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Jason Gardiner says Chris has an unfair advantage
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bluejools
15-03-2008
Originally Posted by GH Online:
“Indeed we don't, and if you want to teach the Antipodean berk a lesson you all know who to vote for.”

PMSL!!
Donna16
15-03-2008
What I don't get is why Jason has waited until now to say that he thinks Chris has an unfair advantage??? Frankie, Jayne, Chris and other professionals have stated that Chris having done Ice hockey previously may have helped him with balance and confidence on the ice, but it wouldn't help with his actual ice dancing.

Both Suzanne and Zaraah have had dance training so they have an advantage with that aspect. If you think about it the overall performance is about a) skating b) dancing and c) presentation

So imo they all have different past experiences which will help them, but Chris is made a big issue of all the time. At least he has come onto the show and admitted it from the word go - he seems to have worked hard and has consistently pushed himself each week. Imo he's not just taken the easy route, he's tried new things each week. But he's also improved with performance and dancing over the weeks.

If Jason thought it was an unfair advantage he should have said something earlier, not the week of the final! They've all worked hard and it's down to the public now. We can make our own minds up and don't need pointless comments making just to get a reaction.
ava2007
15-03-2008
Originally Posted by Donna16:
“What I don't get is why Jason has waited until now to say that he thinks Chris has an unfair advantage??? Frankie, Jayne, Chris and other professionals have stated that Chris having done Ice hockey previously may have helped him with balance and confidence on the ice, but it wouldn't help with his actual ice dancing.

Both Suzanne and Zaraah have had dance training so they have an advantage with that aspect. If you think about it the overall performance is about a) skating b) dancing and c) presentation

So imo they all have different past experiences which will help them, but Chris is made a big issue of all the time. At least he has come onto the show and admitted it from the word go - he seems to have worked hard and has consistently pushed himself each week. Imo he's not just taken the easy route, he's tried new things each week. But he's also improved with performance and dancing over the weeks.

If Jason thought it was an unfair advantage he should have said something earlier, not the week of the final! They've all worked hard and it's down to the public now. We can make our own minds up and don't need pointless comments making just to get a reaction.”

Yes I agree - but with Gareth gone now, they know that Chris will walk it - Suzanne's fan base is larger than Zaraah's but I think Chris' is larger than the two combined! I think only Gareth was a threat to Chris with the public vote.

People will vote for their favourite irrespective of how they perform on the night - though I am expecting something spectacular from Chris & Frankie just to prove all the knockers wrong and that he can actually PERFORM and show us that (so boring), so called MISSING connection.

Let's hope all three of them have a good night and perform to the best of their abilities, no mistakes or falls and they enjoy the experience.
cat69
15-03-2008
Originally Posted by marjangles:
“I don't really watch the show because I'm not in on a Sunday evening for various reasons although I have been known to watch the Saturday repeats.

I do have to say though that a supposedly impartial judge speaking out like this is a complete disgrace. He may only be pointing out the elephant in the room but such an obvious bias against someone is terrible and he should be removed from the judging panel.

Whether or not having been an ice hockey player is an advantage is debatable but I would say that Suzanne spends practically no time on the ice during her routines which tends to suggest to me that she is more 'Dancing in the Air and touching the ice from time to time' and in this competition I honestly believe that it is easier for the women.

In all honesty I'd rather see Zaraa win since she started later than they others and has had to skate off so often she deserves the break!

I do think it will be Chris though and good luck to him. He's worked as hard as the others and any advantage he had will have gone by the wayside now.”

also suzanne has trained as a dancer too so i would say she has an advantage too.i hope chris wins too
Donna16
15-03-2008
Originally Posted by ava2007:
“Yes I agree - but with Gareth gone now, they know that Chris will walk it - Suzanne's fan base is larger than Zaraah's but I think Chris' is larger than the two combined! I think only Gareth was a threat to Chris with the public vote.

People will vote for their favourite irrespective of how they perform on the night - though I am expecting something spectacular from Chris & Frankie just to prove all the knockers wrong and that he can actually PERFORM and show us that (so boring), so called MISSING connection.

Let's hope all three of them have a good night and perform to the best of their abilities, no mistakes or falls and they enjoy the experience.”

Yeah that would be the best final

I also hope they all perform to the best of their ability and have a great night

Good luck to all of them!!! And may the best win
Ignazio
15-03-2008
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slappers r us
16-03-2008
Originally Posted by ArtyAttack:
“I was reading an article by Nicky Slater today in the Daily Mail where he rates each of their chances. He felt that Chris had a small advantage in the beginning but has had to learn to dance. He also mentions that Suzanne is a trained gymnast and dancer and should do a spectacular wire routine this week.”

at least Nicky knows what hes talking about

unlike Jason
ava2007
16-03-2008
Jason's comments in the News of The World today (about all the finalists) is a disgrace - lets hope they all perform to the highest standard and force him to dish out some 6's - and then let the public have there say - good luck to all 3.
yellowlabbie
16-03-2008
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“at least Nicky knows what hes talking about

unlike Jason”

But he doesn't, is Suzanne a trained gymnast?
footygirl
16-03-2008
Shall we start a petition to get rid of Jason-he's irrelevant, and personal. That's not judging. That is bitching
Ignazio
16-03-2008
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“Shall we start a petition to get rid of Jason-he's irrelevant, and personal. That's not judging. That is bitching”

Sign me up
footygirl
16-03-2008
Keep signing up folks
dancingdemelza
16-03-2008
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“Shall we start a petition to get rid of Jason-he's irrelevant, and personal. That's not judging. That is bitching”

ITV won't be interested.

I've complained twice a few weeks apart to ITV about him, and have received replies saying it's a matter of individual opinion whether he's offensive or not.

I've also had two of my posts rejected from the ITV DOI forum because the posts were considered offensive - one was just a quote from a newspaper and not my words, so they just obviously don't want to hear.

I get the impression he's encouraged to be nasty by the producers, and that's why they won't listen to criticism of his bitchy, personal comments.

Presumably they think this is the only way to keep interest in the programme, when the reverse it actually true.

I won't allow him on my TV screen any more - I'll stick to 'Lark Rise to Candleford', which is real quality.
thenetworkbabe
16-03-2008
Originally Posted by ava2007:
“Jason's comments in the News of The World today (about all the finalists) is a disgrace - lets hope they all perform to the highest standard and force him to dish out some 6's - and then let the public have there say - good luck to all 3.”


Even sillier he criticised Suzanne for talking about injuries (though its not her making the VTs ) and praised Zaraah for not doing it. So what happens tonight - Zaraah's first VT is all about injuries. He then talks about Chris having no connection with his partner only to comment on the show that the connection is there.

As a commentator he is a pretty good example of when its better to say nothing.
slappers r us
16-03-2008
looks like he got what he wanted in the end
Ignazio
17-03-2008
I noticed during Zaraah's best bits that one week - I think it was week 7 - she was wearing yellow - she didn't perform well and ended up 2nd from bottom on the leader board. Jason was very gentle with her - said something like, "It just wasn't your week, my darling."

Now I wouldn't have wanted him to upset her - but contrast this with the way he spoke to Aggie, Steve and Greg. Even his criticisms of Suzanne on occasion were more harsh. She was very graceful and this is what appealed to him - but imo Zaraah was clearly his favourite.
GH Online
17-03-2008
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“looks like he got what he wanted in the end”

Chris' performance was not strong on the night and the best person won in the end. However, I do think the public was manipulated into voting as they did by way of the pre-performance commentaries for both Suzanne and Chris. In the case of Suzanne, much sob stories were made of how she was bravely soldiering on despite injury etc. while in Chris' case they delighted in telling you how he wasn't coping with the flying harness.
Tissy
17-03-2008
Originally Posted by GH Online:
“Chris' performance was not strong on the night and the best person won in the end. However, I do think the public was manipulated into voting as they did by way of the pre-performance commentaries for both Suzanne and Chris. In the case of Suzanne, much sob stories were made of how she was bravely soldiering on despite injury etc. while in Chris' case they delighted in telling you how he wasn't coping with the flying harness.”


Actually I think the majority of the public voted on the quality of the skating on the night.
jill1812
17-03-2008
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I noticed during Zaraah's best bits that one week - I think it was week 7 - she was wearing yellow - she didn't perform well and ended up 2nd from bottom on the leader board. Jason was very gentle with her - said something like, "It just wasn't your week, my darling."

Now I wouldn't have wanted him to upset her - but contrast this with the way he spoke to Aggie, Steve and Greg. Even his criticisms of Suzanne on occasion were more harsh. She was very graceful and this is what appealed to him - but imo Zaraah was clearly his favourite.”

I think that too. But in these shows it doesn't bother me unless they won't mark their favourite down when they do badly. When Zarrah did badly Jason did mark her down.

I thought Suzanne was Karen's favourite, but again Karen marked her down when she didn't do as well.
yellowlabbie
17-03-2008
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“Actually I think the majority of the public voted on the quality of the skating on the night.”

Yes, I agree
Mykey38
17-03-2008
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“Actually I think the majority of the public voted on the quality of the skating on the night.”

No they were brainwashed by ITV & NOTW.

Now if only David Cameron could learn from this..............
Veri
18-03-2008
Originally Posted by tinkerbell100:
“As yes and that hockey skating clearly gave Greg an advantage as well didn't it... oh no.. hang on a second, Greg was rubbish! (not that I don't love him - his leaping around the ice was truly magnificent entertainment!)”

Originally Posted by tinkerbell100:
“I suppose that's my point really, the ease on the ice didn't give him that much of an advantage because there are so many elements that go in to the final product. Chris has managed to combine the lot, not that I think he's perfect. I agree with Jason's comments last week, it wasn't flawless, and it could be better. All that said I just think he looks good on the ice, I enjoy watching him ”

Perhaps the word "advantage" is ambiguous or confusing, because it can seem that skating experience didn't give Greg much of an advantage, because when everything's added up, he didn't come out ahead.

But think of ... a boat race. If someone's given a head start, isn't that an (unfair) advantage, even if their boat turns out not to be as good as some of the others, and they aren't as good at sailing, and so they lose the race?

I think Greg was helped a lot by his skating experience. Just think of how much trouble the ones without such experience had with the required jump -- not only with the jump itself but also with nervousness about having to do it. Some of the performances were unusually shaky that week, and none of them put jumps into their other routines.

I also think Greg wouldn't have lasted as long as he did (or been as entertaining!) if his skating ability had been much less.
Ignazio
18-03-2008
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“I think that too. But in these shows it doesn't bother me unless they won't mark their favourite down when they do badly. When Zarrah did badly Jason did mark her down.

I thought Suzanne was Karen's favourite, but again Karen marked her down when she didn't do as well.”

Yes he did mark her down that week - but not enough attention was paid to her lack of icecraft.

I think Zaraah was quite vulnerable - and to be harsh would be a bit like kicking a puppy - but if someone, anyone had suggested that because her artistry was almost flawless, she could afford to concentrate more on her icecraft technique we might have seen a different Zaraah.

I really don't blame Zaraah - I blame those who didn't push her hard enough to deliver a routine that was balanced with artistry and technique.
Veri
18-03-2008
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Yes he did mark her down that week - but not enough attention was paid to her lack of icecraft.

I think Zaraah was quite vulnerable - and to be harsh would be a bit like kicking a puppy - but if someone, anyone had suggested that because her artistry was almost flawless, she could afford to concentrate more on her icecraft technique we might have seen a different Zaraah.

I really don't blame Zaraah - I blame those who didn't push her hard enough to deliver a routine that was balanced with artistry and technique.”

I agree, and I think something similar happened with Chris. His skating was so strong that he could have afforded to concentrate more on his interaction with his partner (than he did).

I think Matt and Suzanne had the best balance between the different elements, and integrated their skating better with the dance. For example, one thing that plays a big part in routines such as "Music" is simultaneous moves, where they're either doing the same thing in sync (whether in contact with each other or not), or else are doing complementary things; while in Chris's routines, Frankie tends to stand back a bit while Chris does something impressive. (That's something Robin may have had in mind when saying Suzanne and Matt looked like a pair team, because it's a big part of pair (figure) skating.)
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