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Old 19-07-2003, 08:56
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Originally posted by thms

at the end of the day a lot of what jon said to nush was private and should not have been broadcast by endemol

NOTHING is "private" in the Big Brother house - that's the whole point of the show!
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Old 19-07-2003, 09:01
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he also told her how much the others got for selling their stories so she could stand firm for a decent offer

he reassured her about the reaction she would get from the crowd

he didn't say she should sue a newspaper but that whatever happened the tabloids would print lies about her

after the chat she told him he was the nicest and most genuine boy in the house, she was so sorry for nominating him and so glad that he had been back in for her final week - she was genuinely concerned that he was in trouble for talking to her and she made sure he was the last person she hugged before she left the house

so SHE obviously appreciated the thought
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Old 19-07-2003, 09:31
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Jon just wanted to appear important- that's all there is to it. I liked Jon when he was first in the house, but since leaving BB house first time around he has become a nightmare. How big is his ego, no wonder his new best friend is Lisa- they have so much in common. And as for Jon's worshiping disciple Fed (Boooooo) he is trying so hard to be "controversial" and failing miserably. He is making a right prat of himself coming out with rude offensive comments everyday on RISE. Obviously not making enough money (Thanks Jon for telling us that!)
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Old 19-07-2003, 10:30
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I've never been keen on Jon but last night he made me so angry. What right did he have to ruin Nush's last hour. He is a big head, arrogant and should of been thrown out the back door there and then. The poor girl was'nt interested all she wanted was to get ready and see her family. Who did he think he was, her agent.
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Old 19-07-2003, 11:17
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Wow, all you Jon haters are really showing your malevolance against him with all this stuff. Jon does a decent thing which was totally unselfish and suddenly he's being self-important and an arsehole. Well I'm pretty glad I won't bump to any of you people in the street. If you want to properly respond, why dont you try actually backing up your opinion with some evidence.
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Old 19-07-2003, 11:21
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Originally posted by PhattMatt
Wow, all you Jon haters are really showing your malevolance against him with all this stuff. Jon does a decent thing which was totally unselfish and suddenly he's being self-important and an arsehole. Well I'm pretty glad I won't bump to any of you people in the street. If you want to properly respond, why dont you try actually backing up your opinion with some evidence.
A voice of reason shining through. Jon tried to give Nush some "media training" and Nush hugged him for it. That's it.

And Cameron declares yet again an implicit desire to punch Jon's lights out.

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Old 19-07-2003, 11:45
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Originally posted by Harmston
Throughout the whole episode Jon achieved one thing -he made himself look a big tosser than ever...which I thought would have been impossible.
But you're the one who's banned and he isn't......What?...No come back?...I must be right then.
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Old 19-07-2003, 11:47
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Originally posted by camaj
So you think that was a lie? You know this how? Big deal? Should he have consulted you to see what you thought was important enough for him to mention?




Hopefully not the same one as you! Nush doesn't have to take his advice and as a peniless student she'd have more to gain than most. I didn't hear any of this BTW. I wouldn't suggest suing a paper if you want to earn some money/fame from BB add to the fact you'd loose. Unless it was the newspaper who broadcast that message into the house
On what basis could Nush sue the journalist? She couldn't as his actions were not in the slightest tortuous. (ie giving rise to a civil suit) He stated a fact, nothing more, nothing less. If she wanted to sue anyone, based upon what I've seen and read, only the NOTW (the maniac screwdriver piece) would be a candidate but she'd have zero chance as she has zero money - legal aid isn't available for defamation suits. Besides she would have to establish 1) it was false or, in a few situations, true but based upon malicious intent to damage her reputation 2) that she suffered loss as a consequence of the defamation . In summary, she'd have no chance. I agree with Harmston -lousy advice Jon, stick to something you actually know something about...
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Old 19-07-2003, 11:53
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i agree but i dont agree with what jon said.
Shes not 5 i'm sure she knows what to do and what not to do and if she wants to be a celeb ligger then so what ? but it was good he gave her a little prep talk.
N e way he admitted to really fancyin her so maybe that was the reasony he did it. i dont think hewould have told cameorn if he was evicted.
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Old 19-07-2003, 12:19
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Originally posted by CameraMan
Why did Jon think nush needed telling live on TV about what to expect? It was a rather patronising and embarrassing thing to do - he must have felt it was worth it.

Was it because he knows that she, out of all the housemates, couldn't handle it? Because he knows that she's a media whore and will make a fool of herself like Justine? He even had to tell her not to lig. Tania (who is younger) has managed the media perfectly, why does he know that nush can't? Born ligger? Just patronising, or does he know full well that she will and therefore get a bad name for herself in the days after leaving the house?
He just did it to big himself up in front of Nush. He wants to be her saviour/protector/hero. Nothing wrong with that, but hardly a selfless act. He wouldn't have done it for Cameron.

He didn't tell her anything of much interest anyway. Be advised by an agent, Media will be interested, Sunday papers pay the most. She would have been told all this within a hour of leaving the house.
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Old 19-07-2003, 12:29
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Jon fancies Nush.

Duh.
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Old 19-07-2003, 13:29
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Originally posted by cleo
He just did it to big himself up in front of Nush. He wants to be her saviour/protector/hero. Nothing wrong with that, but hardly a selfless act. He wouldn't have done it for Cameron.

He didn't tell her anything of much interest anyway. Be advised by an agent, Media will be interested, Sunday papers pay the most. She would have been told all this within a hour of leaving the house.
dont agree im afraid.....i think that john realised how worried Nush was about going out and felt that to let her know the procedure following eviction would make things easier.
despite all the john bashing on here and depite the fact that i am not a great john lover i do believe that he has always shown himself to be a fair and kind bloke......he liked nush a lot and was trying to be kind ...no more no less.
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Old 19-07-2003, 13:31
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Originally posted by cleo
He just did it to big himself up in front of Nush. He wants to be her saviour/protector/hero. Nothing wrong with that, but hardly a selfless act. He wouldn't have done it for Cameron.
No, of course Jon wouldn't have done it for Cameron - because he doesn't like him.
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Old 19-07-2003, 14:00
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Originally posted by lyn
I've never been keen on Jon but last night he made me so angry. What right did he have to ruin Nush's last hour. He is a big head, arrogant and should of been thrown out the back door there and then. The poor girl was'nt interested all she wanted was to get ready and see her family. Who did he think he was, her agent.
Yeah, thats right. Youve never been keen on Jon have you? LAUGH!!! You really havent given the guy a chance and to be honest it looks like you are just making up your opions to play devils advocate to other people.
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Old 19-07-2003, 15:06
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Originally posted by ben4321
No, of course Jon wouldn't have done it for Cameron - because he doesn't like him.
Yes, so it's not a kind and selfless act. He wants to be nice to Nush, because he likes her. Nothing wrong with that, like I said.

Everybody is so defensive on the subject of Jon. What ever happened to the spirit of debate on this forum. It's either attack Jon mercilessly, or call him a god.

(This last bit not aimed at you personally Ben, just generally pissed off with any comment regarding Jon being pounced on without regard to it's content.)
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Old 19-07-2003, 16:06
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Doubt if any tabloid would give her written copy approval anyway - that's strictly for A-list celebs
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Old 19-07-2003, 16:56
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Originally posted by Capt_Canary
On what basis could Nush sue the journalist? She couldn't as his actions were not in the slightest tortuous. (ie giving rise to a civil suit) He stated a fact, nothing more, nothing less. If she wanted to sue anyone, based upon what I've seen and read, only the NOTW (the maniac screwdriver piece) would be a candidate but she'd have zero chance as she has zero money - legal aid isn't available for defamation suits. Besides she would have to establish 1) it was false or, in a few situations, true but based upon malicious intent to damage her reputation 2) that she suffered loss as a consequence of the defamation . In summary, she'd have no chance. I agree with Harmston -lousy advice Jon, stick to something you actually know something about...
Think you got the wrong end of the stick here Canary (or do you prefer Captain? ). Jon didn't say anything to Nush about what had been in the papers about her. he was talking about if she wanted to sell her story to one of the Sunday papers on leaving. He told her that he hadn't but the others had, but would not advise her either way when she asked him what he thought she should do. He then said that, if she DID take a newspaper deal (that is where the most money is to be made), to make sure she got a legal agreement for copy approval (not a verbal agreement). That way, she would have the final say on what actually got printed and there would be less chance of her being misquoted as she would be able to sue them.

He added that in any event lies would still be printed about her. Nush kept asking him if she'd been dumped, but Jon just told her that he could only tell her about his own experiences with the media while he was "outside". He also advised her to talk to her Mother first before any other friends, family or BB contestants.

There was loads more stuff, but it was all advice on who was best to talk to when she got out. Although there were quite a few sound dips, none of what he said appeared to be about what had already been printed about her in the papers, which seems to be a misconception both here and in the house.

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Old 19-07-2003, 17:07
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I think Jon was genuine in trying to prepare Nushie for the outside world.
He has been there and done it.....it will all be totally new to her, and a bit of advice/help/knowledge beforehand must be useful to her surely...?
Not that I particularly like luvly Nushiekins..............and her hysterical heeeheeeeeeeing at her interview didn't change my view of her.
But Jon was just trying to help her out.......nowt wrong with that.....
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Old 19-07-2003, 17:36
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Originally posted by Voice of Reason
Think you got the wrong end of the stick here Canary (or do you prefer Captain? ). Jon didn't say anything to Nush about what had been in the papers about her. he was talking about if she wanted to sell her story to one of the Sunday papers on leaving. He told her that he hadn't but the others had, but would not advise her either way when she asked him what he thought she should do. He then said that, if she DID take a newspaper deal (that is where the most money is to be made), to make sure she got a legal agreement for copy approval (not a verbal agreement). That way, she would have the final say on what actually got printed and there would be less chance of her being misquoted as she would be able to sue them.

He added that in any event lies would still be printed about her. Nush kept asking him if she'd been dumped, but Jon just told her that he could only tell her about his own experiences with the media while he was "outside". He also advised her to talk to her Mother first before any other friends, family or BB contestants.

There was loads more stuff, but it was all advice on who was best to talk to when she got out. Although there were quite a few sound dips, none of what he said appeared to be about what had already been printed about her in the papers, which seems to be a misconception both here and in the house.

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With all respect, I think you'll the one who has got the wrong end of the stick.

Camaj: ...Unless it was the newspaper who broadcast that message into the house

Reference to suing was my response to Harmston and Camaj and not responding to anything other than that. That on no account did that give rise to a defamation suit. But if Nush did have grounds, it would be the NOTW story but she would have to prove etc ect (my post). I never ever suggested Jon discussed this with her
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Old 19-07-2003, 17:41
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Originally posted by cleo
Yes, so it's not a kind and selfless act. He wants to be nice to Nush, because he likes her. Nothing wrong with that, like I said.

Everybody is so defensive on the subject of Jon. What ever happened to the spirit of debate on this forum. It's either attack Jon mercilessly, or call him a god.

(This last bit not aimed at you personally Ben, just generally pissed off with any comment regarding Jon being pounced on without regard to it's content.)
Sorry if I've jumped down your throat, figuratively speaking, Cleo, but I don't see why Jon would want to be kind and selfless towards Cameron after the way in which the latter has treated him.
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Old 19-07-2003, 18:57
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I think that Jon did a very noble and admirable thing for Nush. I think he is genuinely concerned for her. She may have some very bad and annoying habits, but she is a nice girl who bears no malice towards anyone.

Nush was not playing a game, in Jon's opinion, and that's why he came to like her; the friendship which they had begun in Jon's last week, was solidified in Nush's final week.

I hope they stay friends; Jon's maturity is a very positive influence on Nush. He is the kind of friend Nush would learn alot from.

Jon was warning her to be careful, to get good advice...what he said prepared her for what Davina told him about her ex-boyfriend, I think...what Jon told her psyched her up for what awaited her outside.
Well done to Jon; he has gone up in my estimation even more.

Jon should be the Winner of BB4.
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Old 19-07-2003, 19:00
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Originally posted by Relugus
I think that Jon did a very noble and admirable thing for Nush. I think he is genuinely concerned for her. She may have some very bad and annoying habits, but she is a nice girl who bears no malice towards anyone.
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Jon should be the Winner of BB4.
Bet this followed by some Jon trolling that we can only retaliate with a bit of Cam bashing

Nice words so true and I agree
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Old 19-07-2003, 19:12
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Originally posted by Capt_Canary
With all respect, I think you'll the one who has got the wrong end of the stick.

Camaj: ...Unless it was the newspaper who broadcast that message into the house

Reference to suing was my response to Harmston and Camaj and not responding to anything other than that. That on no account did that give rise to a defamation suit. But if Nush did have grounds, it would be the NOTW story but she would have to prove etc ect (my post). I never ever suggested Jon discussed this with her
My apologies CC, guess I missed that one (important) sentence in the whole thread! I agree, in no way would Nush be able to sue the papers for either printing the story or for telling her about it.

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Old 19-07-2003, 19:34
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wot had jon got to lose i think he was right to tell nush about thje press, i dont think jon cares he could leave to day hes got nouthing to prove

jon tickle the true winner off bb 2003
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Old 19-07-2003, 19:39
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My apologies CC, guess I missed that one (important) sentence in the whole thread! I agree, in no way would Nush be able to sue the papers for either printing the story or for telling her about it.

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No probs -probably my fault anyway - so used to writing in legal nonsense
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