Like most people in the UK, I was educated in CofE schools, which meant I was taught the basic principles of the religion. Where was Cameron when he should have been learning these?

How can he proclaim to be a devout Christian when he doesn't even follow the basic ideas of the religion:
- Love
- Care
- Understanding
- Tolerance
- Forgiveness

To Cameron these principles seem to be:
- Hate
- Disregard
- Judge Unreasonably
- Discriminate
- Hold Grudges

Would anybody actually be inclined to think favourably of the religion if Cameron is an example of a follower?

basically hes a christian only when it suits him

All Fundamentalists whether Christian or otherwise are basically intolerant.

He's a Christian to anyone who watches the 10PM shows.

To the rest of us who watch it on E4, we know what he's like, and its a shame that most people have fell for C4's biased editing, and don't realise what hes really like.

Agreed.

And I work with quite a few Born-Again (as Cameron said he was a few nights ago - very late about 3am) Baptists and Pentecostalists, who are rude and arrogant and quite judgemental. Not qualities I seek in a religion personally.

Which is why I am not a christian.

bc

Cameron has human frailties like you and I.
If he comes in contact with Plonker's like Jon, emotional retards like Ray, dip-sticks like Nush. He must find it very hard to remain. Tolerant.
A few 'hail mary's' gets him back on track.
Jon, isn't on this earth to make Cameron prove how sincere/trutful he is.
You should use these principles to discribe Jon.:
- Hate
- Disregard
- Judge Unreasonably
- Discriminate
- Hold Grudges

Hail Marys are an element of Roman Catholicism - Cam is not a catholic (I think).

My only point is that it is hypocritical of him to say he follows the religion when he quite clearly doesn't. He bases his contempt of alcohol (and fun on the whole) on what he had read in his bible - but to me, if you are going to to profess to a religion you should follow everything that the holy book says, not just the bits that are most convenient for you.


Who said he was?

But sadly he has more than most.



Jon however doesn't style himself as a Christian and he doesn't apply his morals to everyone except himself.

The basic fact about Christianity is that all of us are sinners, we all have weaknesses, his are being exposed as he is being watched by cameras 24/7.

I wonder how many rules of Christianity you would break in 2 months under such pressure.

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Camern should convert to Catholicism then. The 'hail Mary's) work a treat.

Jon said he was on mission to expose Cameron. Try and Keep up.

I don't claim to be a Christian, so I could break as many rules as I liked.

Cameron DOES claim to be a Christian, and although it is understandable that he will sin from time to time, you'd think he's show remorse and seek forgiveness (as the religion prescribes) "forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us".

Instead of this, Cameron quite delibarately and knowingly breaks the rules of his religion. Look at his utter contempt of Lisa. He's still bitching about her a week after she's gone. Oh yes, he's really forgiven her.

But only Cameron is a Christian. It's only him who subscribes to that value system and frankly makes a mockery of it.

I'm not a christin and don't recognise its existence. Ergo I'm am without sin.

Name, your time and place, you deliver the stones, i'll gladly chuck 'em at cam.

Excellent, excellent point - I like you don't seek guidance from the Bible. But what I read of it doesn't anywhere seem to proscribe the type of housewife bitching and gossiping that Cam partakes him. I thought the Bible was especially big on forgiveness but may Cam hasn't read that bit!

The person who opened this thread was basing their attack on Christian values and what they have been taught in the C of E. They obviously didn't listen very well, or perhaps they think they are without sin and can cast the first stone. You decide.

I wouldn't say he delibaratly breaks any rules.
He may 'laspe' sometimes,

But is that person still a practising Christian??

that thread should be called

cameron OR christianity

they dont seem to go together

I don't object to Cameron being imperfect or struggling with his faith. I actually used to really like Cameron.

I dislike him now because he fails to recognise that there is anything wrong with some of his behaviour towards others.

I most certainly was not. Christian values are the most admirable thing about the religion. They teach that all followers should lead good and honourable lives, and if everyone in the world was able to follow them, the world would be a better place.

But the religion is not for me, so I don't follow it. My attack was on the hypocrisy of Cameron who claims to follow and promote these values (forgiveness etc.) whilst simultaneously breaching them.

cword is a fundamentalist and a born again christian

All people i have ever met calling themselves born again were creepy.

cam has not changed my opinion about bacs

It doesn't matter what they are.

Their fault is in trying to use Christianity to attack someone for being sinful, when Christianity is based on the premise that we all are.

he didn't say he is a GOOD christian did he?

the common misconception people have is that if someone goes to church every day and prays to their god everynight then they are some kind of saint. it just is not true, there is good and bad in all kinds of people. take my father-in-law for example, hes an adulterous, gambling, manipulative backstabber... but he goes to church every sunday so obviously he'll go to heaven

i think people should judge cameron on his actions not on what deity he prays to.

Every Holy Book lays down ground rules.
The person reading the book, understands who difficulct the rules are to follow, a commited person spends their whole life working very hard to follow the instructions layed down in their chosen book.

Cameron is on of millions working very hard to keep his believes on track.