Robin did deduct marks for it.

Your probably right.

Is that why the professionals suffer injuries too . Your logic fails.

on the basis of what shes done on the ice yes,i agree!i just find her style very "stepford wives"calculating and cynical,,,no warmth,no connection!also she wouldnt keep injuring herself if she wasnt so desperate to outshine chris!
i just find chris and gareths performances much warmer and enjoyable to watch..but i concur she does deserve to be in the final.

They do suffer your right, wasn't my logic thou i just answered someone.

You agreed with someone which would imply that if the person you agreed with has faulty logic then you do as well on this issue.

Each to their own... It's only ever really Suzanne and Chris' routines that stand out for me, but I can see Gareth's improvement. Connection... not sure really- I connect with her performances because I enjoy them. She has a definite connection with Matt- I think that showed in the 'Walk on By' routine... That's the one criticism I'd have of Chris and Frankie- sometimes they're at completely different ends of the rink and there's only one of them in shot!! Not their fault though- they've been choreographed that way...

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Oh whatever its a flaming show.

I will agree with that person that someone who has practice of doing something, is far less likely to suffer than someone who has not.

Complexity of routine is almost certainly why professionals suffer injuries too. They are naturally very competetive and almost certainly stretch themselves to the limit on numerous occasions, so it does follow logically. Now, if Chris is a better skater to start with and Suzanne is trying harder in order to reach the same standard, then it is logical she will be suffering more injuries. QED. No need for rolleyes at all! Your attempts at slamming others' logic would have been more credible if you had taken into account all of the necessary premises.

Or maybe martians came down and used their cloaks of invisibility to disguise an attack on her because they are sick of listening to the stupid advantage debate.

She had an accident that was made worse because she has an old injury in that joint.

Have you actually seen some of the moves Chris has been doing? If he's not pushing himself then i don't know what pushing yourself is because working 12 hours a day then training for 2 after that is pretty extreme. Theres no logic to support that Suzanne is either trying harder than Chris or that she's only sustaining injuries because of her harder training. Those are your assumptions.

In my experience (kids skated in pairs competitions) the girls seem to get injured more than the guys because they are lifted and have to land from the lifts. Luckily we haven't had any 'falling while in a lift' injuries yet and I hope we never do as they can be horrendous. The guys can get hurt when they try to save the girl.

The girls can also suffer more strain injuries as they are pulled and swung around.

Some of the worst injuries in skating seem to happen from just standing around accidents. It can be much worse falling when stationary rather than while moving - as from moving you tend to slide which dissapates the forces. It looked like that may have contributed to Suzannes injury. Not that she was just standing around but she was coming straight down on the spot so all the force was on one place.

At least we haven't seen any of the celebs attempt throw jumps yet!

Totally agree with this. It's much easier to fall and slide along the ice then it is to land on one spot and have your foot crumple. Suzanne was unlucky in that she had a previous injury which couldn't take the strain.

I'm praying they don't do throw jumps. Much too dangerous for these skaters.

I'd love to see that , i think some may appear on the DOI tour because there are a lot of really good celeb skaters taking part this year, Kyran (now a professional),Clare,Bonnie,Chris,Suzanne and Gareth.

OP - purleese - she chipped a bone. That is not an excuse - it is a fact. Perhaps in your eyes this should not impede her; perhaps you are more knowledgeable than the medics who attended to her -I'd be very interested to hear of your expertise.

Never mind Suzanne, it seems Gareth is getting in on the act now what with his almost miraculous recovery from migraine so serious that his vision was disburbed. Anyone I know with a migraine that bad has taken days to feel human again. We even had the stutter thrown in for good measure as well tonight. Looking for a 'sympathy six' was he?

Oh well, never mind. He'll be beaten by the better man once more

Migranes are a personal thing, some people suffer more then others. I suppose he put on makeup to make himself look ill did he? -Sighs-

Too many cheap shots at the skaters tonight. It's almost unbearable again.

Well they (throw jumps) are not really an ice dance move (though nor is much of the rest of the stuff that's been done)

I think they will be too busy preparing routines to take time out to learn throw jumps.

Kyran is now doing a professional tour but it doesn't mean he is of a standard with most of the professionals. As you would expect his part is choreographed to show off his strengths - partner work and the body popping, though he did add 3 jump, salchow and loop. He was good but not like the ex- Olympians with double axels and amazing spins.

I would hope Chris would work on his axel for the show and his spin. I'm sure he could get a sit-spin going too and some pair/dance spins. Less chance of injury with those!

Sorry just realised this is almost completely OT!

Chris is a great skater but he really needs to do more close stuff with Frankie - Bolero is not about big jumps and skating away from your partner

QED indeed.

The point about Suzanne's routine was that it was tempered down as it was too dangerous and had proved to be so twice. She had a move in it which brought her skates up in line with her partner's eye and she then had to get out of an inverted position and turn through 360 degrees - in the course of which she did her ankle in. The original version was presumably even harder than what we saw. There shouldn't have been that level of danger in the first place. There was no need for it - Zaraah was doing nothing like that degree of danger or difficulty and was only in danger of being hit on the head by her hula whilst the female pros didn't have males who could lift something that dangerous. The only reason it was there was that someone decided to give Suzanne the chair, the chair alone required someone to perform upside down if they were not just going to sit on it and Suzanne got a difficult routine to try and get her mark nearer to Chris's.

Lucky enough not to have them but do have similar visual effects without the headaches and I can confirm you can't walk let alone skate when your vision is affected - bit difficult when you have coils of lights unwinding and spinning in your vision.

I can’t believe how some of you are going on about her injuries. Its sound like some of you think she did them on purpose.

All of them have had injuries happen at some point and all of them have been played up on TV. Take Chris and Frankie when he hit her head on the ice. Linda with her foot, Aggie with her head. Michael and his leg. They have all done it and ITV has played it up. Yes Suzanne may have had a few more but so what its not her fault its being played up its ITV so start blaming them instead of trying to make Suzanne look bad.

Suzanne gets injured more because she is brave enough to push herself harder than any of the other celebrities. Simple as that

I don't need it confirming thank you. I suffer from migraines regularly and for me personally they vary in degrees of severity. I agree it's very hard to move when the migraine is at it's peak, the slightest movement of the head sends shock-waves of pain however /some/ of them do ease off as the day progresses. I have to work through a very busy shift dealing with customers and I manage to work though migraines, although I'll be honest and say every minute is torture.

Greg on this morning mentioned something which could explain why it seems to be Suzanne seemingly getting more injuries.

He mentioned how people from a sports background are used to getting injuries but just get on with it without much fuss. With Suzanne's background maybe this attitude is less natural for her which leads to not only her making more of the injuries at the time thus giving ITV more footage to work with BUT also lets the accidents and injuries play on her mind more which results in other tiny mistakes being made which worsen an injury or cause more injuries (After all in sport one of the surest ways of getting a major injury is when you don't go in fully committed as your trying to protect another niggle)