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Sananda Maitreya
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“I am not anti-iPhone. Indeed I have praised elements of it in these very fora. However, reading many of the posts about it one is led to believe that it is THE panacea of the mobile phone world. The reality is that it is not.
Now I own an N95, a Pearl and a Curve. All of which are brilliant machines, yet I would never indulge in the kind of phone-orgasm about them as people do about the i-Phone.
It is not the best phone in the world, or the most advanced as Apple claim. No one can claim to be the best. I do find it very strange that a portable device is bought by folk who so very vehemantly feel the need to defend it at every opportunity. I don't see Viewty, Curve et al owners getting so out of their tree do you? What is it about the iPhone that makes you so passionate? Guess what - it's a phone!”

i just don't recall anyone posting here that it's the best phone in the world. what i have seen is people posting about the positive elements of iphone and defending it against charges such as yours that just a frilly dress. everyone knows it has limitations.
tdenson
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“ What is it about the iPhone that makes you so passionate? !”

Have you ever thought that iPhone owners feel so passionately about their iPhones because it might just happen to actually be true that it's the best phone in the world. Nothing else comes close, the N95 is a joke in comparison.
Ricardodaforce
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“Have you ever thought that iPhone owners feel so passionately about their iPhones because it might just happen to actually be true that it's the best phone in the world. Nothing else comes close, the N95 is a joke in comparison.”


Now that kind of comment not only contradicts your fellow iPhone afficionado, but it is quite frankly a joke as well as being factually incorrect.
Sananda Maitreya
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“Now that kind of comment not only contradicts your fellow iPhone afficionado, but it is quite frankly a joke as well as being factually incorrect.”

well, that's my point down the tube.
Sananda Maitreya
07-03-2008
however, i don't see why you say it's a joke.
Ricardodaforce
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“i just don't recall anyone posting here that it's the best phone in the world.”


Well it has been said. Most recently directly under your statement.
Sananda Maitreya
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“Well it has been said. Most recently directly under your statement.”

yes. thankfully after my post!
Ricardodaforce
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“however, i don't see why you say it's a joke.”

Well speaking dispassionately, describing the N95 as a joke is just silly. It's a smartphone. It has a 5MP camera. It has an integral GPS receiver and can be used as a satnav. It has an excellent media player with dedicated controls. It is a cutting edge device. It's not a joke. Now I don't say these because I am an N95 owner, I say them because the are facts. Is it the best phone in the world? No. Is it my favourite? No. My Pearl is.
Sananda Maitreya
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“Well speaking dispassionately, describing the N95 as a joke is just silly. It's a smartphone. It has a 5MP camera. It has an integral GPS receiver and can be used as a satnav. It has an excellent media player with dedicated controls. It is a cutting edge device. It's not a joke. Now I don't say these because I am an N95 owner, I say them because the are facts. Is it the best phone in the world? No. Is it my favourite? No. My Pearl is.”

well i wouldn't call the n95 a joke; it's clearly a feature packed phone. as is the iphone. i wouldn't call either the best phone in the world in this thread because we'd have to first agree on the relevant criteria. and there'd be no agreement. because different people value different things. for me, iphone's interface is the main thing whereas for someone else 3G and flash photography are far more important (which is not to say that i would not prefer 3G so long as battery life isn't compromised). i can only call iphone the best phone in the world for me.
tdenson
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“Well speaking dispassionately, describing the N95 as a joke is just silly. It's a smartphone. It has a 5MP camera. It has an integral GPS receiver and can be used as a satnav. It has an excellent media player with dedicated controls. It is a cutting edge device. It's not a joke. Now I don't say these because I am an N95 owner, I say them because the are facts. Is it the best phone in the world? No. Is it my favourite? No. My Pearl is.”

Alright, I'm exaggerating somewhat, but I really believe in terms of both productivity and (real) usefulness the N95 is a long long way behind the iPhone. Yes, the N95 has a great spec on paper, but when it comes to the crunch its features come nowhere near outweighing the UI advantages of the iPhone.
Sananda Maitreya
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“Alright, I'm exaggerating somewhat, but I really believe in terms of both productivity and (real) usefulness the N95 is a long long way behind the iPhone. Yes, the N95 has a great spec on paper, but when it comes to the crunch its features come nowhere near outweighing the UI advantages of the iPhone.”

well tdenson, i take your points but what works for you and me doesn't necessarily work for others.
tdenson
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“ It's a smartphone. It has a 5MP camera. It has an integral GPS receiver and can be used as a satnav.”

BTW I happen to believe that encouraging the use of satnav on such a small screen as the N95 while driving is downright dangerous. Horses for courses, I use a full size TomTom when driving.
aaronon
07-03-2008
With one consistent person swaying the conversation from an SDK to a "the iPhone isn't that good compared to the N95, N96 and the future N4001 (so what this topic isn't about that so why bring it up)" the topics gone right AWOL.
Ricardodaforce
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“Alright, I'm exaggerating somewhat, but I really believe in terms of both productivity and (real) usefulness the N95 is a long long way behind the iPhone. Yes, the N95 has a great spec on paper, but when it comes to the crunch its features come nowhere near outweighing the UI advantages of the iPhone.”

Your back-peddling is amusing. Indeed so is your claim that in terms of (real) usefulness the N95 is a long long way behind the iPhone.. That's just not true is it.
Imagery: If you wanted to use your phone to take a photo or a video, which would give the better results?
Navigation: Can the iPhone provide an exact location and give you precise voice guidance and turn by turn instructions? No it can't.
Now we all know and acknowledge that it has a wonderful and market leading UI. That cannot be argued. But you cannot just belittle the excellent features of other phones just because you love your iPhone so much. It's crazy!
tdenson
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“well tdenson, i take your points but what works for you and me doesn't necessarily work for others.”

Of course. However, I really do think that an awful lot of people jump to conclusions about the iPhone based upon paper specs which do not begin to do justice to what it is really like. I have never ever had a phone which I find myself using as frequently as this one (by an order of magnitude).
Sananda Maitreya
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“Well speaking dispassionately, describing the N95 as a joke is just silly. It's a smartphone. It has a 5MP camera. It has an integral GPS receiver and can be used as a satnav. It has an excellent media player with dedicated controls. It is a cutting edge device. It's not a joke. Now I don't say these because I am an N95 owner, I say them because the are facts. Is it the best phone in the world? No. Is it my favourite? No. My Pearl is.”

by the way, i thought when you said tdenson's comments were a joke i thought you were specifically talking about his saying iphone was the best phone in the world. now i see you were talking about his calling the n95 a joke in comparison to iphone.
Sananda Maitreya
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“Of course. However, I really do think that an awful lot of people jump to conclusions about the iPhone based upon paper specs which do not begin to do justice to what it is really like. I have never ever had a phone which I find myself using as frequently as this one (by an order of magnitude).”

i agree that the paper specs do not do justice to iphone. but n95 is an excellent phone too. just not my or your first choice.
tdenson
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“Imagery: If you wanted to use your phone to take a photo or a video, which would give the better results?
Navigation: Can the iPhone provide an exact location and give you precise voice guidance and turn by turn instructions? No it can't.”

Imagery - If I want to take a photo that I intend to keep I use a "proper" camera. If I don't intend to keep it then the iPhone is good enough. (And BTW my iPhone does do video).

Navigation - I have already said in another message that I think trying to use an N95 in a car is downright dangerous.
TheSoulBrother
07-03-2008
Can we talk about the SDK, or have the trolls won again by derailing the thread?
Ricardodaforce
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by TheSoulBrother:
“Can we talk about the SDK, or have the trolls won again by derailing the thread?”


Thanks for that. I am not a troll.
Ricardodaforce
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by TheSoulBrother:
“Can we talk about the SDK, or have the trolls won again by derailing the thread?”


Ok, go on then.......
aaronon
07-03-2008
The trolls won a long long time ago. Infact post number 14. When anyone interested in Apples new SDK was labelled a fanboy.
TheSoulBrother
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“Thanks for that. I am not a troll.”


Quote:
“Before you fanboys right Blackberry off, look at this.”

Troll comment #1

Quote:
“I work in the mobile industry, and as such iPhones are of interest which is why I read about them. Just because I haven't been duped by the hype does not invalidate my right to an opinion.”

Troll comment #2

Both in the same thread. But I digress.


Back to the SDK. I wonder what happens to Windows users?

I mean, it should be pretty trivial to make OmniFocus on the Mac sync with OmniFocusMobile. But this is all done in XCode for OSX. It presents a real issue with the Windows folks (who will probably make up 90% of iPhone users in the long term) who might be unable to have that seamless experience between desktop and mobile.

For cloud services (Twitter, NewsGator, Last.FM etc) it won't be a problem. But it might be a case of once again having to be on a Mac to get the absolute maximum out of the apps that will be launching soon (much like how the iPod is better on the Mac in respect to iTunes and syncing with apps).
aaronon
07-03-2008
Yes I see, but i'm sure there will be Applications for windows users.

Perhaps the App-store knows that your synced to a Windows computer and leaves out applications that wouldn't sync - likewise with the mac programs.
TheSoulBrother
07-03-2008
Originally Posted by aaronon:
“Yes I see, but i'm sure there will be Applications for windows users.

Perhaps the App-store knows that your synced to a Windows computer and leaves out applications that wouldn't sync - likewise with the mac programs.”


I see that the iPhone can use Bonjour and TCP/IP so it can sync over the air (kinda like how you can sync Exchange data OTA), but then the developer still needs to create compatibility with the Windows store.

The gist of what I am saying is that the iPhone is a Mac under the hood. It will have the same issues with cross platform compatibility and seamlessness that has been applicable to Macs for 20 years.

Nobody seems to have brought this issue up. I think its a significant one. If I use a vanilla RSS reader on Windows, I can't see how one can create an app that syncs the latest feeds with the iPhone to read when out and about unless you have a server on the web in the middle that syncs it (think NewsGator, Google Reader)

There could be potential for 3rd party apps to write directly to the .app bundle on the iPhone, but as far as I can see Apple has locked the thing down pretty hard (sandboxing, digitally signed etc)
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