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iPhone SDK announced. Better business apps, and powerful 3D games.
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TheSoulBrother
06-03-2008
Originally Posted by aaronon:
“TheSoulBrother how impressive is that SDK.

Your screenshots show the key bits. . . .you simply drag your things onto a canvas. Really easy , and really simple.

Infact they have asked Joe Blogs to become a devloper. It's $99 to become a developer for the iPhone and you get 70% of the profit from all the sales. (if your good enough to make a good one).”

It is pretty impressive. I've been meaning to really learn Objective-C and Cocoa, and this might be the thing that pushes me to do so.

It really *is* OSX for all intents and purposes. Same development platform, same plumbing, shares a lot of key dev tools... the difference is in the UI but under the hood its basically the same.

I hope the likes of Omni get their hands on it ASAP and start implementing iPhone versions of OmniOutliner, OmniFocus etc.

And I want that Last.FM client pronto. The one on the Jailbreak is cool but this should be better.
aaronon
06-03-2008
Download the app over Wi-Fi, Cellular, or by Computer then sync it to your iPhone.

You've a choice.
wicksta
06-03-2008
Ahh stevej26uk is just an uninformed troll I see. Move along.
aaronon
06-03-2008
I got OmniOutliner on my MacBook Pro and have never even opened it (I'm sorry but I really have no idea what it is).

I love the idea that you create the program on your computer using the EXACT U.I on the iPhone. Like having an iPhone right there on your computer for debugging and testing.
TheSoulBrother
06-03-2008
Originally Posted by stevej26uk:
“you have to have a laugh at apple they release 'the most innovative phone ever 3 years ahead of current mobiles'

they listen to users complaints and think oh hang on we better add a sdk then spin it to be 'years ahead of current mobile sdk'

I guess when they eventually get round to launching a 3g iphone it will be ' 3g 3-4 years ahead of current 3g mobiles'

and just reading through the press conference users will be able to download apps over celluar network, ha ha start the download of the app at 9am and by lunch it will be downloaded”

LOL, thats some extra-strong haterade you've been drinking.

For what its worth I have installed many apps over EDGE with a jailbroken iPhone... you are talking a few minutes for a regular app.
Ricardodaforce
06-03-2008
Originally Posted by TheSoulBrother:
“Flash memory?
RAM?
Processor?
OS?
Graphics?


News to me.”

You wanna go look in a phone shop then
TheSoulBrother
06-03-2008
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“You wanna go look in a phone shop then ”


Didn't know other phones were shipping with 16GB of flash "2 years" ago.
TheSoulBrother
06-03-2008
As if by magic


Quote:
“omnifocus-coming-for-the-iphone/

A few hours ago, Apple announced the iPhone SDK! We’re still trying to download it (Apple’s servers are overloaded), but it looks like it has all the features we were hoping for.

We’re eager to get started on our first iPhone app—and, yes, that first app will be… OmniFocus.

(Now to find out just exactly what we’ll be able to do!)”

stevej26uk
06-03-2008
Originally Posted by TheSoulBrother:
“Flash memory?
RAM?
Processor?
OS?
Graphics?


News to me.”

Originally Posted by TheSoulBrother:
“LOL, thats some extra-strong haterade you've been drinking.
”

Erm the n73 I had two years ago had ram, a processor, symbian os and graphics (used to run doom on it). No phone had 16gb of flash memory 2 years ago because it wasnt possible now 16gb flash is easy to make more and more phones will come with larger flash storage its not apples innovation but a natural progression of flash tech as a whole.

I Dont hate the iphone i think the touchscreen is fantastic, I just dont think its as innovative or as great as some people make out.
Ricardodaforce
06-03-2008
Originally Posted by TheSoulBrother:
“Didn't know other phones were shipping with 16GB of flash "2 years" ago.”

He said 1-2 years ago actually. Back in 2006 the SE W950 had 4gb of flash memory didn't it. A year later, at launch the iPhone managed 8gb.
TheSoulBrother
06-03-2008
Originally Posted by stevej26uk:
“Erm the n73 I had two years ago had ram, a processor, symbian os and graphics (used to run doom on it). No phone had 16gb of flash memory 2 years ago because it wasnt possible now 16gb flash is easy to make more and more phones will come with larger flash storage its not apples innovation but a natural progression of flash tech as a whole.

I Dont hate the iphone i think the touchscreen is fantastic, I just dont think its as innovative or as great as some people make out.”

lmao. Of course your N73 had ram and a processor. Every phone does.

You said "every other part of the iphone is 1-2 years behind current mobile tech"

I replied implying that the hardware of the iPhone is anything but behind. Its ahead in this respect.

Did you see the demo of Supermonkey ball today?

That's just not possible on an N73 and most likely an N95.

Quote:
“He said 1-2 years ago actually. Back in 2006 the SE W950 had 4gb of flash memory didn't it. A year later, at launch the iPhone managed 8gb.”

Again, which part of the iPhone (128MB RAM, 8-16GB flash, 700Mhz ARM processor, graphics capable of running Core Animation) were all available in a mobile phone two years or even one year ago? None. The notion that the iPhone is old tech outside of the UI is absolutely ludicrous. That's the only point I am making.
stevej26uk
06-03-2008
Originally Posted by TheSoulBrother:
“lmao. Of course your N73 had ram and a processor. Every phone does.

You said "every other part of the iphone is 1-2 years behind current mobile tech"

I replied implying that the hardware of the iPhone is anything but behind. Its ahead in this respect.

Did you see the demo of Supermonkey ball today?

That's just not possible on an N73 and most likely an N95.



Again, which part of the iPhone (128MB RAM, 8-16GB flash, 700Mhz ARM processor, graphics capable of running Core Animation) were all available in a mobile phone two years or even one year ago? None. The notion that the iPhone is old tech outside of the UI is absolutely ludicrous. That's the only point I am making.”

I said aspects of the iphone are behind current tech for example 2g only, poor camera and poor bluetooth.
I'm fairly sure the n95 could run supermonkey ball and if not the n96 most certainly could and that will be out around june time around about the same time as games for the iphone will start to filter out, the iphone is not ahead in tech maybe level on certain features behind in others.
Im not debating its ahead in a lot respects of tech 1-2 years ago, but steve jobs said 1-2 years ahead of current mobile tech and that just isnt true.
Daveoc64
06-03-2008
While I think that the iPhone is overall a good product, Apple loves its "x-y years ahead of anyone else" statements (on several of their products).

They're usually quite iffy.
timmillwood
06-03-2008
It's a shame we gotta wait until June and I bet the 3G iPhone will be out then
goomba
06-03-2008
Nice to see the iPhone catching up. Monkey Ball sounds very like the motion controlled Marble Madness I have had on my handset for months.
TheSoulBrother
06-03-2008
Originally Posted by stevej26uk:
“I said aspects of the iphone are behind current tech for example 2g only, poor camera and poor bluetooth.”

"admitally the touch screen interface is innovative but every other part of the iphone is 1-2 years behind current mobile tech"

You said it, not me.

I'm not here saying the iPhone is the best at everything. Far from it. I could give you a pretty lengthy list of improvements that need to be made. But the above statement you made is flat out wrong.

Quote:
“I'm fairly sure the n95 could run supermonkey ball and if not the n96 most certainly could and that will be out around june time around about the same time as games for the iphone”

Well for a start the N95 doesn't have an accelerometer that you can use to do the tilt navigation on Supermonkey Ball. And I am fairly sure it would not be able to run those graphics at 30fps. Almost certain. I've not read much about the N96 as my interest in Symbian died when I bought the iPhone, but it kind of proves the point that Nokia's high end model might run such a game in June 08 that the iPhone could run in June 07. That would make it 1-2 years behind in some respects, no? But alas, its not an important point and starting to get off-topic.
aaronon
06-03-2008
3G iPhone will be out as soon as smaller, less heat producing, less power consuming 3G chips are in production.

Does anybody happen to know the manufacturing roadmap for 3G chips?!

I'm one of the iPhones biggest praisers and the irony is I don't have one - I have an iPod touch.
stevej26uk
06-03-2008
Originally Posted by TheSoulBrother:
“"admitally the touch screen interface is innovative but every other part of the iphone is 1-2 years behind current mobile tech"

You said it, not me.

I'm not here saying the iPhone is the best at everything. Far from it. I could give you a pretty lengthy list of improvements that need to be made. But the above statement you made is flat out wrong.



Well for a start the N95 doesn't have an accelerometer that you can use to do the tilt navigation on Supermonkey Ball. And I am fairly sure it would not be able to run those graphics at 30fps. Almost certain. I've not read much about the N96 as my interest in Symbian died when I bought the iPhone, but it kind of proves the point that Nokia's high end model might run such a game in June 08 that the iPhone could run in June 07. That would make it 1-2 years behind in some respects, no? But alas, its not an important point and starting to get off-topic.”

I admit my statment is wrong I should have worded it differently.
The n95 does actually have an accelerometer but wasnt used until the latest firmware update, I have been using it with a program called rotateme, as to if it could handle the graphics im not sure, the n96 will be availble in by june the same time as the iphone will be able to play the games at the moment it can't. Im not saying the iphone isnt a good device it is but its not the best phone on the market.
The n95 itself isnt without a great deal of its own flaws but as a multimedia device and phone its fantastic.

On topic again i wonder if this is why apple applied for a patent for a portable gaming device, perhaps a variant of the iphone/itouch tech with the sdk.
stevej26uk
06-03-2008
I should add that I feel in a year or so, a 3g iphone with a well established set of add on apps will be a fairly attractive device.
Hopefully o2 will have got their 3g network up to scratch by then as well.
tdenson
06-03-2008
Originally Posted by stevej26uk:
“and just reading through the press conference users will be able to download apps over celluar network, ha ha start the download of the app at 9am and by lunch it will be downloaded”

You haven't a clue what you're talking about. Just been downloading applications today using the unofficial installer and most applications load via Edge in seconds. That is because a typical application is only a few hundred K. Try getting your facts straight.
stevej26uk
06-03-2008
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“You haven't a clue what you're talking about. Just been downloading applications today using the unofficial installer and most applications load via Edge in seconds. That is because a typical application is only a few hundred K. Try getting your facts straight.”

yes that maybe true and im sure many of the apps will be small enough to download over edge, but a game like supermonkeyball will likely be a large file and therefore a drag to download over edge my facts are straight edge is fine for downloading small files but impratical for larger files.
Again this is where push email could become a problem, emails without attachments fine, but imagine downloading an attached pdf of 2-3mb on edge it takes a long time trust me!
Ricardodaforce
07-03-2008
[quote=TheSoulBrother;22085388

Well for a start the N95 doesn't have an accelerometer that you can use to do the tilt navigation on Supermonkey Ball.
QUOTE]

Errr yes it does.
TheSoulBrother
07-03-2008
[quote=Ricardodaforce;22088032]
Originally Posted by TheSoulBrother;22085388

Well for a start the N95 doesn't have an accelerometer that you can use to do the tilt navigation on Supermonkey Ball.
QUOTE
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Errr yes it does.”

I stand corrected
neo6776
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by aaronon:
“3G iPhone will be out as soon as smaller, less heat producing, less power consuming 3G chips are in production.

Does anybody happen to know the manufacturing roadmap for 3G chips?!

I'm one of the iPhones biggest praisers and the irony is I don't have one - I have an iPod touch. ”

See this is what i don't get.

Any phone can have a 3g chip and still outlasts the iphone. My question is this...

Why didn't apple include 3g and give the user like on any other phone the option to switch it off if not needed?

And the size issue cant come into play here as smaller phones seem to manage to fit them in.
tdenson
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by neo6776:
“See this is what i don't get.

Any phone can have a 3g chip and still outlasts the iphone. My question is this...

Why didn't apple include 3g and give the user like on any other phone the option to switch it off if not needed?

And the size issue cant come into play here as smaller phones seem to manage to fit them in.”

Part of it is marketing bluff by Apple I agree, however there is an argument that says most people would not turn it off, and it would start getting a reputation for poor battery life which is not what Apple want.
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