Originally Posted by Muinimula:
“You actually time the proportion of solo skating? And there was me sitting back and enjoying the show...
Well, Zaraah's consistently scored higher than Greg for every week of the competition. That's good enough reason for me to believe that she should have stayed over him (in my opinion, of course). Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.”
I don't sit there and time it live. I just got sick of all these people stating what a good skater Zaraah is despite others pointing out how little skating she really does and how she stumbles through it so I went through each routine of hers to highlight the issue.
As for Zaraah getting higher scores than Greg, its down somewhat to the lack of judging guidelines. This leads to flashy lifts often being over marked while the technical skating gets under marked in alot of cases. Someone like Zaraah can throw in a few big lifts and guarantee a pretty good score despite the low quality of skating as its skewed to the performance side and not the technical side
Its why we saw Suzanne get great marks from everyone but Nicky for a routine that had basically no skating in it and after Nickys ticking off im sure if she did that again he would also mark her higher
Veri says on another thread
Originally Posted by Veri:
“I think there is a problem with the judging, because it's so unclear what's meant to count as good.
For example, a few weeks back, Suzanne did a difficult but lift-packed routine that Nicky marked down because it didn't have enough skating. That's right and fair if the routines are supposed to have a certain amount of on-ice time, but not if they aren't.
In today's Mirror, Jason says Suzanne "sat on Matt's shoulders and twirled an umbrella - safe and uninspiring", even though she did a spin with the umbrella and more difficult lifts than Zaraah (who's the only woman left to compare lifts). Wasn't there something safe about Zaraah's easlier lifts and hulaing the hoop while standing still? Yet it's hard to say his marks were wrong, because there are no rules. "Safe" can be completely subjective.
(I'm using Suzanne examples because I followed her most closely; there may be examples about others too.)
In any reasonable competition, there are rules that say what someone has to do to get a good score, even in sports such as figure skating and ice dancing where there's a substantial subjective element to the judging. In a show very similar to DOI, Strictly Come Dancing, a waltz has to be a waltz, a tango a tango, heel leads are required at some points, there are strict rules about lifts, and so on.
But not in DOI. Even when there's a "required" element, how much it matters seems almost arbitrary.”
And Ive also said simerlar on these forums. The judging is a total mess and there needs to be some formalisation of them and limits to the length and number of lifts so it remains a skating competition and not a cross between Cirque de celebrata and So you think you can dance. Performance is important in skating and the lifts are important for the entertainment value but performance should be judged equally with the technical part and lifts, especially for the women celebs shouldn't be given such high importance (as after all its easy for a women celeb to do a lift with a pro male than a pro female to do a lift with a celeb male as in a lift the male is the important element so the pro males who are perfect skaters and are used to lifting are better suited and allow for more and harder lifts to be done)
