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Old 02-03-2008, 11:48
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Honestly, you would not believe the amount of time I spend dashing to London to a meeting in a given restaurant in a back street - it's what the iPhone was made for! I am a freelance so I am often in a different place or city every day, so it's a wonderful boon. In addition, I despise flash photography and take my EOS 350D everywhere I might want to take photos, with 2 lenses! I guess the iPhone was kind of tailor-made for me, hehe.

Well you ain't no freelance photographer if you use a budget SLR like the 350D that's for certain.

An amateur trying to play with the big boys I'd say, a bit like Apple with the iphone.

what's the point in a fantastic browser if you can only connect to 2G when mobile.
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Old 02-03-2008, 12:08
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Well you ain't no freelance photographer if you use a budget SLR like the 350D that's for certain.

An amateur trying to play with the big boys I'd say, a bit like Apple with the iphone.

what's the point in a fantastic browser if you can only connect to 2G when mobile.
Its not "2G" though, its EDGE. Quite a lot faster than GPRS.

Its not super fast but on average i'd say pages takes between 8-10 seconds to load. Less if its an iPhone optimised site like Google Reader, iphone.facebook.com and digg.com/iphone. So i'd say the "whats the point" factor really doesn't apply.

In real terms, a general UMTS 3G phone connects at around 2x the speed of a nice class EDGE mobile. Now when you factor in the superior browser of the iPhone at rendering, navigation and more screen real estate, that difference in speed really starts to narrow.

So to conclude, EDGE is the bottle neck, for sure. But for me its a better bottle neck to have than the browser on the N-series phones, or having to navigate with a joystick. That my friend, is the definition of amateur.
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Old 02-03-2008, 13:09
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What's the point in having dedicated sub forums if people just post everything all over the place? Get a grip, maybe you'd like to ask everyone who subscribes to Sky HD what they like for lunch next time too?


Lock me up i'm guilty your honor for posting in the wrong forum:yawn::yawn::yawn:

OH AND WHAT DOES EVERYONE LIKE FOR LUNCH? SKY_MAN WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, BUT HE WANTS ME TO ASK EVERYONE.
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Old 02-03-2008, 14:05
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Its not "2G" though, its EDGE. Quite a lot faster than GPRS.

Its not super fast but on average i'd say pages takes between 8-10 seconds to load. Less if its an iPhone optimised site like Google Reader, iphone.facebook.com and digg.com/iphone. So i'd say the "whats the point" factor really doesn't apply.

In real terms, a general UMTS 3G phone connects at around 2x the speed of a nice class EDGE mobile. Now when you factor in the superior browser of the iPhone at rendering, navigation and more screen real estate, that difference in speed really starts to narrow.

So to conclude, EDGE is the bottle neck, for sure. But for me its a better bottle neck to have than the browser on the N-series phones, or having to navigate with a joystick. That my friend, is the definition of amateur.
Erm, you could argue the definition of amateur is someone that proclaims a technology that sits on 2nd Generation technology is not 2nd generation technology.

Now if you wanna argue about this fill your boots, but i am an RF engineer of 8 years, spanning TACS, GSM and UMTS standards, for the biggest mobile telecoms company on the planet.
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Old 02-03-2008, 14:15
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Erm, you could argue the definition of amateur is someone that proclaims a technology that sits on 2nd Generation technology is not 2nd generation technology.

Now if you wanna argue about this fill your boots, but i am an RF engineer of 8 years, spanning TACS, GSM and UMTS standards, for the biggest mobile telecoms company on the planet.
It is EDGE for a reason. If you spent an hour browsing some websites and things you would then want to listen to your iPod only to find the battery has had it. The iPhone is a phone, web browser but also an excellent iPod. There had to be some comprimises and people expect to be able to have the iPod functions witht he phone, not a phone with iPod functions you can't use because the battery is dead.
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Old 02-03-2008, 14:32
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Erm, you could argue the definition of amateur is someone that proclaims a technology that sits on 2nd Generation technology is not 2nd generation technology.

Now if you wanna argue about this fill your boots, but i am an RF engineer of 8 years, spanning TACS, GSM and UMTS standards, for the biggest mobile telecoms company on the planet.
The point I am trying to make is you are arguing about speed of the connection.

I am arguing about the functionality and speed of the browser.

And as somebody of experience, you must know that Class 4+ EDGE with sufficient time slots is not far off base implementation UMTS in terms of speed.

You can't define speed based on "2G" and "3G" because of the huge variables within each family.

And at the same time, you can't define speed because of the huge variations between browsers and the power of the mobile phone itself.

- layout engine
- speed at running scripts (DHTML, table manipulation etc)
- navigation (if it takes you 5 seconds to go to the link at the bottom of a page, then that eliminates your connection speed advantage with 3G)
- effective use of cache
- use of tabs (having 5 pages load in the background while you are reading a page for instance)
- processor speed
- amount of RAM available

So to sum up, basing the quality of the browsing experience on solely ambiguous "2G" and "3G" mantras is amateur. When looking at the above factors outside of raw connection speed, the iPhone is the big boy.
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Old 02-03-2008, 16:09
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Well you ain't no freelance photographer if you use a budget SLR like the 350D that's for certain.

An amateur trying to play with the big boys I'd say, a bit like Apple with the iphone.

what's the point in a fantastic browser if you can only connect to 2G when mobile.
That's very harsh. I've sold many a picture taken on a 400D, sure it doesn't have all the features of a 30D but actually it has a higher mega pixel!

The 5D and the 1D's are too expensive for anyone but the true professionals who really have the income to be able to afford the expense. A 400D or the 350D is good enough to get some great shots, as they have great sensors in them, however the image sensor in a 400D is actually slightly better quality than the one in the 30D. I'm not sure about the sensor in the 350D though.
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Old 02-03-2008, 21:21
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Canon EOS450D also out about now with Digic III and more megapixels.

Back on the phone EDGE is good for speed where available.

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That's very harsh. I've sold many a picture taken on a 400D, sure it doesn't have all the features of a 30D but actually it has a higher mega pixel!

The 5D and the 1D's are too expensive for anyone but the true professionals who really have the income to be able to afford the expense. A 400D or the 350D is good enough to get some great shots, as they have great sensors in them, however the image sensor in a 400D is actually slightly better quality than the one in the 30D. I'm not sure about the sensor in the 350D though.
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Old 03-03-2008, 18:46
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What you could have done is opened your eyes and noticed a multitude of other iPhone threads and put your query in one of them.
Not sure what this big hangup is with having multiple iPhone threads. Personally I would rather see them separated, so for example, when I subscribe to a thread because it concerns the iPhone and XYZ (say) then I don't get an email about all the other sub topics I am not interested in.

BTW Ricardoforce you will strain your eyes if you keep rolling them
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Old 03-03-2008, 18:48
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Not sure what this big hangup is with having multiple iPhone threads. Personally I would rather see them separated, so for example, when I subscribe to a thread because it concerns the iPhone and XYZ (say) then I don't get an email about all the other sub topics I am not interested in.

BTW Ricardoforce you will strain your eyes if you keep rolling them

As opposed to straining my wrist if I shared the views of the iPhone with some around here.....
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Old 03-03-2008, 18:52
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As opposed to straining my wrist if I shared the views of the iPhone with some around here.....
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Old 03-03-2008, 18:57
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Not sure what this big hangup is with having multiple iPhone threads.)
i think it's just a hangup with iphone in general for ricardodaforce!
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Old 03-03-2008, 18:59
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i think it's just a hangup with iphone in general for ricardodaforce!
We just don't need so many threads about an average phone in a frilly dress do we now?
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Old 03-03-2008, 20:00
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Richardforce do you own the forum or why do you care if their is 50 threads on the iphone. Their is a lot of members who do want to discuss this and after all it is a free forum and I appreciate that not everyone wants to chat or know about it.

Why don't you ignore the posts about iphone and read and respond to the ones that you prefer to look at.

If their was a thread about something that I don't care about I would not reply or get involved unless I was interested.

It hijacks a thread and takes it away from the original point which I made.

If you hate the phone or think it is talked about too much then just ignore posts about it.
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