I do agree that Suzanna skated well on the night (even though I voted for Chris like 6 times.....) but it was the 60/60 that made me feel sick! Sorry but they so set her up to win! If she had got the same scores as Chris he would have won. Not saying that she didn't deserve it, I'm saying the judges set her up to win!
So Who Did Have The Unfair Advantage????
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Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“or did Jasons negative press work the trick?”
“or did Jasons negative press work the trick?”
Well Suzanne had the advantage that she was the celeb and the man was the pro so she was able to be thrown around the air with grace and effect, feet off the ice in a way the male calebs can't do.
That's why Chris to me was the winner, the very fact he got Frankie off the ice showed great courage and skill.
Originally Posted by Tango Trish:
“IMO it has been engineered from day one for Suzanne to win - didn't do too bad tonight but perfect scores
did the judges not see the errors she made - they managed to spot Zaarahs and Chris's mmmmmm”
“IMO it has been engineered from day one for Suzanne to win - didn't do too bad tonight but perfect scores
did the judges not see the errors she made - they managed to spot Zaarahs and Chris's mmmmmm”
She got all 6's cos she was on last, so they didn't have to justify not giving the same to whoever came after her cos no one did.
She'd probably have got 6's if she'd fallen over cos you could tell they were all dying to do it.They'll have been in tears of relief she did NOT fall over so they could therefore give her all 6's even if she didn't deserve them.
Why are all the Chris fans so sure that the judges and production team wanted Suzanne to win?
Surely if they wanted Suzanne to win so much they would have made sure she danced the Belero first rather than second.
What would they get out of it that they couldnt get if Chris won?
Would ITV really risk tarnishing one of their flagship programmes with another vote scandal.
Surely if they wanted Suzanne to win so much they would have made sure she danced the Belero first rather than second.
What would they get out of it that they couldnt get if Chris won?
Would ITV really risk tarnishing one of their flagship programmes with another vote scandal.
OK, since you ask...
The entire show last night was manipulated to show Suzanne in a favourable light. On the night she turned out to be the best skater, but ITV were still bigging her up by highlighting how she had overcome injury, placing Philip in front of her supporters and showing her son at every given opportunity. By contrast, the commentary only highlighted what Chris struggled with, ie. the flying harness.
Or not - a case of "saving the best till last"?
Erm...someone who could do the whole tour as opposed to someone who was tied down by his soap commitments?
In a word - YES. ITV have already crassly made clear their intention to continue with premium vote telephone lines in spite of last year's scandals, and don't forget you had to vote twice last night. I didn't - ITV plc weren't having any of my cash.
Originally Posted by Mykey38:
“Why are all the Chris fans so sure that the judges and production team wanted Suzanne to win?”
“Why are all the Chris fans so sure that the judges and production team wanted Suzanne to win?”
The entire show last night was manipulated to show Suzanne in a favourable light. On the night she turned out to be the best skater, but ITV were still bigging her up by highlighting how she had overcome injury, placing Philip in front of her supporters and showing her son at every given opportunity. By contrast, the commentary only highlighted what Chris struggled with, ie. the flying harness.
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“Surely if they wanted Suzanne to win so much they would have made sure she danced the Belero first rather than second.”
“Surely if they wanted Suzanne to win so much they would have made sure she danced the Belero first rather than second.”
Or not - a case of "saving the best till last"?
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“What would they get out of it that they couldnt get if Chris won?”
“What would they get out of it that they couldnt get if Chris won?”
Erm...someone who could do the whole tour as opposed to someone who was tied down by his soap commitments?
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“Would ITV really risk tarnishing one of their flagship programmes with another vote scandal.”
“Would ITV really risk tarnishing one of their flagship programmes with another vote scandal.”
In a word - YES. ITV have already crassly made clear their intention to continue with premium vote telephone lines in spite of last year's scandals, and don't forget you had to vote twice last night. I didn't - ITV plc weren't having any of my cash.
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“over the shows I dont think anyone had an unfair advantage
but I do think females have an advantage in the final
IMO the wire work is much more difficult or males (and may I add everyone agreed with this in last years final and comments made by Stephan in the first year)
A woman can look so much more elegant when being towed round by a man
plus the Bolero is more suited to a female than a male”
“over the shows I dont think anyone had an unfair advantage
but I do think females have an advantage in the final
IMO the wire work is much more difficult or males (and may I add everyone agreed with this in last years final and comments made by Stephan in the first year)
A woman can look so much more elegant when being towed round by a man
plus the Bolero is more suited to a female than a male”
Tell that to Christopher Dean.
Originally Posted by GH Online:
“The entire show last night was manipulated to show Suzanne in a favourable light. On the night she turned out to be the best skater, but ITV were still bigging her up by highlighting how she had overcome injury, placing Philip in front of her supporters and showing her son at every given opportunity.”
“The entire show last night was manipulated to show Suzanne in a favourable light. On the night she turned out to be the best skater, but ITV were still bigging her up by highlighting how she had overcome injury, placing Philip in front of her supporters and showing her son at every given opportunity.”
Maybe Chris' "special friend" was working and so couldnt be there. He should really have fathered some children to ensure equality on the night
Originally Posted by GH Online:
“Or not - a case of "saving the best till last"?”
“Or not - a case of "saving the best till last"?”
because they had the gift of aftersight then
Originally Posted by GH Online:
“Erm...someone who could do the whole tour as opposed to someone who was tied down by his soap commitments?”
“Erm...someone who could do the whole tour as opposed to someone who was tied down by his soap commitments?”
So he isnt doing the tour then?
ITV have cocked up there
Originally Posted by GH Online:
“you had to vote twice last night.”
“you had to vote twice last night.”
Sorry I didnt know I had to vote twice - I didnt vote at all, does that mean I cant watch next year?
Originally Posted by Mykey38:
“Maybe Chris' "special friend" was working and so couldnt be there. He should really have fathered some children to ensure equality on the night”
“Maybe Chris' "special friend" was working and so couldnt be there. He should really have fathered some children to ensure equality on the night”
And who might this "special friend" have been? I notice only one member of the Hollyoaks cast there - and he's been sacked!
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“So he isnt doing the tour then?
ITV have cocked up there”
“So he isnt doing the tour then?
ITV have cocked up there”
As I understand it he isn't doing the whole tour because of his commitment to Hollyoaks. And he took weeks to agree to just that. ITV obviously didn't want a winner who was unable to make the full commitment.
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“Sorry I didnt know I had to vote twice - I didnt vote at all, does that mean I cant watch next year?”
“Sorry I didnt know I had to vote twice - I didnt vote at all, does that mean I cant watch next year?”
Viewers originally had to vote in the normal way; based on that Zaraah was eliminated; then there was a second vote after the Bolero.
"As I understand it he isn't doing the whole tour because of his commitment to Hollyoaks. And he took weeks to agree to just that. ITV obviously didn't want a winner who was unable to make the full commitment".
But neither is Suzanne as she has a commitment to presenting "Bingo Lotto".
But neither is Suzanne as she has a commitment to presenting "Bingo Lotto".
Originally Posted by GH Online:
“And who might this "special friend" have been? I notice only one member of the Hollyoaks cast there - and he's been sacked!”
“And who might this "special friend" have been? I notice only one member of the Hollyoaks cast there - and he's been sacked!”
Did you not read the Digitalspy website
Originally Posted by GH Online:
“Viewers originally had to vote in the normal way; based on that Zaraah was eliminated; then there was a second vote after the Bolero.”
“Viewers originally had to vote in the normal way; based on that Zaraah was eliminated; then there was a second vote after the Bolero.”
But you didnt "have" to vote
Originally Posted by Sallyforth:
“"As I understand it he isn't doing the whole tour because of his commitment to Hollyoaks. And he took weeks to agree to just that. ITV obviously didn't want a winner who was unable to make the full commitment".
But neither is Suzanne as she has a commitment to presenting "Bingo Lotto".”
“"As I understand it he isn't doing the whole tour because of his commitment to Hollyoaks. And he took weeks to agree to just that. ITV obviously didn't want a winner who was unable to make the full commitment".
But neither is Suzanne as she has a commitment to presenting "Bingo Lotto".”
wow the giddy heights!
chris is actually a talented actor in a very popular soap who simply doesnt have the time to commit to the whole tour,hes the only one with a current successful career and there lies your answer as to why last nights events happened..you cant compare flashing your chest on "bingo lotto" to the depth of commitment and time chris has to give to "hollyoaks"!
Originally Posted by bluejools:
“wow the giddy heights!
chris is actually a talented actor in a very popular soap who simply doesnt have the time to commit to the whole tour,hes the only one with a current successful career and there lies your answer as to why last nights events happened..you cant compare flashing your chest on "bingo lotto" to the depth of commitment and time chris has to give to "hollyoaks"!”
“wow the giddy heights!
chris is actually a talented actor in a very popular soap who simply doesnt have the time to commit to the whole tour,hes the only one with a current successful career and there lies your answer as to why last nights events happened..you cant compare flashing your chest on "bingo lotto" to the depth of commitment and time chris has to give to "hollyoaks"!”
As a fan then do you not feel cheated that you may not be able to see him on tour because of his other comittments?
He would certainly have known that a tour was planned and that he would in all likelyhood be required to appear.
Originally Posted by norbitonite:
“Tell that to Christopher Dean.”
“Tell that to Christopher Dean.”
well he isnt the one everyone watches the most, a lot watch Jayne the male is there to show off the female
Originally Posted by Mykey38:
“Why are all the Chris fans so sure that the judges and production team wanted Suzanne to win?
Surely if they wanted Suzanne to win so much they would have made sure she danced the Belero first rather than second.
What would they get out of it that they couldnt get if Chris won?
Would ITV really risk tarnishing one of their flagship programmes with another vote scandal.”
“Why are all the Chris fans so sure that the judges and production team wanted Suzanne to win?
Surely if they wanted Suzanne to win so much they would have made sure she danced the Belero first rather than second.
What would they get out of it that they couldnt get if Chris won?
Would ITV really risk tarnishing one of their flagship programmes with another vote scandal.”
constant reminders last night on how Suzanne had battled through her various injuries and illnesses, the ahhh factor of her son who was mentioned umpteen times and her journey from her no skating status (no mention of her previous experience
)constant reminders on morning programmes and in interviews this last week that Chris had an unfair advantage not to mention one very very biased judge plus a voting system that left a lot to be desired
What would they get out of it ????
a winner that can do the FULL DOI tour
Originally Posted by Mykey38:
“As a fan then do you not feel cheated that you may not be able to see him on tour because of his other comittments?
He would certainly have known that a tour was planned and that he would in all likelyhood be required to appear.”
“As a fan then do you not feel cheated that you may not be able to see him on tour because of his other comittments?
He would certainly have known that a tour was planned and that he would in all likelyhood be required to appear.”
as a fan i respect chris has commitments and im glad hes working in such a popular show rather than sitting round waiting for jobs to come along..anyway im only down the road from "hollyoaks"so i can see him any time i want!
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“constant reminders last night on how Suzanne had battled through her various injuries and illnesses, the ahhh factor of her son who was mentioned umpteen times and her journey from her no skating status (no mention of her previous experience)
constant reminders on morning programmes and in interviews this last week that Chris had an unfair advantage not to mention one very very biased judge plus a voting system that left a lot to be desired
What would they get out of it ????
a winner that can do the FULL DOI tour”
“constant reminders last night on how Suzanne had battled through her various injuries and illnesses, the ahhh factor of her son who was mentioned umpteen times and her journey from her no skating status (no mention of her previous experience
)constant reminders on morning programmes and in interviews this last week that Chris had an unfair advantage not to mention one very very biased judge plus a voting system that left a lot to be desired
What would they get out of it ????
a winner that can do the FULL DOI tour”
So in your opinion there isnt the slightest chance that Suzanne won because she was the produced the best performance on the night and thats what the public voted on?
Originally Posted by bluejools:
“as a fan i respect chris has commitments and im glad hes working in such a popular show rather than sitting round waiting for jobs to come along..anyway im only down the road from "hollyoaks"so i can see him any time i want!”
“as a fan i respect chris has commitments and im glad hes working in such a popular show rather than sitting round waiting for jobs to come along..anyway im only down the road from "hollyoaks"so i can see him any time i want!
”
oh Ok your alright the 1000s of other fans who voted get short changed but thats fine by you
Originally Posted by Mykey38:
“oh Ok your alright the 1000s of other fans who voted get short changed but thats fine by you”
“oh Ok your alright the 1000s of other fans who voted get short changed but thats fine by you”
please dont twist my words.. i personally wouldnt bother going to the show unless chris were in it..im guessing the majority of his fans wouldnt either and the same would probably apply to the fans of the other skaters.i went to the x factor tour and enjoyed the other acts but i wouldnt have bothered forking out if leon hadnt been playing!
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“constant reminders last night on how Suzanne had battled through her various injuries and illnesses, the ahhh factor of her son who was mentioned umpteen times and her journey from her no skating status (no mention of her previous experience)
constant reminders on morning programmes and in interviews this last week that Chris had an unfair advantage not to mention one very very biased judge plus a voting system that left a lot to be desired
What would they get out of it ????
a winner that can do the FULL DOI tour”
“constant reminders last night on how Suzanne had battled through her various injuries and illnesses, the ahhh factor of her son who was mentioned umpteen times and her journey from her no skating status (no mention of her previous experience
)constant reminders on morning programmes and in interviews this last week that Chris had an unfair advantage not to mention one very very biased judge plus a voting system that left a lot to be desired
What would they get out of it ????
a winner that can do the FULL DOI tour”
great post slappers r us and sadly very true!
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“constant reminders last night on how Suzanne had battled through her various injuries and illnesses, the ahhh factor of her son who was mentioned umpteen times and her journey from her no skating status (no mention of her previous experience)
constant reminders on morning programmes and in interviews this last week that Chris had an unfair advantage not to mention one very very biased judge plus a voting system that left a lot to be desired
What would they get out of it ????
a winner that can do the FULL DOI tour”
“constant reminders last night on how Suzanne had battled through her various injuries and illnesses, the ahhh factor of her son who was mentioned umpteen times and her journey from her no skating status (no mention of her previous experience
)constant reminders on morning programmes and in interviews this last week that Chris had an unfair advantage not to mention one very very biased judge plus a voting system that left a lot to be desired
What would they get out of it ????
a winner that can do the FULL DOI tour”
No mention of Zaraah's injury then? From where I was sitting we got chapter and verse on her damaged ribs. Not her fault of course, down to the editing; but why single out Suzanne?
Yes a lot of unfair comment on Chris's previous skating experience plus just as much about Suzanne's dancing and gymnastics experience. Very little throughout the series about the fact that Zaraah is a trained dance teacher.
imo there was one department in which Suzanne won hands down - and that was in the ability to interpret the music and 'act,' the part. Her performances last night were memorable for two reasons - the partnership with Matt and the emotion she brought into each routine. Chris was at a clear disadvantage with the wires - probably concentrating more on getting through the routine than facial expressions - but he surprised me with Bolero - that was an emotional performance. Zaraah, for me, despite her grace in the air barely changed expression once she started a routine - surprising for an actress.
I honestly think Suzanne was the whole package - Chris a brilliant skater, but they kept handing him fast numbers and I don't think he was given enough opportunity throughout the series to show his acting skills.
Originally Posted by Mykey38:
“Why are all the Chris fans so sure that the judges and production team wanted Suzanne to win?
Surely if they wanted Suzanne to win so much they would have made sure she danced the Belero first rather than second.
What would they get out of it that they couldnt get if Chris won?
Would ITV really risk tarnishing one of their flagship programmes with another vote scandal.”
“Why are all the Chris fans so sure that the judges and production team wanted Suzanne to win?
Surely if they wanted Suzanne to win so much they would have made sure she danced the Belero first rather than second.
What would they get out of it that they couldnt get if Chris won?
Would ITV really risk tarnishing one of their flagship programmes with another vote scandal.”
Could you generalise any more then that? I don't think so. I am one of Chris' biggest fans yet I don't think it was rigged. I think Suzanne simply skated better and so people voted for her. Chris was off his game last night until it came to the Bolero performance but by that time the damage had already been done.
Suzanne has always defended Chris' ice hockey background, she's said in every interview this week that she thought the final was very even, cos her n zaraah had dance experience n chris had skating, so it balanced...
shes been nothing but nice about chris n chris has been nice about her... why all the s*it from the fans??
shes been nothing but nice about chris n chris has been nice about her... why all the s*it from the fans??
yes, even chris fans who say dancing was more of an advantage than skating must concede that therefore the person with the biggest advantgae was in fact zaraah and not suzanne...
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