He's not doing a very good job of it is he?

But Cameron, being a Christian, should know perfectly well when he has sinned, and if he was true to his religion he would seek forgiveness - not just carry on sinning and sinning.

Christians seem to use the concept of original sin to excuse their bad behaviour, when the true fact is that when they repent to Jesus and committ themselves to being a Christian, they are supposed to actively avoid sinning and seek forgiveness when they do.

I believe this thread is about discussing Cameron and his adherence to the values which he claims to live by - not anyone else.

You're speculating now. We know for fact that he's still got an obession with Lisa and would NOT back down what he said about her. My point is that anyone who believes in the Bible knows that forgiveness is a KEY to being a Christian, not a small subplot but a KEY!!! I could hate Lisa myself all I like but I don't subscribe to Christianity!

THAT is the misconception. Simply going to church doesn't secure you a place in heaven. In fact it is taught in most churches that the worst type of sinners are those who know the gospel, profess to follow it, and still go on sinning with no repentance and no effort to stop sinning.

Cameron, it appears to me, is a perfect example of the above.



My thoughts entirely!

It was about a charachter called Jon Doe who took his own religious interpretation to a whole new level...i sugest you watch it, he has similar traits to Cam (without the mass murder, but who knows!!)

Ben,

Probably because no-one has pointed out to him.

Ignorance is bliss brother.

It is a topic for discussion and what you think it relates to doesn't matter a hoot.

He can't adhere to the values of Christianity for the simple reason he was born a sinner, as are we all. God doesn't expect him to be perfect, and he doesn't need to be to win Big brother or be accepted into heaven.

Ray has pointed it out to him.

actually it was sarcasm

By that logic, we're all imperfect (true), God will not expect any of us to be perfect or try to be perfect (questionable), and so he'll forgive us all (probably not) and we'll all go to heavn (ludicrous).

Again it needs to be underlined - God (according to Christianity) knows that we sin, BUT it doesn't stop there...he requires us to do something about it. And Cameron doesn't.




I know you meant it like that...but it's surprising how many people really do believe that sitting in a big room once a week being bored off your cake really does mean you're a good person.

Are you privy to his thoughts?
How do you/we know what any one is 'really' 'thinking.
I would hope/guess Cameron is aware of his sinfuk thoughts and repents in his own way.

Well he needs to do again and again and again ...... etc

Get the others to join in, make it last all day, then C4 will have to show it.

Very specious defence.

Wouldn't want to break your track record hey Ben 2000+ posts in two months and each one slating Cameron.

If his thoughts were sincere then he'd have apologised to Lisa for all the nastiness, tried to get Nush to forgive him for sitting there arrogantly preaching when she was in pain (rather than doing the Christian thing and helping her), and attempted to set right all the other hurt and aggrevation he has caused.

etc.

The CofE bases its Christianity on the New Testament, as, I think, does the RC church.

Cameron, however, is a Born-Again Christian, which is a type of fundamentalist protestantism based on the Old Testament -

"an eye for an eye" rather than "turn the other cheek".

It is a type of faith common in parts of Scotland, Northern Ireland, and the southern United States, and is characterised by intolerance to others -

For instance, Born-Again Christians believe that only by being one of them can you achieve salvation and go to heaven - everybody else is damned. Extreme members do not believe Catholics (and they often regard Anglicans as Catholics) are even Christians - the Pope is deemed to be the anti-christ. Some believe things like God favours the rich and that being poor is a punishment from God. They do not tend to be charitable people.

No. You're ignoring the fact that this thread *is* about Cameron's adherence to his faith and whether or not he is a worthy exponent of those ideals.

It's not just about slagging off Cameron for not being perfect. That's an incredibly simplistic misinterpretation of the thread.

The actual premise of Christianity is irrelevant since very few of the forum members participating in this topic have professed to be active Christians.

Stop generalising or introducing needless off-topic sarcasm.

Not all of my posts have about slating Cameron.

*If* you were actually paying attention to the forum and reading threads properly, you might be aware that in fact I used to *like* the chap up until the middle of week three and have indicated as such several times.

Interesting. I don't know all that much about born-again Christians. Sounds like a bit of a Ku Klux Klan to me. Aren't they even supposed to try and convert other people? Like unofficial missionaries.

The puzzling thing is then, why should Cameron even bother reading the bible if his faith doesn't compel him to follow and teach what it contains? Either way, it still paints him in an unfavourable shade.

I think you're all being a bit harsh. He's obviously a very slow reader - he's had his nose in the good book since he got in the house and still hasn't finished it! Maybe he just hasn't got to the bit in the bible that tells you to practise love, care, understanding, tolerance and forgiveness towards others yet. I'm soon he'll change his nasty behaviour as soon as he realises it's what Jesus would do.

naah thats me

Sadly I "have" been reading the forum threads fully and find the fact that your name crops up regularly asking the same old questions "why do people like Cameron?"and using the same arguments incessantly.Whilst not accepting the many replys you receive...over and over again.You are ruining my enjoyment of this forum .Whilst your views are very relevant I really dont need to read them 50 times a day

I'm not a great fan of Cameron's but some of these statements are nonsence. It seems you have a problem with Christianity rather than Cameron, and are using it as a stick to beat him with.

ok so you comment that

"To Cameron these principles seem to be:
- Hate
- Disregard
- Judge Unreasonably
- Discriminate
- Hold Grudges"

1. I have seen no evidence that Cameron "hates" anyone in the house. He might be annoyed at people or even dislike them but can you point to any incidents of hate? I'm not sure there is any human being on this planet that could live with people day and night, in a confned space, and not become annoyed. Have you ever fallen out with friends on a two week holiday?

2. Judge unreasonably. I think judging anyone is unreasonable without getting to know the person. Your post probably judges Cameron unreasonably. Again this is human nature, as long as you can acknowledge this fault, which he has in the diary room, then you are half way there to becoming a better person. By watching Lisa in the house, can you say he unreasonably judged this person. I think almost 80% of the public could see she was very unstable woman. His opinon's on Nush when she is drunk are also valid. Being the only one sober at a party is a very irratating experience and this man has 8 weeks of this in a confined space. I think he has shown amazing restraint, I wouldn't of lasted one night with some of the antics.

This then raises a valid point about Cameron, which I can't understand is. Why go into the house if you knew BB has mainly become a show about people getting drunk and acting up to the camera's?

3. discriminate. I can't see any evidence of this again. Cameron seemed to adapt very well to his South African experience, surely a big stumbling block for any bigoted person. His dislike for Jon wasn't instant but over time when Jon's eccentric way start to grind on him. Again I don't think he was in a minority in the house.

I would think Scott hurt Nush more when he never got of his fence to see if she was okay.

As for the other peice of wierdness that is Lisa.
Cameron owes that low*life nothing.