they would rather have their 'Talent' served up to them by a school who TEACHES their pupils what they think the public wants i.e(record companies) or sitting on the internet looking on youtube / myspace/ facebook instead of going to gigs and seeing/hearing what an act can do with hard work and determination

It seems to me that without mummy and daddy bankrolling them and helping them get into this school , would they be around right now or would they have had to give up their dream as so many other talented kids have had to
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Old 21-02-2008, 17:47
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What I thought was really weird was that the show appeared to be implying that it's such a 'cool' thing for music talent to come from stage school.
It felt as though the Brit School nominees had been briefed and encouraged by somebody beforehand to promote the Brit School when they give their winner's speech.

As though it's somehow better than music which has come from the underground.

I found that a bit more cynical than just the promotion of the school itself.
It was like they were implying that music industry approved talent is better than anything else that comes from the grass roots.

Woo, music industry backed stage school 'artists'....Let's ROCK.
Because these kids are taught in a school that gets its funding from record companies

they mould these kids into what they think we want, they dont want kids who may 'backfire' on them

those that lose their way or go 'off the rails' are brought back into the fold to be mended to make sure their investment doesnt go t*ts up and for future recoding deals
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Old 21-02-2008, 17:51
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Isn't the Brits school free?
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Old 21-02-2008, 18:06
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British music has been poor for a long-time now. Gone are the wonderful days of Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, Sabbath...pretty much the only good music coming out of the UK right now is Muse, and the fact that Iron Maiden are still going strong.
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Old 21-02-2008, 18:12
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Isn't the Brits school free?
dont know but a few of the mummy's and daddy's paid for demos and advertising
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Old 21-02-2008, 18:20
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It amazes how many people still sit on the edge of their seats hoping these awards will throw up some deserved awards.

The Brits are worse than the oscars for that. In fact the Brits have always been a steaming pile of dog do!
Was not that way in the past. There is some quality here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIT_Awards
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Old 21-02-2008, 20:19
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dont know but a few of the mummy's and daddy's paid for demos and advertising
I think its state funded but you have to pass an exam to gain entry. But its also funded by The Brits itself and has been for some time, but its only in the last few years that there has been the bias towards the school and its ex-pupils.

I have no gripes with someone like Amy Winehouse winning, she has talent. But Kate Nash? Seriousley?! Last night was the first time we have ever seen such bias directed towards the school. It was a disgrace in fact.

Even Matthew Wright had a bit of a rant about it this morning on his show. I think the Brits are now irrelevent because of this. Some may argue they have been for years.
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Old 21-02-2008, 20:40
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Britschool, Golden circles at major concerts, Producers winning best male at the Brits and Best live act going to a band that don;t play anything.

Rock'n'roll!
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Old 21-02-2008, 22:53
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is this the way things are going to be from now on ?, if it is should we change the name of the Brits to the Londons?
it doesn't stand for britain, it stands for "british record industry trust".


dont know but a few of the mummy's and daddy's paid for demos and advertising
i live incredibly close to the brit school and looking around at students, they are certainly not all rolling in it. they don't all look like wealthy middle class kids. not that you can tell just by looking at someone, obviously. it may be a big club of backslapping but one thing the brit school does provide is free education in performing arts, which a lot of people wouldn't be able to afford otherwise. no other school in the country does that to such a specialised level. and it doesn't just churn out wannabe popstars, some of their staff and teaching facilities are actually very good, and a lot of people come out to go to work in the technology side of things etc. i couldnt care less about the brit awards, they are largely irrelavent now. and i hate identikit singer/songwriters. but i think there is too much hype about the brit school and its famous alumni, and that gives people a false impression.
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