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So Who Did Have The Unfair Advantage????
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Katenutzs
17-03-2008
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Oh yes - and Linda had an advantage 'cos Dan has a huge fanbase - of course Michael would have won if someone hadn't fixed it for his foot to be broken and Sarah had to go so that Zaraah could come in - now have I left anyone out?”

I am sure we can think of a few more if we really try
Katenutzs
17-03-2008
Originally Posted by Mykey38:
“Now if only Gareth had small children who could cry on demand...........................”

no no Gareths child would always be smiling like him, lol
icedragon
17-03-2008
Originally Posted by Mykey38:
“I have to disagree with you on that as I thought Chris' performance didnt flow at all and at times looked like he struggling badly.

I thought that Zaraahs was much better, mind you shed didnt appear to touch the ice very often did she”

But Zaraah simply held one (admittedly pretty) upright position through the whole routine no matter what Fred did to her. Ok she may have gone horizontal a bit but the legs did not move - no forward and back tumbles like Chris did or upside downs and when he picked Frankie up that was great.

Some of Chris's was bit clumsy but at least he did something rather than just hang there.

Neither of them were a patch on Suzanne's but I just wouldnt' have had Chris below Zaraah on the basis that I don't think just hanging there prettily is very deserving. She landed once only (from a very gentle rock by Fred at the start) and then never touched the ice again.
jill1812
17-03-2008
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“I don't agree - the standard seems to go up every year. Kieran wasn't as good as Chris even by the end of the show. (He wouldn't have attempted the spins that Chris did or the axle jump) although he had a joie de vivre that was very infectious. Claire was very close in standard to Suzanne, though I'd give Suzanne the edge for sheer bravery. If Zaraah had come in to the competition from the start she would have been closer to the other two by the end.

I just wonder who you felt was anywhere near Chris's standard last year apart from Kieran?”

I think Suzanne and Clare were equally as brave. Some of the lifts Clare did were incredible.

Kyran did a half axel last year, but he had a personality on the ice and a connection with his pro that Chris never had.

I know Zarrah was practising as long as the others but I'm sure it was to the same intensity. Had she started she would've had longer with Fred they would have had time more time to get better, she may have got up to Suzanne's level.
icedragon
17-03-2008
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“I think Suzanne and Clare were equally as brave. Some of the lifts Clare did were incredible.

Kyran did a half axel last year, but he had a personality on the ice and a connection with his pro that Chris never had.

I know Zarrah was practising as long as the others but I'm sure it was to the same intensity. Had she started she would've had longer with Fred they would have had time more time to get better, she may have got up to Suzanne's level.”

A half axel?????? 3 quarters of a turn???

I thought he just did a 3 jump which is a third of an axel.
memmh
17-03-2008
Was it just me who found it weird that the phone lines to vote for the Bolero performances opened before either couple had skated their Boleros

Phillip Schofield definitely made the announcement that the lines were open before the performances.
icedragon
17-03-2008
Originally Posted by memmh:
“Was it just me who found it weird that the phone lines to vote for the Bolero performances opened before either couple had skated their Boleros

Phillip Schofield definitely made the announcement that the lines were open before the performances.”

They didnt' have much choice really as they left themselves no time to get votes in after the Boleros. That meant a lot of people would vote on what they had seen already and the Boleros probaby had less of an effect on the voting.
jill1812
18-03-2008
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“A half axel?????? 3 quarters of a turn???

I thought he just did a 3 jump which is a third of an axel.”

I'm only going on what the great Gubba said!
icedragon
18-03-2008
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“I'm only going on what the great Gubba said! ”


Ah - I think he makes names up. I've watched skating for years and have never heard of half the stuff he comes out with. There's definitely no such thing as a half axel. A half loop and a half flip and even a half lutz you can have, but no half axels (unless it's gone very wrong I guess!)
slappers r us
18-03-2008
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“I would say Chris was undermarked by Jason and Ruthie in the 'flying' bit as he was better than Zaraah who simply went up and held one position while being pulled around by the lovely Fred.

Chris actually gave a performance and the 3 skating judges marked more fairly than the 'dance ' judges on that one.

Suzanne did have an advantage in the flying, being such a good dancer and did several very precise take offs and landings on different parts of the blade as well as some spectacular positions in the air and pulling Matt along while being upside down.

I expected Chris to be able to capitalise more on his skating experience in the second routine but I thought he looked quite nervous in his performance.”

I tend to agree with these comments

but Chris and Frankies Bolero just edged it for me
jill1812
18-03-2008
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“Ah - I think he makes names up. I've watched skating for years and have never heard of half the stuff he comes out with. There's definitely no such thing as a half axel. A half loop and a half flip and even a half lutz you can have, but no half axels (unless it's gone very wrong I guess!)”

I'll bow to your greater knowledge.

My point remains the same Chris may be technically better but he doesn't seem to have the same joy Kyran had and Kyran had a better connetion with his partner.
Charisma2
18-03-2008
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“If Zaraah had come in to the competition from the start she would have been closer to the other two by the end.”

I don't get all this talk about Zaraah. She actually was only in the competition TWO weeks less than all the others and she'd been practicing as long as the rest of them. She may have been doing the lifts come the end due to her confidence in Fred, but other than that I don't think her actual skating on the ice, or her connection with Fred was any better than Linda's was when she went out, after competing less weeks overall than Zaraah.
Katenutzs
18-03-2008
Originally Posted by Charisma2:
“I don't get all this talk about Zaraah. She actually was only in the competition TWO weeks less than all the others and she'd been practicing as long as the rest of them. She may have been doing the lifts come the end due to her confidence in Fred, but other than that I don't think her actual skating on the ice, or her connection with Fred was any better than Linda's was when she went out, after competing less weeks overall than Zaraah.”

I agree with you, Zaraah could pull of the lifts but not with the style Suzanne did but Zaraah could not skate smoothly alone, in fact her 2 feet were welded to the ground.

She started practicing with all the others in November and just missed the 1st 2 shows so I cant see any disavantage to her there. In fact she is a qualified dance teacher so had an edge on lines and grace in dance.

Also in that particular skate off Linda did the required element which Zaraah didn't so she was given an advantage in that she was allowed through without doing what was required of her.
shanesgirl85
18-03-2008
Originally Posted by Katenutzs:
“I dont think his remarks helped but on the night Suzanne was better ”

I agree suzanne was better on the night but his flying was good as he was doing actual skating too and not just flying.
SunriseSunset
18-03-2008
Originally Posted by Tango Trish:
“IMO it has been engineered from day one for Suzanne to win - didn't do too bad tonight but perfect scores did the judges not see the errors she made - they managed to spot Zaarahs and Chris's mmmmmm”

Thank you! These bosses choose and edit footage and influence the judges any way they want to, and once again Britain falls for it. Obviously the guy had the Hollyoaks fanbase, and Suzanne had the mum fanbase...poor Zaraah had to rely on talent alone.

Plus after watching all their performances, I felt that Suzanne's was better than the rest. Not her and her partner, but the routine itself e.g. the spinning bit at the end. I think it would only be fair if they'd all done the exact same routine, like they do with the final song in the X Factor, that way you can compare.
icedragon
18-03-2008
Originally Posted by SunriseSunset:
“Thank you! These bosses choose and edit footage and influence the judges any way they want to, and once again Britain falls for it. Obviously the guy had the Hollyoaks fanbase, and Suzanne had the mum fanbase...poor Zaraah had to rely on talent alone.

Plus after watching all their performances, I felt that Suzanne's was better than the rest. Not her and her partner, but the routine itself e.g. the spinning bit at the end. I think it would only be fair if they'd all done the exact same routine, like they do with the final song in the X Factor, that way you can compare.”


But Zarraah wasn't capable of doing what Suzanne did otherwise for sure she'd have done it. The choreography had to work with what the skaters could do. And they couldn't really ask everyone to do an axel for example in a routine since the others were still learning the first jumps that Chris could already do. You'd have to have a routine geared to the weakest skater. But then why shouldnt' those who can do more have an opportunity to show it?

Songs are different in that everyone can attempt even a difficult song and you can instantly see who is best but in skating different people have different strengths and the choreography is there to make the best of what they can do.
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