We all make choices in life

Now get on your knees and scrub harder!

Admittedly I only saw the C4 highlights of this but I haven't seen anyone else mention that when Ray started dragging Nush she went all floppy and just let him do it. I doubt she was enjoying it immensly but from what I saw she didn't fight and actually encouraged it? She had plenty of chances to get up but didn't take them.

I do think Ray is a violent person but I dunno, he came out looking good to me. I can't see Nush or Steph winning and I can't stand Cameron so I don't want him to win so for me it's between Scott and Ray. And when Scott smiles he reminds me of Graham Norton - shudder!

I actually wouldn't mind seeing Ray win.

you didnt mention hitting women... but nor did I.. and i wouldnt read the mail if you paid me and as you didnt even read my post properly, I have to assume that you would be unable to read Janet and John, frankly

You misunderstand me. I'm the person you shouldn't piss off, who gets to decide how much the needle hurts, and how neat the scar will be

Was hoping you'd square up to have a decent argurment.
How lame was that?

:sleep:

Actually, his comment did refer to that....


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Originally posted by da33431
Look I'm all for people showing their emotions, but that was a show of sheer nastiness.

"I'll punch her f*cking face in"

Is it me guys or would you never threaten to punch a woman's face in?


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Have u ever been in a pub with some male mates?? thought not. Better to stay at home with your Mum knitting eh?

Decisions eh? How much Ajax u wil put in the bucket and whether you crack open a new vileda supermop from the stock cupboard more like?

The person who came out best from tonights programme is Jon (followed by Nush and Scott). Oh, the irony of that eh?

To be honest I think that Rays behaviour could divide the vote even more and the 'real winner' from that will be BB itself.

Ray feels that he was conned by Steph's display of self-pity into voting for Nush - or "sacrificing" her, as I think he described it. I agree. In his mind, Ray thought he was being kind by bending to Steph's distress, trying not to upset her more. Right motive, wrong decision, Ray.

Steph comes across as a self-serving little madam who plays the game as much as anyone. Notice that she's never thanked Ray for saving her @ss this time round, or even acknowledged it. She even complained of all the attention being on Nush after Nush had been nominated! What a moo!

In a way, I'm glad that Cameron wasn't up against Steph this week as she'd have been bound to go. At least with Nush, there's a (slim) chance that Cam might be voted out, and then wouldn't the group dynamics be interesting?

I have no favourite. They all have their pros and cons - more cons than pros. But I'd like to see the painfully smug Cameron out this week as I think it would reveal more truth about the remaining HMs and perhaps point to a potential winner, someone I'd actually want to pick up the phone for. Not holding my breath, however.

I'm not sure which is the most worrying....... a drunken Ray dragging a woman across the floor like a piece of meat, or people here defending him. It's NOT "a bit of fun" or "Ray just being genuine" (!) , it's an all too familiar scenario for an awful lot of women in this country.

When people like Ray get pissed, it spells big trouble for the people (usually women) around them.

If Big Brother 4 serves any useful purpose at all, it will be to show to the teenies who waste their 25p texts to Endemol saying how "Ray is soooo fit" what happens to women who upset "soooo fit" men like Ray when they've had a drink.

How I love to read a decent argument.

After watching Ray tonight the only person who came out bad in my books was Stef as she was so worried that Ray would spill the beans about her game. Never seen her and in such a state of panic. Ray is feeling guilty he voted Nush and being taken for a ride by Stef and that was the cause of the outburst + booze does not agree with Ray.

thanks to herbaliser for totally fu**ing what was, potentially a good thread. bask in the knowledge that your superior trolling has won you friends and influenced people.

I'm all for people showing their feelings, but there's a big difference between assertiveness and aggression.
Why is Ray's intimidation usually towards women - trying to drag Tania into the shower, verbal abuse to Steph, then grabbing Nush?

Only a coward picks on someone physically inferior to themselves.If I was in that house, there's only one person who would be getting a punch in the F***ing face, and it wouldn't be Steph.

Amen to that!

Tonight it was Ray stomping round going "f'ing bitch" so vehemently that bothered me a lot more than his dragging Nush around. But...

*Applauds*

Did you only see the argument? I don't know about others but I actually thought the actual argument was fair enough, Ray was right to be pissed off about what Steph said. Its the way that he then reacted, the threats of physical violence against a woman and mistreatment of Nush which people are arguing about.

So have we labelled Ray a women basher ?
Sounds like it to me.

Ray's a loose cannon. Full stop. You never really know what he's going to do next, but you know that it'll be a few steps too far.

And only a conniving bitch picks on someone mentally weaker than themselves.

I too would have said the same..note i say "said" <<<<<

So many touchy humourless old queens on this board..middle england rears its thick ugly head.

RAY TO WIN!

No, he abuses his position of physical strength over women and threatens physical abuse but I don't think we can call him a woman basher, yet.

Steph's joke was out of order even more so that she couldn't see the correlation between her being hurt and Ray feeling hurt by her comment... although to be fair Steph didnt threaten to punch Jon for saying that he would pick Nush over her

At the beginning, I thought Ray was justified in being pissed off by Steph's reaction when she was trying to belittle him, although he could have handled it better. What is scary is how fast he goes from fun loving Ray to violent and aggressive Ray, and also how his idea of fun is always pretty physically overbearing.

I wouldn't fancy being dragged through the house on my back by my arms, it didn't look funny, and even though Nush was laughing, it sounded like a scared laugh to me. Jon and Scott clearly thought so too, and it was a perfect reminder of when he dragged Tania around the house in a similar incident.

He is a violent drunk. Therefore he shouldn't drink. And he shouldn't win Big Brother either.

Ray's high-spirited.
He was NOT violent towards Nush.
They were messing around like kids. He was pulling her across the floor. She was laughing.
What's the problem?