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Endemols mistakes..
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lector
17-07-2003
As this years most boring BB comes to a close what mistakes have Endomol made ??

I'll start off with allowing HM's to bring in books , endless streams of HM's sitting around reading.
bbjason
17-07-2003
letting cameron be in there
Wooster
17-07-2003
Letting C4 choose the HM's.
Bookworm84
17-07-2003
From their final 50 or so Endemol try and put together the 'perfect' 12 housemates who they think will interact well. They did this too well this year and they all got along too much and then people start calling them boring.
teapot
17-07-2003
believing that production wheezes, tricks, gimmicks and alcohol produce good reality TV
emmeline
17-07-2003
No set discussion topics, that we've been privvy to anyway.

Too many gimmicks.

The first impressions nominations robbed BB of the liveliest female this year.
The double eviction was a total disaster.
It would've been more effective if all the housemates were up for eviction that week and the public voted for whom they wanted to stay.

I don't mind them having books because I think I'd go insane without anything to read.
A board game or two, say Monopoly or Snakes and Ladders or something like that could be really good fun to watch, but not all the time.
Jason C
17-07-2003
Breaking fundamental BB rules in order to atone for their mistakes.
Big-Bro-Insider
17-07-2003
[COLOR=red]CALLING A BIG BROTHER FANS![/COLOR]
Now is you chance!

I go to the Big Brother evictions each Friday - not only that, but, I go inside the main studio where you see the after exit interview being conducted. I often get the chance to ask the evictee a few questions before they are sent off to the press conference.

This week (who ever gets evicted) I want some really good questions to ask.

All suggestions will be read and the best will be asked.

If you have a question or questions please e-mail: big-bro-insider@theopenworld.co.uk.

The answers from the evictee will be posted here on Saturday.
Big-Bro-Insider@theopenworld.co.uk
cerberus
17-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Jason C
Breaking fundamental BB rules in order to atone for their mistakes. ”

Such as?

You seem to have forgotten the most important rule - "Big Brother can change the rules at any time" - in other words : there are no rules.
murderltd
17-07-2003
€nd€mol should have avoided the "initial impression" nomination - this forced the hms to bond together and therefore create dull tv.

Otherwise, actually, I think that the series has been quite good from a psyco viewpoint and is developing nicely (but a bit late!)

What the GBP did wrong is not to get its priorities right in who to evict each week!
bigmadmental
17-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by lector
As this years most boring BB comes to a close what mistakes have Endomol made ??

I'll start off with allowing HM's to bring in books , endless streams of HM's sitting around reading.
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Not letting them sleep too much. Sleep deprevation would help let their guard slip.

Also more alcohol, no annoying Brummies and better tasks. One bedroom instead of two. This will surely mess with people like Cameron's mind.
Jason C
17-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by cerberus
Such as?

You seem to have forgotten the most important rule - "Big Brother can change the rules at any time" - in other words : there are no rules.
”

Such as 'no contact with the outside world'.

Such as 'evicted housemates cannot return to the house'.

BB can change the rules at any time, so next year, why don't they just let housemates leave the house at any time to go the shops and then come back? They could be given a TV, video and a hi-fi to watch things on, all the food they can eat and unlimited hot water and alcohol, they could be allowed not to take part in the task, and so on.

Some rules have to remain in place or else BB is no longer BB; simple as.
cerberus
18-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Jason C
Such as 'no contact with the outside world'.

Such as 'evicted housemates cannot return to the house'.

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Some rules have to remain in place or else BB is no longer BB; simple as.
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Fair enough on the first point - with both Jon and Lisa they should have been removed the moment they mentioned anything to do with the housemates and the outside world. That would've really thrown the housemates - a new/returned housemate for all of, ooh, an hour or two before they were taken away again...

I don't think the evicted housemates one was ever really a rule as such, more just something that was taken for granted. I don't have a problem with it really, but I think there ought to be far stricter rules about it and what can be said/done by the returning housemate.

Some do need to stay in place, yes, but they can be bent slightly without being broken. I think one of the problems this year is that they tried to do too many things, so that they seemed rushed instead of thought through.
Clarat
18-07-2003
* The first night nominations - They were bound to reult in the biggest carachters being nom'd

*The double eviction - although I have to admit I thought this was a good idea at first

*No gay/bi HM's

*Not putting Jon back in earlier!
cerberus
18-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Clarat
* The first night nominations - They were bound to reult in the biggest carachters being nom'd”


I liked the first night nominations, though I think I preferred the way they did it last year, where the housemates had to decide on the person to be evicted from the bottom two.

Actually, if I was going to do that, I'd have the public voting all week then tell the housemates on the Friday after. Then, give the two/three up for eviction 30 seconds each to convince why they should stay and then call everyone individually into the diary room to say who should go. None of this group decision nonsense.

Quote:
“*No gay/bi HM's
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I don't really think that's a guarantee of having someone entertaining. Besides, there was Fed...
Cwej
18-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Clarat


*No gay/bi HM's

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As a gay man, I actually find it quite offensive for you to have such a strong prejudice (and I don't know whether you're straight or gay, but either way it is a prejudice) that suggests you think there is such a huge difference between people because of their sexuality. Fair enough, sexuality plays a part in someone's personality, but to say that having a gay/bi person in there every year is a vital ingredient of a group of people actually makes it sound like you think of them as 'tokens', rather than people.

Sorry if I've overreacted to that comment!!!!!!!!!
magsiesss
18-07-2003
What I would say to Jon de Mol (Endemol):

Jon, jij bent een klootsac - waar ben jij aan denken? Dit is fout, het werkt helemaal niet - dat weet jij, dat weet ik ... nu, volgende keer, doen wij het anders ....

LUISTERN Jon .... nu, BB5 wordt echter anders .... om te begininen .....
brunobrookes
18-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Cwej
Sorry if I've overreacted to that comment!!!!!!!!! ”

Yup, I think you overreacted - the chappie was I believe saying that it was a mistake that there were no gay/bi HMs. Must admit that I did a double-take at first though...
Myfanwy
18-07-2003
I think that this year they tried to put too many gimmicks in in too many weeks.

They were all good, but not all needed in one BB. Spread over a couple/three series they would have worked, but all at once they have failed, partly by not allowing the HM's to get to know each other/bond as well as they could/should have. It's the penultimate week when we are just seeing the interaction - is that what you really want from BB?

I think with just one or two of these additions they would have interacted much more and been more entertaining, and also enjoyed themselves much more!

I'm open to offers of employment C4/E4 if you want, as long as you can pay more than my current job does
lector
18-07-2003
Another mistake I think they made was putting HM who is deliberately abrasive in mid way through.

There was no chance at all that she would last more than her first official eviction date.

If C4 wanted to put someone in it would have to be a nice, calm person which would not make good TV.

If any future BB's are to have new HM's entering half way through then they would have to keep them under lock and key so that they had no idea what was going on.

It would mean that you could look upon a new HM based on their character with the knowledge that they didn't have an advantage of seeing what was going on from the outside worlds perspective .
fauntleroy
18-07-2003
This was meant to be the Big Brother that went 'back to basics' after last year's 'rich house, poor house' experiment. But we've had more 'innovations' than ever: first night nominations, double eviction night, housemate swap with BB Africa, injecting an extra housemate who has been able to watch the show beforehand, returning an ex-housemate (who also has been able to watch the show while they were out).

Of these, only the housemate swap added anything wothwhile and the rest have been disasters of one sort or another.

The strength of BB is the simplicity of the concept - lock a bunch of people up for 10 weeks or so, give it a competitive twist with the weekly nominations and watch what happens. The old saying 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' applies here. C4 and Endemol have messed about with the format and come up with something that basically doesn't work anymore.
The wethedgehog
18-07-2003
Big Brother is about strong personalities. Quiet people just don't work. I think Anoushka, Fed, Jon, Lisa and Ray were strong personalities and were entertaining. However the others were simply too easy going.
I know this has been mentioned before, but if everyone was up for eviction every week and there was positive voting, then the more boring housemates would go first.
Richard Pryor
18-07-2003
Endemols many mistakes......lets see.The biggest by far is there constant editorializing.Surely we could have seen the full argument between ray and steph?or at least the reason he lost his rag in the first place?Instead ,unless you have e4(i have) then he looks a total psycho, and she looks like a victim.Very convenient....
Clarat
18-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Cwej
As a gay man, I actually find it quite offensive for you to have such a strong prejudice (and I don't know whether you're straight or gay, but either way it is a prejudice) that suggests you think there is such a huge difference between people because of their sexuality. Fair enough, sexuality plays a part in someone's personality, but to say that having a gay/bi person in there every year is a vital ingredient of a group of people actually makes it sound like you think of them as 'tokens', rather than people.

Sorry if I've overreacted to that comment!!!!!!!!!
”

Sorry twas late at night and I was tring to think of elements of the last few years which have improved my viewing, Anna and Brian are two such elements. As a general view I feel that adding some gay people in there adds an extra dynamic to the relationships of all the HM's. Seeing a hm such as Bubble overcome homophobic tendencies to become best mates with Brian was interesting viewing.

ps - I'm bi

pps - forgot about Fed, I'm not entirely sure he wasn't palying to the pink vote with that one though.
Richard Pryor
18-07-2003
Mistake no-2......The choice of hm's was so middle of the road it was embarassing.Did the producers REALLY think that this bunch would produce anything interesting at all?Tedious in the extreme,they only managed a normal adult argument after 8 WEEKS !The fear of getting voted out means they are all the equivalent of watching paint dry. No Nick,no Brian,no Adele even,and she was horrendous!
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