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What will Suzanne's 'injury' be next week?
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Sloopy
03-03-2008
I don't think any of them should use injury or illness as an excuse; they can't get extra points just for turning up.

If they were that bad then they wouldn't be skating at all.
gilly16
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by Sloopy:
“I don't think any of them should use injury or illness as an excuse; they can't get extra points just for turning up.

If they were that bad then they wouldn't be skating at all.”

I,m sure I heard Robin Cousins on GMTV this morning saying that any injuries/illnesses cannot be taken into consideration, they have to judge purely on what they see.
FantasticMrFox
03-03-2008
The judges didn't take the injury into consideration. She got the second lowest score of the night....
gilly16
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by FantasticMrFox:
“The judges didn't take the injury into consideration. She got the second lowest score of the night.... ”

That,s what I was saying, the judges don,t take injuries into consideration therefore I don,t understand when it is implied the contestants use any injuries for sympathy and an excuse for not performing aswell as they can.
Tho I could have probably worded it better.
FantasticMrFox
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by gilly16:
“That,s what I was saying, the judges don,t take injuries into consideration therefore I don,t understand when it is implied the contestants use any injuries for sympathy and an excuse for not performing aswell as they can.
Tho I could have probably worded it better.”

Oh no that wasn't aimed at you personally but at a few posters who seemed to think she'd faked it to gain sympathy and recieve better marks. You can't fake a chipped bone, it hurts like hell.
Cally's mum
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by Sloopy:
“I don't think any of them should use injury or illness as an excuse; they can't get extra points just for turning up.

If they were that bad then they wouldn't be skating at all.”

To be fair, 'they don't use them as 'an excuse'. ITV do.. I don't know why this is so difficult for everyone to understand (it happens in the SCD sub forum as well, although in that instance it's the BBC).

It's a ploy to encourage viewers to tune in. It's not ever mentioned by the celebs themselves, if you notice. It is always 'sources close to the show' or 'reports from the set' or whatever in the written media and on TV it's actually Phil Schofield who's the worst offender (although ITV pay his wages. He's probably encouraged to make the most of these events).

The VT's are skewed by ITV. The celebs have no say over what goes in (or very little say) and it spices up the programme when there is the least little injury or hint of anything approaching an 'argument' between the couples (which has happened in the past both with this and SCD. People don't get on all the time, even with family and friends. Unfortunately, it is something that the TV companies know will bring in viewers - even casual ones).

From what I've seen, Suzanne has tried on every single occasion to play down the injuries she has received (or give them their proper place - which is to say, they don't mean a great deal. Obviously this latter one was more serious as she had to go to hospital).

I'm not sure what people want from the celebs - maybe they should all gang together and demand that ITV (who are presumably paying them for this, so are their employers), cease and desist showing 'negative' aspects and instead try to find something positive for the VT.

Unfortunately, 'positive' doesn't increase ratings, and ITV (and BBC) know this. (and that's the fault of society at large who have a salacious appetite for bad news about people).

As for Gareth's migraine, I really felt for him. I am a lifelong sufferer and my migraines have various levels - there is the 'not bad one' which I can work through (although I try to do telephone work rather than computer work as that exacerbates it) right through to the 'migraine from hell' which is the one where I can not move or speak, even my hair hurts and I have to take Immigran (which I try not to do unless it's bad, as they're expensive!) and lie in a darkened room under the duvet with a wet cloth across my forehead.

It is possible to have a migraine in the morning and be better in the afternoon (although feeling a bit wiped out!) - as I can attest to, especially, coincidentally, today where that actually happened to me!

If people want to start apportioning blame for the over the top reporting of the injuries, then they have every right, but at least choose the right target - ITV, not the celebs!

(Quite frankly, I don't like these 'anti' threads. I never have. It's one thing to criticise a skater (or, in the case of SCD, dancer)'s abilities, but to make personal comments regarding how fake the injuries are when there is absolutely no proof, or to state how 'hard' they look or how arrogant they are when we don't even know them and they've never done any harm to any of us personally - well, as I've said on numerous (far too many) occasions before, it says far more about the person stating this than it does about the celeb.

I'm not sure why people have to be like this. I have always found that if I don't like someone for some nebulous reason that I can't pin down then I simply don't say anything at all (which is not to say I haven't criticised certain people for their actions when their actions are actually reported all the time . But just watching someone on a dance/ice show and seeing the very skewed VTs is NOT knowing them and I personally find it very sad that we can't all just enjoy the show without all the very personal and unbased criticisms.
FantasticMrFox
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by Cally's mum:
“To be fair, 'they don't use them as 'an excuse'. ITV do.. I don't know why this is so difficult for everyone to understand (it happens in the SCD sub forum as well, although in that instance it's the BBC).

It's a ploy to encourage viewers to tune in. It's not ever mentioned by the celebs themselves, if you notice. It is always 'sources close to the show' or 'reports from the set' or whatever in the written media and on TV it's actually Phil Schofield who's the worst offender (although ITV pay his wages. He's probably encouraged to make the most of these events).

The VT's are skewed by ITV. The celebs have no say over what goes in (or very little say) and it spices up the programme when there is the least little injury or hint of anything approaching an 'argument' between the couples (which has happened in the past both with this and SCD. People don't get on all the time, even with family and friends. Unfortunately, it is something that the TV companies know will bring in viewers - even casual ones).

From what I've seen, Suzanne has tried on every single occasion to play down the injuries she has received (or give them their proper place - which is to say, they don't mean a great deal. Obviously this latter one was more serious as she had to go to hospital).

I'm not sure what people want from the celebs - maybe they should all gang together and demand that ITV (who are presumably paying them for this, so are their employers), cease and desist showing 'negative' aspects and instead try to find something positive for the VT.

Unfortunately, 'positive' doesn't increase ratings, and ITV (and BBC) know this. (and that's the fault of society at large who have a salacious appetite for bad news about people).

As for Gareth's migraine, I really felt for him. I am a lifelong sufferer and my migraines have various levels - there is the 'not bad one' which I can work through (although I try to do telephone work rather than computer work as that exacerbates it) right through to the 'migraine from hell' which is the one where I can not move or speak, even my hair hurts and I have to take Immigran (which I try not to do unless it's bad, as they're expensive!) and lie in a darkened room under the duvet with a wet cloth across my forehead.

It is possible to have a migraine in the morning and be better in the afternoon (although feeling a bit wiped out!) - as I can attest to, especially, coincidentally, today where that actually happened to me!

If people want to start apportioning blame for the over the top reporting of the injuries, then they have every right, but at least choose the right target - ITV, not the celebs!

(Quite frankly, I don't like these 'anti' threads. I never have. It's one thing to criticise a skater (or, in the case of SCD, dancer)'s abilities, but to make personal comments regarding how fake the injuries are when there is absolutely no proof, or to state how 'hard' they look or how arrogant they are when we don't even know them and they've never done any harm to any of us personally - well, as I've said on numerous (far too many) occasions before, it says far more about the person stating this than it does about the celeb.

I'm not sure why people have to be like this. I have always found that if I don't like someone for some nebulous reason that I can't pin down then I simply don't say anything at all (which is not to say I haven't criticised certain people for their actions when their actions are actually reported all the time . But just watching someone on a dance/ice show and seeing the very skewed VTs is NOT knowing them and I personally find it very sad that we can't all just enjoy the show without all the very personal and unbased criticisms.”

An excellent post and I agree on all counts.
Acashoonhay
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by tatotal:
“Place your bets right now? What will she be planning?”

Pathetic.

She's good. She doesn't need pretend injuries or sympathy.

I hope she wins, or Gareth, and stuffs it to Chris Fountain who always looks during the voting as if he thinks he's won it already.
Bluesowner
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by Cally's mum:
“To be fair, 'they don't use them as 'an excuse'. ITV do.. I don't know why this is so difficult for everyone to understand (it happens in the SCD sub forum as well, although in that instance it's the BBC).

It's a ploy to encourage viewers to tune in. It's not ever mentioned by the celebs themselves, if you notice. It is always 'sources close to the show' or 'reports from the set' or whatever in the written media and on TV it's actually Phil Schofield who's the worst offender (although ITV pay his wages. He's probably encouraged to make the most of these events).

The VT's are skewed by ITV. The celebs have no say over what goes in (or very little say) and it spices up the programme when there is the least little injury or hint of anything approaching an 'argument' between the couples (which has happened in the past both with this and SCD. People don't get on all the time, even with family and friends. Unfortunately, it is something that the TV companies know will bring in viewers - even casual ones).

From what I've seen, Suzanne has tried on every single occasion to play down the injuries she has received (or give them their proper place - which is to say, they don't mean a great deal. Obviously this latter one was more serious as she had to go to hospital).

I'm not sure what people want from the celebs - maybe they should all gang together and demand that ITV (who are presumably paying them for this, so are their employers), cease and desist showing 'negative' aspects and instead try to find something positive for the VT.

Unfortunately, 'positive' doesn't increase ratings, and ITV (and BBC) know this. (and that's the fault of society at large who have a salacious appetite for bad news about people).

As for Gareth's migraine, I really felt for him. I am a lifelong sufferer and my migraines have various levels - there is the 'not bad one' which I can work through (although I try to do telephone work rather than computer work as that exacerbates it) right through to the 'migraine from hell' which is the one where I can not move or speak, even my hair hurts and I have to take Immigran (which I try not to do unless it's bad, as they're expensive!) and lie in a darkened room under the duvet with a wet cloth across my forehead.

It is possible to have a migraine in the morning and be better in the afternoon (although feeling a bit wiped out!) - as I can attest to, especially, coincidentally, today where that actually happened to me!

If people want to start apportioning blame for the over the top reporting of the injuries, then they have every right, but at least choose the right target - ITV, not the celebs!

(Quite frankly, I don't like these 'anti' threads. I never have. It's one thing to criticise a skater (or, in the case of SCD, dancer)'s abilities, but to make personal comments regarding how fake the injuries are when there is absolutely no proof, or to state how 'hard' they look or how arrogant they are when we don't even know them and they've never done any harm to any of us personally - well, as I've said on numerous (far too many) occasions before, it says far more about the person stating this than it does about the celeb.

I'm not sure why people have to be like this. I have always found that if I don't like someone for some nebulous reason that I can't pin down then I simply don't say anything at all (which is not to say I haven't criticised certain people for their actions when their actions are actually reported all the time . But just watching someone on a dance/ice show and seeing the very skewed VTs is NOT knowing them and I personally find it very sad that we can't all just enjoy the show without all the very personal and unbased criticisms.”

Very well put Callys mum.

I can personally confirm what you have said about migraine as well!
yellowlabbie
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by Acashoonhay:
“Pathetic.

She's good. She doesn't need pretend injuries or sympathy.

I hope she wins, or Gareth, and stuffs it to Chris Fountain who always looks during the voting as if he thinks he's won it already.”


Me too
Nurse Betty
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by Acashoonhay:
“Pathetic.

She's good. She doesn't need pretend injuries or sympathy.

I hope she wins, or Gareth, and stuffs it to Chris Fountain who always looks during the voting as if he thinks he's won it already.”

I couldn't agree more. The smug, fat-faced g!t was the same on Just the Two of Us even though he couldn't sing more than two notes in tune.
Randomguy83
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by Nurse Betty:
“I couldn't agree more. The smug, fat-faced g!t was the same on Just the Two of Us even though he couldn't sing more than two notes in tune.”

Nonesense. Someone said yesterday that Chris would be ashed at some of the things his fans say but then looks at this post is an example of Suzanne fans doing the very same thing.
xTonix
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by Nurse Betty:
“I couldn't agree more. The smug, fat-faced g!t was the same on Just the Two of Us even though he couldn't sing more than two notes in tune.”


Do you have to be so nasty?

Actually I thought he had a good singing voice, he doesn't rock my boat but at his age he is going to be a bit big headed, I think fame has got to his head a bit, that doesn't make him a bad person.

calling him fat-faced is not nice, I wouldn't call him fat either, it's comments like that that make people develop eating disorders.

I think he is a good looking guy, my soon to be boyfriend looks abit like Chris lol.
Sloopy
03-03-2008
I just don't think there's any need to take it so seriously.

View the show for what it is - a bit of camp and colourful entertainment. No need for the histrionics.
savethecheerlea
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by Veri:
“She's taking the most risks.

So you also think the injuries are lies, presumably with collusion from the show, the hospital ...?

How far does it go? ”

So would you if you are doing handstand *yawn* seen it all before claire buckfield did something similar last year.

But i think CHRIS has took me risks imo.

The axel can be quite dangerous if not landed.
savethecheerlea
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by Nurse Betty:
“I couldn't agree more. The smug, fat-faced g!t was the same on Just the Two of Us even though he couldn't sing more than two notes in tune.”

I seriously hope with your name your not a nurse btw.

As for chris being fat he did USED to have a bit of a chubby face.But not now, he has slimmed down.And i think he is a very attractive young man.

As for him on just the two of us.I think he sang better than JO half the time.

So maybe you should keep personal insults like that to youself
icedragon
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by savethecheerlea:
“The axel can be quite dangerous if not landed.”

OH no - axel attack! Take cover!
Katenutzs
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by Cally's mum:
“To be fair, 'they don't use them as 'an excuse'. ITV do.. I don't know why this is so difficult for everyone to understand (it happens in the SCD sub forum as well, although in that instance it's the BBC).

It's a ploy to encourage viewers to tune in. It's not ever mentioned by the celebs themselves, if you notice. It is always 'sources close to the show' or 'reports from the set' or whatever in the written media and on TV it's actually Phil Schofield who's the worst offender (although ITV pay his wages. He's probably encouraged to make the most of these events).

The VT's are skewed by ITV. The celebs have no say over what goes in (or very little say) and it spices up the programme when there is the least little injury or hint of anything approaching an 'argument' between the couples (which has happened in the past both with this and SCD. People don't get on all the time, even with family and friends. Unfortunately, it is something that the TV companies know will bring in viewers - even casual ones).

From what I've seen, Suzanne has tried on every single occasion to play down the injuries she has received (or give them their proper place - which is to say, they don't mean a great deal. Obviously this latter one was more serious as she had to go to hospital).

I'm not sure what people want from the celebs - maybe they should all gang together and demand that ITV (who are presumably paying them for this, so are their employers), cease and desist showing 'negative' aspects and instead try to find something positive for the VT.

Unfortunately, 'positive' doesn't increase ratings, and ITV (and BBC) know this. (and that's the fault of society at large who have a salacious appetite for bad news about people).

As for Gareth's migraine, I really felt for him. I am a lifelong sufferer and my migraines have various levels - there is the 'not bad one' which I can work through (although I try to do telephone work rather than computer work as that exacerbates it) right through to the 'migraine from hell' which is the one where I can not move or speak, even my hair hurts and I have to take Immigran (which I try not to do unless it's bad, as they're expensive!) and lie in a darkened room under the duvet with a wet cloth across my forehead.

It is possible to have a migraine in the morning and be better in the afternoon (although feeling a bit wiped out!) - as I can attest to, especially, coincidentally, today where that actually happened to me!

If people want to start apportioning blame for the over the top reporting of the injuries, then they have every right, but at least choose the right target - ITV, not the celebs!

(Quite frankly, I don't like these 'anti' threads. I never have. It's one thing to criticise a skater (or, in the case of SCD, dancer)'s abilities, but to make personal comments regarding how fake the injuries are when there is absolutely no proof, or to state how 'hard' they look or how arrogant they are when we don't even know them and they've never done any harm to any of us personally - well, as I've said on numerous (far too many) occasions before, it says far more about the person stating this than it does about the celeb.

I'm not sure why people have to be like this. I have always found that if I don't like someone for some nebulous reason that I can't pin down then I simply don't say anything at all (which is not to say I haven't criticised certain people for their actions when their actions are actually reported all the time . But just watching someone on a dance/ice show and seeing the very skewed VTs is NOT knowing them and I personally find it very sad that we can't all just enjoy the show without all the very personal and unbased criticisms.”

Excellent well thought out posting, a joy to read something positive on here for a change
savethecheerlea
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“OH no - axel attack! Take cover!”

Well he could have caused himself and injry and didn't just commenting that it can

I await to see Suzanne doing yet another Handstand this week then :yawn:
ellieb123
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by savethecheerlea:
“Well he could have caused himself and injry and didn't just commenting that it can

I await to see Suzanne doing yet another Handstand this week then :yawn:”

I'm not entirely sure on this because this is the first series of DOI that I've watched, but I'm sure Jayne or Chris said they'd never seen anyone do a handstand on ice before. And I really hate to say this because I actually like Chris (see posts on other threads)- but a worm on the ice isn't exactly breaking new ground is it?

xx
savethecheerlea
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by ellieb123:
“I'm not entirely sure on this because this is the first series of DOI that I've watched, but I'm sure Jayne or Chris said they'd never seen anyone do a handstand on ice before. And I really hate to say this because I actually like Chris (see posts on other threads)- but a worm on the ice isn't exactly breaking new ground is it?

xx”

Shes now done two handstands (i think.) Did she not do one the week before.(apologies if i am wrong)

As for Chris's worm. I was disappointed he done that.It was boring and something we had saw before
ellieb123
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by savethecheerlea:
“Shes now done two handstands (i think.) Did she not do one the week before.(apologies if i am wrong)

As for Chris's worm. I was disappointed he done that.It was boring and something we had saw before”

Headstand on chair, handstand on ice...I think! TBH, I would like to apologise- I really wish I hadn't got drawn into anything like who's done this and who's done that... Suzanne's my favourite, Chris is yours- I hope the both of them reach the final as they've been the one's who have entertained me the most over the past 8 weeks.

xx
savethecheerlea
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by ellieb123:
“Headstand on chair, handstand on ice...I think! TBH, I would like to apologise- I really wish I hadn't got drawn into anything like who's done this and who's done that... Suzanne's my favourite, Chris is yours- I hope the both of them reach the final as they've been the one's who have entertained me the most over the past 8 weeks.

xx”

I expect it will go down to chris and suzanne as been either first or second.

I actually think at the moment either of them can win.
ellieb123
03-03-2008
Originally Posted by savethecheerlea:
“I expect it will go down to chris and suzanne as been either first or second.

I actually think at the moment either of them can win.”

I'm pretty certain Chris has got it in the bag...

xx
olivej
04-03-2008
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