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Old 22-02-2008, 19:20
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I just can't get over some of these awards, they are just plain wrong and I can't account for them any other way.

These are supposed to be awards for the big success stories of the previous year, but the recipients just don't stack up.

How can Kylie win best international female with 1 under performing single and flop album against the massive success of Rhianna and Alicia Keyes?

How does Kate Nash deserve best female award against the massive record breaking national and global success of Leona?

How does Adele, someone who was a complete non entity in 2007 manage to win an award?

How does this stack up with previous years?

I don't who may of lost out in the past, but the Craig David debacle springs to mind.
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Old 22-02-2008, 19:34
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no I dont as everytime a show or contest, award etc has a winner that is not of diffrent race a fan comes along and plays the race card.
You only have to look at the Big Brother, X factor etc over the years to see that it is the same all the time.

As for Adele her award was for up and coming not for who was great in 2007.

Also does its say in the Brits that it is for who sold the most single/album????????
As IMO I dont think it does, I think its about who worked really hard in all departments in music eg singing, playing and writing.
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Old 22-02-2008, 20:04
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I just can't get over some of these awards, they are just plain wrong and I can't account for them any other way.

These are supposed to be awards for the big success stories of the previous year, but the recipients just don't stack up.

How can Kylie win best international female with 1 under performing single and flop album against the massive success of Rhianna and Alicia Keyes?

How does Kate Nash deserve best female award against the massive record breaking national and global success of Leona?

How does Adele, someone who was a complete non entity in 2007 manage to win an award?

How does this stack up with previous years?

I don't who may of lost out in the past, but the Craig David debacle springs to mind.
I dont think its racist in the slighest. I did think it was a bit misguided to give kylie the award over Rihanna- that to me was the big mistake of the night, however i felt that was more to do with kylie's aura or surving cancer and coming back to music at all.

as for craig david- i remember thinking that he shouldnt have been nominated even, because his music was very bland.

On a side note, i do think you should use the word racism as freely, because in this society it is a very very serious accusation, one that can taint an event or programme forever- the fact is there is no reason to think that there is any underlying racism in the awards, just because some awards did not go the way you expected it to
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Old 22-02-2008, 20:52
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I just can't get over some of these awards, they are just plain wrong and I can't account for them any other way.

These are supposed to be awards for the big success stories of the previous year, but the recipients just don't stack up.

How can Kylie win best international female with 1 under performing single and flop album against the massive success of Rhianna and Alicia Keyes?

How does Kate Nash deserve best female award against the massive record breaking national and global success of Leona?

How does Adele, someone who was a complete non entity in 2007 manage to win an award?

How does this stack up with previous years?

I don't who may of lost out in the past, but the Craig David debacle springs to mind.
Are the Brit awards racist? Don't be ridiculous. Just because the people you wanted to win didn't hardly justifies such a slur.

Oh, and Craig David didn't win because he's almost as boring as Leona.
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Old 22-02-2008, 21:27
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To use the word 'racist' etc. actually CAUSES racism, and shouldn't be bandied around everytime someone's favourite doesn't win something. Some PEOPLE win and some PEOPLE lose, and that's called - LIFE!
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Old 22-02-2008, 21:33
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The awards are not given for the biggest number of sales - just as Oscars aren't for highest grossing films. The number of records sold isn't the point.
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Old 22-02-2008, 21:39
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I just can't get over some of these awards, they are just plain wrong and I can't account for them any other way.

These are supposed to be awards for the big success stories of the previous year, but the recipients just don't stack up.

How can Kylie win best international female with 1 under performing single and flop album against the massive success of Rhianna and Alicia Keyes?

How does Kate Nash deserve best female award against the massive record breaking national and global success of Leona?

How does Adele, someone who was a complete non entity in 2007 manage to win an award?

How does this stack up with previous years?

I don't who may of lost out in the past, but the Craig David debacle springs to mind.
No, most certainly not. Leona didn't win two awards because they were voted for by the public and her RTV show past probably didn't help.

I think Rihanna was robbed, Leona should have at least picked up "Best Female" but it's worth noting that Adele won the critics choice award which was (I think) intended for an up and coming artist.

Just because you can't find a reason to explain a decision is no reason to start throwing around this term.

Above all, the Brits are a party to boost the industry. They aren't the Grammy's, just a laugh and the awards aren't that big a deal. It's not as though The Darkness thrived after their awards and I doubt Lily Allen or Leona will be in any way negatively affected.
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Old 22-02-2008, 21:52
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I found the Brits to be talentist, What have they got against people with genuine talent?
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Old 22-02-2008, 22:00
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I just can't get over some of these awards, they are just plain wrong and I can't account for them any other way.

These are supposed to be awards for the big success stories of the previous year, but the recipients just don't stack up.

How can Kylie win best international female with 1 under performing single and flop album against the massive success of Rhianna and Alicia Keyes?

How does Kate Nash deserve best female award against the massive record breaking national and global success of Leona?

How does Adele, someone who was a complete non entity in 2007 manage to win an award?

How does this stack up with previous years?

I don't who may of lost out in the past, but the Craig David debacle springs to mind.
Not racist, just labelist!!

Winning a Brit is all about being on the right record label!!
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Old 22-02-2008, 23:01
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I just can't get over some of these awards, they are just plain wrong and I can't account for them any other way.

These are supposed to be awards for the big success stories of the previous year, but the recipients just don't stack up.

How can Kylie win best international female with 1 under performing single and flop album against the massive success of Rhianna and Alicia Keyes?

How does Kate Nash deserve best female award against the massive record breaking national and global success of Leona?

How does Adele, someone who was a complete non entity in 2007 manage to win an award?

How does this stack up with previous years?

I don't who may of lost out in the past, but the Craig David debacle springs to mind.
Just because Leona didnt win anything doesnt mean the Brits are racist
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Old 22-02-2008, 23:11
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You mean racist like the MOBOs?
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Old 22-02-2008, 23:11
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i dont think they are racist. they are voted for by the industry which means it's just a big music industry love in, whoever is the darling of the industry will get in. a large chunck of mobo awards go to black artists but people don't make a fuss about that. they are both crap, in my opinion.
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Old 23-02-2008, 00:13
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well if the brits are so are the mobo's!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 23-02-2008, 00:18
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well if the brits are so are the mobo's!!!!!!!!!!!
Why? black and white artists win MOBO's.

I think Amy has won.
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Old 23-02-2008, 00:21
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Why? black and white artists win MOBO's.

I think Amy has won.
White artists win awards at the mobo's.......Do they?
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Old 23-02-2008, 00:25
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no I dont as everytime a show or contest, award etc has a winner that is not of diffrent race a fan comes along and plays the race card.
You only have to look at the Big Brother, X factor etc over the years to see that it is the same all the time.

As for Adele her award was for up and coming not for who was great in 2007.

Also does its say in the Brits that it is for who sold the most single/album????????
As IMO I dont think it does, I think its about who worked really hard in all departments in music eg singing, playing and writing.
No - its critics choice. How it can it be someone who's up and coming if they have never released anything?

How can someone win an award for doing zilch, if so, I demand one for myself.
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Old 23-02-2008, 00:26
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No - its critics choice. How it can it be someone who's up and coming if they have never released anything?

How can someone win an award for doing zilch, if so, I demand one for myself.
for example jamelia!!!!!!!!
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Old 23-02-2008, 00:31
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I just can't get over some of these awards, they are just plain wrong and I can't account for them any other way.

These are supposed to be awards for the big success stories of the previous year, but the recipients just don't stack up.

How can Kylie win best international female with 1 under performing single and flop album against the massive success of Rhianna and Alicia Keyes?

How does Kate Nash deserve best female award against the massive record breaking national and global success of Leona?

How does Adele, someone who was a complete non entity in 2007 manage to win an award?

How does this stack up with previous years?

I don't who may of lost out in the past, but the Craig David debacle springs to mind.
I can't think that the Brits IS racist - I am quite happy to say when I think there is something amiss, but it doesn't strike me as being likely.

OK - so Leona deserved something (apart from worldwide success!), but that was more likely down to hatred of Simon Cowelll (a white guy).

the only 'racist' awards are likely to be the MOBOs - even though I am a big fan of many 'black' performers, I'm not sure the MOBOs are colour-blind.

For the record; my favourite music is either the blues of folk-rock, my favourite rock band is the Jimi Hendrix Experience, my favourite contemporary female vocalist is Beverley Knight and I think that the best ever jazz album is John Coltrane's "Blue Train" - both Miles Davis and Duke Ellington compete for some kind of most influence on jazz award and Stanley Jordan is the most innovative guitarist I know. Not only that but my favourite singles are (1) All Along the Watchtower by Hendrix (2) Move on Up by Curtis Mayfield and (3) (something inside) so Strong by Labi Siffre.

with that pedigree of taste I feel qualified to have an opinion, untainted by musical racism and no, the Brits don't 'feel' racist.

Kylie = sympathy for a cancer survivor
Nash = disdain for Simon Cowell
Adele = what should she have won?

I didn't agree with the votes, but that's democracy for you.

FGS - Radio 1 listeners voted...
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Old 23-02-2008, 00:51
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2MILLWALL I'm sure white artists have won at the mobos, I seem to remember reading one year that Chrsitina Aguilera and Justin Timberlake won MOBOS? I may be wrong but sure I did!

Anyhoo, all this racism nonsense is really uncalled for! Please, why is it someone always has to play the race card its really unnecessary. Although I agree to some extent about Kylie winning an award (I feel Rihanna deserved it) it doesn't mean voters are discriminating!

Rant Over!!!!
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Old 23-02-2008, 01:05
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i felt that was more to do with kylie's aura or surving cancer and coming back to music at all.
Brits are for music, It's not the cancer awards.

Its not Rihannas fault she doesn't have cancer.
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Old 23-02-2008, 01:15
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Brits are for music, It's not the cancer awards.

Its not Rihannas fault she doesn't have cancer.
True, but in all fairness is it really anybody's fault they get cancer? NO!

At the end of the day whats done is done and we can't change the way the voting went so there is no point making stupid remarks like 'its not the cancer awards' because you could cause offence to others and risk making yourself look immature
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Old 23-02-2008, 01:35
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White artists win awards at the mobo's.......Do they?
I would bet in saying more white artists have won Mobo's then black artists have won brits.

And I do have a tiny inclining that the Brits are slightly race driven, but they are more "Indie rock n roll" orientated - two genres that black or Urban artists arn't that popular in.

Kylie winning is a smack in the face not only to the other acts but Rihanna in particular. The girl has done nothing but promote and perform for the past year. She had a number one for 10 weeks, had the biggest (or second biggest) single of the year, completeled a worldwide tour with SEVERAL dates around the UK, had a string of top 10 hits with her album. She's even changed from her traditional RnB sound to become more diverse and try a different sound. I don't think no other American artist at the moment is giving so much attention to EU countries - UK in particular - when it comes to performances and TV appearances.

Kylie on the other hand has had one flop album and a mediocore single which is nothing different from what she has done previously...oh and cancer. I don't want to by un-sympathtic but she won by the sympathy and nostalgic vote.
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Old 23-02-2008, 01:44
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for the record, Adele won the Critics Choice award which was for a panels choice for 2008. That means that it's only gonna be given to a non entity in 2007
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Old 23-02-2008, 05:59
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It's ludicrous to suggest that because a couple of black singers didn't win anything, that the Brits are racist.

Does that mean this word is to be bandied about every time someone white wins something?

Of the winners, Kylie is Australian, Foo Fighters are American, Amy Winehouse is Jewish, Kanye West is a black American, Mika is Lebanese and Mark Ronson is English/American Jewish. That's quite a varied selection of nations/races.
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Old 23-02-2008, 09:58
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Of course when Leona won X Factor the "anti-racists" said she was mixed-race so she didn't really count as black.

Now she hasn't won at Brits, all of a sudden she's black again.

Definitions are being stretched in order to prop up this increasingly ludicrous "blacks don't win" theory.
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