yes thats it im being a typcial brit moaning-and for your information i dont even like nush

What does it matter if Cam's text line was closed before Nush's? The phone line is still up for another 20 mins after the text and interactive lines close. He wasnt likely to have missed many votes. Not enough to have added another 500 000 to his total. The majority of voting is done earlier on in the week not in the last 5 mins.
Its sour grapes because the one you wanted to go out didnt. You want to remember that the person you vote for doesnt automatically go out. Publics opinion

No they wouldn't get into trouble.

If they wish to manipulate the voting lines,...they can do it legally

And as for the media being all over them,....how could they prove a fix?

[size=2]Of course it's sour grapes[/size],....what sort of accusation is that??

I'd be pissed off too if I'd been spending money for weeks on voting, only to discover that my votes didn't count.

Of course it's sour grapes,..of course people are going to be bitter,...who in their right mind wouldn't be?

If C4 were indeed rigging the result, they would be guily of fraud and criminal misrepresentation - do you really think the company is this stupid? They would have their broadcasting licence revoked. Get real...

Every time a HM gets evicted their fans in this forum claim a phone line/text fix. It's the same boring story week in week out. One bitter fan writes a post claiming that his/her gran somehow managed to get through to a voting line 10 minutes after he/she found lines closed. Whether it is true or not is not the purpose of the post. The purpose of these posts is to stir up conspiracy theories and to somehow convince themselves that their hero has been evicted unjustly. It's a way to help them deal with the anger they are feeling at the losss of the HM and the money they have wasted on phone calls. It's just denial therapy.

It's sad. I know, but if it helps them cope with their grief then we should just let them get on with their fantasies and talk about more important matters.

No they wouldn't.

Go and read their terms and conditions...There are plenty of ways they can do it and they would not be held acountable.

Look,..this is f*cking ridiculous,......you always hear this minority of Cameron fans who complain that everyone is picking on them for supporting Cameron,......but on this thread, many people are justifiably expressing their opinions on the inconsisitencies with the voting lines.

Then these same Cameron fans come onto this thread and start attacking them.

Give these guys a break will you it's f*ck all to do with Cameron himself,....these guys have lost money, ..and you come on here being patronizing and sarcastic.

I hardly ever have a go at FMs, but I've got to say that some of you are simply just starting an arguement over Cameron that doesn't exist in this thread.

(And I'm not talking about all Cameron fans at all,..just ones who play the martyr, and attack other FMs)

I hate to pour cold water on your little conspiracy theories, but the text voting line for Cameron could not have closed before the one for Nush because THEY ARE THE SAME LINE!

All votes go to the same number, 85444. The messages are then sorted by content, i.e. those that say VOTE NUSH go in one pile and those that say VOTE CAMERON go in another and both are counted.

In writing this I have just realised another devious aspect to the conspiracy, Cameron's name is longer than Nush's (and Jon's!!!) so people will be put off voting for him by having to key in more letters. The bastards!

Excuse me? The rules have nothing to do with it - that is the basis of the contract between c4 and the hms -which the public is not a party to.

Vote rigging is fraud and misrepresentation - irrespective of the and Ts & Cs - against those voting not the HMs and is very much a criminal act. A criminal act is grounds for revocation of C4's broadcasting licence.

As a solicitor, I'd be very interested on your view has to how 'they would not be accountable', esp given the precedence of criminal law over civil...

Well,...if you'd just go and read them....

I apologise to anybody who has read the link to this thread before,....but some people may not have, and it's relevant to this particular thread.

Loopholes which MAY allow direct manipulation of the BB voting

And if anybody can tell me in what way it's possible to "Fraudulently mass vote",...it may clear at least one question up.

A voice of reason and sensibility.....at last.

I am sure that they have not; but I am gobsmacked that Ch4, could not be charged with anything if they rigged the votes though

Si!

I have read them and they can not avoid criminal action for misrepresentation or fraud, which they are not seeking to so do anyway. C4 can not just disqualify votes on a whim -that is why their telephone regulator insists on impartial audit and adjudication of votes.

Ts & Cs of voting are the basis of a contract between C4 and the voter - as I have said, a contract does not mitigate criminal action.

A contract which has been fulfilled upon the basis of a criminal act, ie vote rigging, is not only unenforcable (ie everyone can ask for the cost of their vote back), it presents grounds for breach of contract (from the voter) and doesn't derogate criminal responsibility.

As I said, I would be interested in your views.. I didn't expect 'go read the ts and cs' as a response, which is blatant ignorance....Do you actually have an informed view or not?

I think there have been too many dubious accusations thrown up this year and some regulatory body may well look into it, because regardless of what rules exist, if anyone's vote was accepted by phone or text and money obtained, but it turned out that the number of votes made differed substantially from the votes total given out, then it's obtaining money by decption which is a serious fraud.

The problem is that the only way this would happen is if someone within the endemol/channel 4 setup chose to blow the whistle.

Then it would have serious ramifications and C4 would dump on endemol, because it would be the only way to avoid a serious humiliation within their own industry, the like of which has never happened in this country. It happened in the States on the 50's show, which gave rise to the 'Quiz Show' fim, but it's never happened here.

In theory, endemol would have to prove too much and could lose everything. You use consumer organisations to fight your cause if necessary when BT (as one example) get out of hand, then county court, and you can get refunds. If endemol were shown to need to do the same they probably wouldn't be able to physically itemise who did or didn't require refunds and so a massive fine would have to be the alternative, and by massive it would need to be more than jyust a few million, due to the suspicion which would arise that this may have happened on previous series. If that led to actions in other territories, they'd go bust.

It is something which they wouldn't be able to avoid, but it will only happen if someone from within has collated evidence.

Thank you for a reasoned and informed response. The offence is actually 'taking/obtaining monies by deception' a small point However, from a crimial view point, I would suggest Criminal Misrepresentation is the more likely offence to be prosecuted.

Look,....I asked you to read the terms and conditions,...and I was not being in any way ignorant to you,...I was being respectful.
I expected you to read them, and let me know what you thought of them.....I would have respected your thoughts on the issue.

I did answer you,...I gave you a link to an earlier post of mine,...I think it's extrememly arrogant of yourself if you couldn't be bothered to click on the link.
But I understand that you are new to this forum, and this subject has been raised many times before....I'm not going to repeat every single post I've made in the past, I'll link you to it.....It's a shame that you find that ignorant.
I myself think it's ignorant of yourself to not even bother clicking on the link.

Do you have an informed view?.....Do you know what legal contract that CH4 holds that can protect itself?
If you don't,...then you need a more informed view.

I haven't an attitude with you, and I didn't intend to offend you. If I have, then I unreservedly apologise. I think this is the nature of my job

I think that everyone has to except that it is extremely unlikely that C4 would 'fix' the voting. That they withold the right to disquality fradulent votes is standard -without exception, every poll has the same exclusion - and not an excuse to 'carte blanche' cheat. As I said, C4 isn't seeking an excuse to cheat, hence it abides by all audit/adjudication guidelines.

Anyway, thanks for the 'chat', perhaps -at the risk of getting heated -we should end it here

Maybe we could get them with the Trades Description Act. They are blatantly claiming that BB4 is entertaining.
Quod erat Demonstrandum... as we say down the pub.

As I said, no contract can derogate criminal responsibility... But as I further said, maybe this is the time to end this thread....

Hang on a minute,..what are you talking about the rules?
And what's this about the terms and conditions being between CH4 and the HMs?

You haven't read the bloody terms and conditions at all have you?...So why tell me that you have?

And you have the nerve to call me ignorant.

And there's me thinking I'd said something wrong to you.

Errr,...no, this isn't your thread. This thread is about people who are asking valid questions about the voting.

I'll leave the thread,.....and you just go back to where you came from if you wish....and let people continue if they wish.

Okay,....I just didn't understand why you took opposition to me.

Well, I don't mind if you want to carry on chatting,..I can cool down again.

Honestly, I'm just as questioning as anybody else,...all I do know is that it's very difficult to pin anything on CH4 in the means of an accusation....Needs a lot of thought.

If you are a lawyer, then maybe you should stay in the thread as you may have more to offer than me.

Okay,..no hard feelings I hope.

Good points fauntleroy but notice that your post has gone unheeded. That's because the people who dream up these conspiracy theories don't want to acknowledge the truth and choose to ignore anything that destroys their fantasies.