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Leona Lewis - Better in Time
Keep hearing this on the radio, at first I thought it was a bit of a lacklustre follow up to her last single, but the more I hear it the more it grows on me. In fact I am familiar with the lyrics now, very catchy. Still can't get enough of Bleeding Love though.
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I love the single version of Better in Time (as opposed to the album version) , it makes the song far more edgier
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Yep, Footprints in the Sand will also be released as well as a B-side called You Bring Me Down which is an amazing track.
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'Leona Lewis - Better in Time'
I thought that was a hopeful prediction. |
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I'm with you, Shifty. She can't get much worse.
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'Leona Lewis - Better in Time'
I thought that was a hopeful prediction. ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Yep, Footprints in the Sand will also be released as well as a B-side called You Bring Me Down which is an amazing track.
![]() Should be on youtube ![]() here it is, amazing i love it..she wrote this and it should of been on the album as its better than a few of the tracks on spirit. |
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I'm listening to it now on my ipod I really like it
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Sounds like something En Vogue would have done back in the 90s.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2srkkzX2UI
here it is, amazing i love it..she wrote this and it should of been on the album as its better than a few of the tracks on spirit. ![]() Yeah, right. Sure she wrote it. ![]() Simon Cowell: "Can you do a sort of 'Back to Black' again,..but do it more upbeat and poppy, as though it was sung by Destiny's Child in the late 1990s?" Salaam: "Sure, no problem". Listen to both songs and compare: Leona Lewis - Bring me down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2srkkzX2UI Amy Winehouse - Back to Black: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aygAu1x2uQo Are you seriously saying that she actually wrote this considering that both songs are now right in front of you and can be compared? Both have that plinky plonky piano riff that runs throughout the song which is just slightly altered for Leona's song by adding a quick roll to it and pitching it up a bit. Both have almost the exact same chord progressions, and key changes running through them as well. Just play the first 20 or so seconds. They are almost identical except that Leona's song is more upbeat with the piano lead, then bang on 15 seconds they both open up with their vocals. Salaam Remi has so obviously been asked by Simon Cowell to take 'Back to Black' and adapt it to a Destiny's Child type sound for Leona. Cowell just looks to be trying to cash in on the Amy Winehouse thing and appear artistically 'credible'. That song is so obviously adapted from 'Back to Black' I don't know how you could even have the gall to tell us that Leona Lewis wrote that. ![]() Open both songs in two browser windows, and flick between them both, then you can't fail to see where this song came from. |
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^ I'm failing to see how the production of the track in terms of how it sounds connotes that Leona didn't write it.
I'll be the first to say it sounds like "Back to Black", I actually think I was the first to say it on another forum. But why has that got anything to do with who wrote it? The lyrics are completely different.
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Lovely song, lovely lady
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I have to agree with Alrightmate there. The music does sound a lot like something The Winehouse would do.
Songs like this are why popular music is stagnant. It's by no means an appalling song, but neither is it great. I don't like it at all, though. It really does sound uber-dated... it just lacks anything special. |
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I have to agree with Alrightmate there. The music does sound a lot like something The Winehouse would do.
Songs like this are why popular music is stagnant. It's by no means an appalling song, but neither is it great. I don't like it at all, though. It really does sound uber-dated... it just lacks anything special. |
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That's because it's by Salaam Remi who produced a lot of Amy Winehouse's album. He's not an exclusive producer to Amy though, he does work with others too lol. Obviously his stuff is gonna sound similar just like other producers like Stargate do.
In this case it's not so much the sound,...but the actual song itself, structure, chord progressions, key changes, instrumentation, most of what remains pretty much intact from the original song bar a few slight tweaks. 'Working with others' implies that he would be doing something new for that act. Not transplanting a previous song he did with a previous act to the new act, with a song which is which is still very recent. That's less 'working with others, but more doing the same song again but slightly adjusted for that new act. It does make me wonder about what input Amy Winehouse herself had in her own songs though. Was it all Salaam Remi and Mark Ronson? I do feel guilty for wondering, but I can't help wondering about that now. |
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"....and I go back to black"...Oops, sorry, wrong song.
![]() Yeah, right. Sure she wrote it. ![]() Simon Cowell: "Can you do a sort of 'Back to Black' again,..but do it more upbeat and poppy, as though it was sung by Destiny's Child in the late 1990s?" Salaam: "Sure, no problem". Listen to both songs and compare: Leona Lewis - Bring me down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2srkkzX2UI Amy Winehouse - Back to Black: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aygAu1x2uQo Are you seriously saying that she actually wrote this considering that both songs are now right in front of you and can be compared? Both have that plinky plonky piano riff that runs throughout the song which is just slightly altered for Leona's song by adding a quick roll to it and pitching it up a bit. Both have almost the exact same chord progressions, and key changes running through them as well. Just play the first 20 or so seconds. They are almost identical except that Leona's song is more upbeat with the piano lead, then bang on 15 seconds they both open up with their vocals. Salaam Remi has so obviously been asked by Simon Cowell to take 'Back to Black' and adapt it to a Destiny's Child type sound for Leona. Cowell just looks to be trying to cash in on the Amy Winehouse thing and appear artistically 'credible'. That song is so obviously adapted from 'Back to Black' I don't know how you could even have the gall to tell us that Leona Lewis wrote that. ![]() Open both songs in two browser windows, and flick between them both, then you can't fail to see where this song came from. Again yes the production is similar because the same person produced those tracks. |
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It's not just 'similar' it is a regurgitated version of 'Back to Black'.
In this case it's not so much the sound,...but the actual song itself, structure, chord progressions, key changes, instrumentation, most of what remains pretty much intact from the original song bar a few slight tweaks. 'Working with others' implies that he would be doing something new for that act. Not transplanting a previous song he did with a previous act to the new act, with a song which is which is still very recent. That's less 'working with others, but more doing the same song again but slightly adjusted for that new act. It does make me wonder about what input Amy Winehouse herself had in her own songs though. Was it all Salaam Remi and Mark Ronson? I do feel guilty for wondering, but I can't help wondering about that now. |
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It's not just 'similar' it is a regurgitated version of 'Back to Black'.
In this case it's not so much the sound,...but the actual song itself, structure, chord progressions, key changes, instrumentation, most of what remains pretty much intact from the original song bar a few slight tweaks. 'Working with others' implies that he would be doing something new for that act. Not transplanting a previous song he did with a previous act to the new act, with a song which is which is still very recent. That's less 'working with others, but more doing the same song again but slightly adjusted for that new act. It does make me wonder about what input Amy Winehouse herself had in her own songs though. Was it all Salaam Remi and Mark Ronson? I do feel guilty for wondering, but I can't help wondering about that now. And they didn't even see fit to put it on the album. |
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Obviously you dont understand the difference between writing lryics and producing, Salaam remi is a producer so any of the stuff he works on or producers will have a saleen remi type of production, he can alter the lyrics to fit in with his production of the song. I dont understand what your getting at, leona has a writing credit to this song, who are you to say she didnt write much of it, how do you know she didnt?- infact the lyrics sound quite similar to her some of her twlight album. Sounds like your just splitting hairs trying to find things to criticise her about.
Again yes the production is similar because the same person produced those tracks. And yet you are calling me a 'snob'? I might be mistaken, but I get the feeling that you might be a Leona fan. ![]() I listened to that Leona Lewis song and I immediately got the feeling that I knew it. A second later I recognised it as 'Back to Black'. This isn't 'similar sounding'...it is 'Back to Black'. I'm not splitting hairs, somebody posted that Leona Lewis wrote this song and that it is 'amazing'. That is misleading, so I simply responded to such a claim by posting links to both tracks. I don't even know how you can deny it and try to pass it off as just 'similar sounding', when both songs are there side by side. I've just said in a previous post that it's not so much the sound which is similar, because the sound is more late 1990s Destiny's Child or En Vogue than Amy Winehouse, but that it's a reworked version of a song popularised by somebody else. When somebody describes a song by an act as 'amazing' and actually written by that act,...then expect that somebody may not agree and may possibly question that 'amazingness' if they know that it's a tweaked version of a song already associated with somebody else. Normally when people say that a song has been written by somebody then somebody may rightly presume that they are actually talking about the song. Not just the lyrics. The song, the music, the musical essence which makes people want to hear it and want to own it. I honestly don't think that people buy songs on the strength of the lyrics alone, I think people buy the music first and foremost, and then maybe look into the lyrics. I very much doubt that Leona would sell records just based on her lyric writing skills. So when people post to profess the amazing talent of Leona Lewis and her ability to write songs, you're going to get people questioning that amazing talent when in fact all they mean is that she scribbled a few words down. If people were more honest and credited the actual song writer who wrote the music for her then fair enough. If somebody professes the amazing talent of Leona Lewis then it's going to be questioned and put under scrutiny. If people didn't mislead other people so much by implying that she writes her own songs and that it's her own creative ability which sells her records, then she wouldn't get so much scrutiny. Some people are honest, but others have a tendency to credit Leona for what she isn't even responsible for. I think most people will be able to see that Leona's song is just a reworked 'Back to Black'. From there they can judge for themselves whether she's an amazing talent or not, or whether her song writing abilities are really worth writing home about or not. |
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Normally when people say that a song has been written by somebody then somebody may rightly presume that they are actually talking about the song. Not just the lyrics. The song, the music, the musical essence which makes people want to hear it and want to own it.
I doubt that. When someone says it's been written, chances are high they mean the lyrics and I've never known anyone to think they mean other aspects of the song. Quote:
So when people post to profess the amazing talent of Leona Lewis and her ability to write songs, you're going to get people questioning that amazing talent when in fact all they mean is that she scribbled a few words down.
You know for a fact that all she did was scribble a few words down? Come on now, you know no more than anyone else on this forum. She could have had huge input or a tiny amount but we shall never know and people shouldn't act like they do either way.Again I have this question to you: why does the musical style, production and sound of the song imply in anyway about Leona's writing skills on this specific track? All it shows is that Salaam Remi replicates some of his beats over songs, nothing to do with how the song was written. (And in case I'm "misleading" anyone there, I mean the lyrics.) edit - And we've totally gone off-topic as this is meant to be about "Better In Time".
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Better In Time is very Alicia Keys. *waits for Alrightmate to get his YouTube videos out*
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Better In Time is very Alicia Keys. *waits for Alrightmate to get his YouTube videos out*
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I doubt that. When someone says it's been written, chances are high they mean the lyrics and I've never known anyone to think they mean other aspects of the song.
If you have no music to go with it it's just a poem. |
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Are you mad? Writing a song is NOT just writing lyrics.
If you have no music to go with it it's just a poem. |
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I'll be the first to say it sounds like "Back to Black", I actually think I was the first to say it on another forum. But why has that got anything to do with who wrote it? The lyrics are completely different.